holy fuck, what the hell.
Lock up the kids and the fucking parents.
Why the parents?
holy fuck, what the hell.
Lock up the kids and the fucking parents.
Black folks who raised shitty-ass kids like that are obviously a danger to society too. Can't take any chances with us. /s
I don't believe the incident is janky (although there's nothing in the Buzzfeed article beyond a straight recounting of events).
I do believe the black kids are utterly fucked though, because we know how the system works.
Sadly, the kids are likely to become statistics.I don't believe the incident is janky (although there's nothing in the Buzzfeed article beyond a straight recounting of events).
I do believe the black kids are utterly fucked though, because we know how the system works.
The anger towards these kids isn't because they're black, it's because they senselessly killed another human being. Their race has no bearing on the conversation.Black folks who raised shitty-ass kids like that are obviously a danger to society too. Can't take any chances with us. /s
"some kind of punishment" ??Personally i'm just against the idea of trying kids as adults! Plenty of people find it normal, i just don't
Of course they did something incredibly wrong and deserves some kind of punishement and rehabilitation (especially the younger ones), but they're freaking kids, trying them as adults is just plain wrong to me
In none of the threads about white terrorists and serial killers we've had on here have I personally seen anyone go after their parents as deserving of jail time too. They seem to get the privilege of being lone wolves and standing only for themselves. I could be completely wrong, though; I haven't read every post on here.The anger towards these kids isn't because they're black, it's because they senselessly killed another human being. Their race has no bearing on the conversation.
The anger towards these kids isn't because they're black, it's because they senselessly killed another human being. Their race has no bearing on the conversation.
"some kind of punishment" ??
dude if they murdered him who cares what age they are. they're monsters.
that'd be fine if we were talking about stealing snacks from the store. but we're talking about murder.you're fine calling 12-13 y/o monsters, young impressionable kids that have probably been heavily influenced by older ones? Fine suit yourself, humanity is way more complexe than that though, it's not just good and evil
What the hell kind of logic is that? Children don't cease to be children just because they've committed a horrible crime.that'd be fine if we were talking about stealing snacks from the store. but we're talking about murder.
In none of the threads about white terrorists and serial killers we've had on here have I personally seen anyone go after their parents as deserving of jail time too. They seem to get the privilege of being lone wolves and standing only for themselves. I could be completely wrong, though; I haven't read every post on here.
Because multiple people have expressed displeasure at the fact that these minors are being charged as minors.Doesn't the article mention they're being tried as minors? If so, why are we arguing about them being charged as adults?
No, their brains naturally matured before the murder, at least to the level of being able to understand the ramifications of murderWhy do they deserve to be tried as adults? Did their brains magically mature after committing the crime?
Yeah because it's the only angle I care about, Why should I care about these kids? Why should I show them empathy? Especially the shooter.Your argument possesses no nuance...so i can see how you'd miss the human element of the story. Your only angle is the punishment.
For some reason I highly doubt that.well if the white terrorists and serial killers were 12 parental responsibility would probably pop up
Turns out we know a lot more about brain development now than we did 20 years ago. Are you advocating we ignore scientific research?This is unfortunately not the way a lot of things work anymore. My mom is a high school teacher and not even allowed to fail kids for cheating anymore. The guidelines for her school say the kids might not know what they were doing is wrong.
Boom. There it is. Well said.It's really really fucking strange that you seem angrier at the release of their mugshots and the reaction from Trump supporters than you are at the fact that they murdered a man.
Turns out we know a lot more about brain development now than we did 20 years ago. Are you advocating we ignore scientific research?
Do you want to actually engage in a real discussion or do you just want to be a pedantic asshole? No, kids don't 'need' to cheat. No one claimed they did.
Yeah because it's the only angle I care about, Why should I care about these kids? Why should I show them empathy? Especially the shooter.
Do you want to actually engage in a real discussion or do you just want to be a pedantic asshole? No, kids don't 'need' to cheat. No one claimed they did.
You'll see all kinds of stupid shit when kids are involved. But still, fuck these kids. They knew what they were doing was awful.Wait, am I missing something? Why do I feel like people are defending these kids who shot and killed a man and stole his car?
They killed a man. They knew what they were doing. Agree 100%.
It has to do with the guidelines for discipline you were complaining about. Yes, it turns out that teenagers may not have a clear idea of the consequences and ramifications of, say, cheating on a test, due to their brains not being fully developed. Thus the approach to discipline and teaching has changed along with the knowledge we have about the brain development of children.I honestly don't get what you are trying to say. What does brain development have to do with kids cheating in school.
It has to do with the guidelines for discipline you were complaining about. Yes, it turns out that teenagers may not have a clear idea of the consequences and ramifications of, say, cheating on a test, due to their brains not being fully developed. Thus the approach to discipline and teaching has changed along with the knowledge we have about the brain development of children.
well if the white terrorists and serial killers were 12 parental responsibility would probably pop up
Your post is the literal embodiment of what's wrong with the American justice system and why your incarceration rate is as fucked up compared to other first world countries.and I think you are crazy thinking these "kids" deserve any kind of second chance. Once you get to high school you know what is right and wrong
There is a wide gulf between 'automatic failure' and 'letting it slide'. Yes, they should be taught that cheating is wrong. The methods of doing that should be updated as society has more knowledge on how to handle disciplining children in the most effective manner. Used to be that children would get paddled for that behavior, but we learned that such punishments just cause harm and don't solve anything.But would you say that the children should be taught what they are doing is wrong? Or teachers let it slide?
Well, I do agree that punishing the parents is extremeIn none of the threads about white terrorists and serial killers we've had on here have I personally seen anyone go after their parents as deserving of jail time too. They seem to get the privilege of being lone wolves and standing only for themselves. I could be completely wrong, though; I haven't read every post on here.
There are situations where punishing the parents is fine.
There is a wide gulf between 'automatic failure' and 'letting it slide'. Yes, they should be taught that cheating is wrong. The methods of doing that should be updated as society has more knowledge on how to handle disciplining children in the most effective manner. Used to be that children would get paddled for that behavior, but we learned that such punishments just cause harm and don't solve anything.
Just like there is a wide gulf between 'charge minors as adults' and 'minors face no consequences for murder'. There should be consequences and rehabilitation, but it should differ from the methods used for adults...because they are not adults.
Boom. There it is. Well said.
Fucking strange, but expected reactions here.
In none of the threads about white terrorists and serial killers we've had on here have I personally seen anyone go after their parents as deserving of jail time too. They seem to get the privilege of being lone wolves and standing only for themselves. I could be completely wrong, though; I haven't read every post on here.
Sounds unbelievable to me, I'm going to wait for the full story before being outraged
Like, I get what you're doing, but a dude is dead so this ain't the one.I agree; something doesn't feel right. Best we wait before judging.
Like, I get what you're doing, but a dude is dead so this ain't the one.
The kids are also in custody. They're going to be handled by the system as the system seems fit regardless of whether or not there are judicial shenanigans afoot; nothing anyone says here is going to change that.Like, I get what you're doing, but a dude is dead so this ain't the one.
Parents of white children who murder are often taken to court (civil).Yeah, I certainly don't remember calls to punish the parents of the white supremacists in Charlottesville.