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Brexit |OT3| I'd Rather Be Inert in a Ditch

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kradical

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Oct 25, 2017
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True, but most of the failing by the general public to understand Labour's position on Brexit has been the result of an intentional campaign by the media to distort and obfuscate their position. Labour will only win at this game by continuing to improve their campaign tactics in the run-up to the election (which so far has been fantastic imo)
Agreed, but O'Brien has been one of the media types who seemed to be deliberately misunderstanding Labour's position in the past, so I was surprised to see him say this. Obviously the right wing media isn't going to change it's tune, but hopefully more centrists will start giving Corbyn a fair shake.
 

dean_rcg

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Oct 27, 2017
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I await this weeks QT when Fiona Bruce asks the labour rep to explain their Brexit position because she doesn’t understand it...
 

Beefy

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I think even worse is this tweet...
Calling shit a gaffe is fucking trash
 

Ando

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Apr 21, 2018
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Was really surprised to see James say that considering he hates corbyn these days.
yeah genuine fair play to james for that, i’m not expecting him to go out to bat for corbyn but a fair acknowledgment from the remain establishment that their goals can only be met by a huge share of remainers voting labour is very welcome, especially as it isn’t what a lot of his listeners want to hear
 

Brotherhood93

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I await this weeks QT when Fiona Bruce asks the labour rep to explain their Brexit position because she doesn’t understand it...
I have to say it was refreshing seeing Politics Live earlier to see Jo Coburn say "It isn't confusing, we do know what the policy is" when Ed Davey was pretending to not get it. Maybe now the media have to be more impartial in their coverage due to the election other hosts and commentators will suddenly get it too.
 

pulsemyne

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Oct 30, 2017
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Today, so far, has been shockingly bad for the Tories. We had Grenfell victims belittled and instead of apologising we see members of the Tory party doing the exact opposite. We have seen a rape trial collapse because of the Welsh secretary being a twat. The russia story refusing to go away as well.
Not even May's GE campaign actually managed to smear dead people and have a rape trial collapse.
 

Arkestry

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Today, so far, has been shockingly bad for the Tories. We had Grenfell victims belittled and instead of apologising we see members of the Tory party doing the exact opposite. We have seen a rape trial collapse because of the Welsh secretary being a twat. The russia story refusing to go away as well.
Not even May's GE campaign actually managed to smear dead people and have a rape trial collapse.
Don't forget they got caught doctoring an interview with Starmer and then pretended they didn't.
 

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Remember when Emily Thornberry resigned because she tweeted a photo of a house with England flags and a white van?
 

KingSnake

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If Mogg is making a couple more appearances like this Labour doesn't even have to campaign too much.
 

Ando

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if the tories have a couple more days like today the “why is the tory campaign so bad” story becomes the story once again like after the dementia tax in 2017. every gaffe then gets magnified further as it supports the narrative
 
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Today, so far, has been shockingly bad for the Tories. We had Grenfell victims belittled and instead of apologising we see members of the Tory party doing the exact opposite. We have seen a rape trial collapse because of the Welsh secretary being a twat. The russia story refusing to go away as well.
Not even May's GE campaign actually managed to smear dead people and have a rape trial collapse.
I'm just worried that this doesn't move the needle, entrenchment and all that. But who knows, maybe some blues will have some self respect and just stay home rather than supporting this shit show of a government.

if the tories have a couple more days like today the “why is the tory campaign so bad” story becomes the story once again like after the dementia tax in 2017. every gaffe then gets magnified further as it supports the narrative
Crossing my fingers. Interviewers better hammer home that Boris' deal is a walk back on his own word and watch the fucker squirm.
 

Ravensmash

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Oct 25, 2017
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If Mogg is making a couple more appearances like this Labour doesn't even have to campaign too much.
“He just says it like it is, he does. That Jacob Rees bloke is really in touch with the average man - not like that Corbyn bloke who’s going to nationalise everyone’s dogs”

Probably a real quote somewhere
 

Ando

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Apr 21, 2018
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the centrist party becoming the biggest exponents of fake news is a good plot twist
 

solidussnaku

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Nov 29, 2017
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👀👀

That's a lot of people, I think we now have to factor momentum into how the election can swing in labors favour. This isn't just a group of people in a few locations, its fucking gigantic swarms of people up and down the country on a daily basis.

Everything, everything points to a movement much bigger then even 2017. There are tweets that show a good 2-3x times people helping campaign for labour.


So,so, so many young people too.
 
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Masquerader

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Nov 4, 2017
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Ugh, I sincerely hope that Labour wins, like nothing else. The UK is running out of chances. We are gonna experience a catastrophe after a decade of gradual shittiness if the Tories win again.

It's honestly life or death. I'm scared as hell but also excited. What pains me is that Tory supporters and diehards will be fine and content either way, whereas it's the whole world to the rest of us if Labour doesn't succeed.
 

Garfield

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Ugh, I sincerely hope that Labour wins, like nothing else. The UK is running out of chances. We are gonna experience a catastrophe after a decade of gradual shittiness if the Tories win again.

It's honestly life or death. I'm scared as hell but also excited. What pains me is that Tory supporters and diehards will be fine and content either way, whereas it's the whole world to the rest of us if Labour doesn't succeed.
one of my colleagues said the other day, and I thought whilst mis-guided he had a fair point

if Labour get in and bring in their policies, when the Tories get back in we are going to get austerity that will make the last 10 years look like child’s play
 

nature boy

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Oct 25, 2017
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wow lib dems losing the plot and sinking fast.

If the election is fought on issues other than Brexit than I would think it looks good for Labour (i.e., Tories far from a majority). Flu season is gonna hammer the Tories as well.

Then comes the issue of whether or not Labour + SNP can form a government.
 

kradical

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one of my colleagues said the other day, and I thought whilst mis-guided he had a fair point

if Labour get in and bring in their policies, when the Tories get back in we are going to get austerity that will make the last 10 years look like child’s play
Misguided but a fair point.
Okay mate.
 
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With Parliament dissolving in two hours time, the UK General Election OT is ready to go. Title suggestions will be appreciated. :D
 

Masquerader

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one of my colleagues said the other day, and I thought whilst mis-guided he had a fair point

if Labour get in and bring in their policies, when the Tories get back in we are going to get austerity that will make the last 10 years look like child’s play
'Austerity' is too generous a term. Unjust Suffering is more like it. Austerity implies an end goal of improving an aspect of society in the long run.
 

Brotherhood93

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With Parliament dissolving in two hours time, the UK General Election OT is ready to go. Title suggestions will be appreciated. :D
Can't remember who suggested them but I liked those along the lines of "Dreaming of a Red Christmas" or "The Hunt for Red December". Ditch Boris is also good.

I'd be also happy to see a play on the Lib Dems "...can't win here" charts but can't think of anything myself. Or these:
OT | Tactical Espionage Voting Action
UK General Election OT - Here we... Here we... Here we fucking go!!!
 

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one of my colleagues said the other day, and I thought whilst mis-guided he had a fair point

if Labour get in and bring in their policies, when the Tories get back in we are going to get austerity that will make the last 10 years look like child’s play
Why would you think this is a "fair point"? Or is this just more of your trademark Labour concern trolling?
 

Ando

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one of my colleagues said the other day, and I thought whilst mis-guided he had a fair point

if Labour get in and bring in their policies, when the Tories get back in we are going to get austerity that will make the last 10 years look like child’s play
why would that be the case. austerity was so effective at undoing the redistributive agenda of the last labour government because it was a message that seized on the horrible conditions of the biggest global economic crash since the great depression and losses to jobs and GDP unprecedented to every uk voter

before the crash you had george osborne promising to match gordon brown’s spending commitments

in normal economic and political conditions post a successful labour government it could just as easily work like churchill and macmillan largely maintaining atlee’s reforms in the 1950s. a lot of them will be very popular once you get beyond the tory-lib dem scaremongering about corbyn nationalising your mum and they start to impact people’s lives.
 
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Semfry

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Oct 25, 2017
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one of my colleagues said the other day, and I thought whilst mis-guided he had a fair point

if Labour get in and bring in their policies, when the Tories get back in we are going to get austerity that will make the last 10 years look like child’s play
1. If Tories get in again there won't be a country for them to get back into in the future.
2. When the fuck did Tories need a reason to destroy the poor.
 

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Also one of the fundamental issues with the last Labour government was not doing enough to ensure that a Tory government couldn't come in and fuck things up. Inequality grew massively under new Labour.
 

Hazzuh

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Oct 28, 2017
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I was skeptical at first but this really is looking like it could be a rerun of 2017 for the Tories lol
 
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