Idk what his plan is. Both could be scum and this is a tactic to distance themselves.
He was on the verge of revealing that earlier too.I honestly don't see the reason in coming forward with the commuter claim at all.
Mind directing me to that post?
I honestly don't see the reason in coming forward with the commuter claim at all.
I don't like him responding to you how his commuting ability be forced though. Gives too much info.
You don't even remember? That's why I was asking you specifically. Weird.
That doesn't matter. He just knows he was blocked. This seems pike Pr fishing.
Fine it's literally going to make no difference because nobody will believe me anyway but I'm Amelie the Hider. I can hide behind people at night and avoid being NK, unless I hide behind scum or somebody targeted for the NK.
I've never seen an hider like that. Kinda defeats it's purpose, especially if you're not breadcrumbing who you targeted or baiting a NK or something. Targetting Fantomas D1 is a really bad choice too.When I hide behind scum I'm still vulnerable to potentially be killed. The logic I'm sure being, I'm trying to hide behind my would be killers, they're just going to turn around and kill me
Huh? There's an absurd amount of highsight in this with a touch of gaslight in it. I was pretty sure on Monkey's red check and vouched for her lynch BEFORE the several other posts that followed that changed this completely. I made my view on the matter pretty clear, so the fact that you're skipping more than half of the phase discussion on this is pretty bad.Fando D2 was mostly him being unsure about everything. He wasn't sure about the red check (and said that we should lunch Monkey if Maol flips town). Then he was unsure about the claim but never questioned it. And ended with a forced town read on Maol at the end, something that scum always knew.
Why did you soft this earlier and claimed immediately after Meat did like this if you didn't even know if others would get notified if they targeted you. Further, full claiming your limitation just made you a completely useless town PR.I have already gave all of my info so, yes.
I had practically soft claimed earlier in the day.
I just didn't realized that lol. I was doing something else, updated the thread while some process was running, saw the question and just answer. Didn't realized that I could have been a x-shot commuter at the moment.
My thoughts too. Looking at the claim, why didn't he ask nat when he asked gorlak? Gor could lie either way.Why did you soft this earlier and claimed immediately after Meat did like this if you didn't even know if others would get notified if they targeted you. Further, full claiming your limitation just made you a completely useless town PR.
I'm just lost on this claim.
Why did you soft this earlier and claimed immediately after Meat did like this if you didn't even know if others would get notified if they targeted you. Further, full claiming your limitation just made you a completely useless town PR.
I'm just lost on this claim.
Because that would just better help scum know who they should be either role blocking or killing. I'm not going to provide them that advantage
I like to think there's still a chance I won't be lynched, without having to reveal
You didn't want to claim because it would give scum info but then you do it anyway and say "it won't make a difference because no one will believe you". Claiming a "weak hider" gives zero advantage to scum, so it really reads like you didn't know what you would claim, to be honest.Fine it's literally going to make no difference because nobody will believe me anyway but I'm Amelie the Hider. I can hide behind people at night and avoid being NK, unless I hide behind scum or somebody targeted for the NK.
1. If he was blocked, how would he be able to target you?1. I soft claimed when Gorlak said that he was roleblocked. That's when I asked him if he targeted me. Maybe his action failed because he targeted me and we would be chasing a roleblocker or a delay roleblock when there was never one.
2. And Meatwad said that he targeted me during a night that he couldn't. I wanted to knew what others thought of it. I wasn't expecting an answer from Natiko (and the answer that I got is very broad, I just posted what I deducted from it).
2. No one could answer that but nat, which I already knew would be a non answer. Anyone else answering would out that they are a PR.
I think Maol is the only one considering that Monkey wouldn't be lynched if he flipped town due to meta and her "safety nets", but I strongly disagree. I think even another red check from another player wouldn't be enough to delay her lynch if that happened.
1. If he did target you, what does it matter?1. Because maybe he wasn't blocked and his action failed just because he targeted me.
2. So I can have some other points of view about the matter. I didn't asked for claims, I asked for opinions of what would happen if Meatwad targeted me while I was commuting. I don't understand where you get that I would out a PR.
1. If he did target you, what does it matter?
To you it doesn't matter at all. In fact it's better he thinks he got rb'd than to know you are a commuter. Gorlak could be scum.
2. Cause only nat can give a concrete answer. Anyone else speculating on it outs themselves.
Yep, I agree, and I think it looks like deflection from Meatwad. I don't think scum does avoid the Maol lynch. Maybe one to maintain spread, maybe 50/50 if four, but there's scum on that vote, too. So potential scum saying "no, scum would never vote there, don't look at me, jazzhands, nothing to see here" looks like misdirection. It's sure not analysisThis is sommit I kinda side-eyed from Meatwad. Sure there was plenty of justifiable reasons for any one person to vote Maol, but that doesn't make it any more or less likely that Scum votes for them.
While I don't think Scum would want to make their votes obvious, there's easily a reason a Scum might want to hide amount a crown for a justifiable lynch, even if they know Maol flips Town. It's an easy vote for Scum and Town to justify, while keeping any given train on that Town rolling along.
It looks like there'a Fran claim I need to catch up to so I'm behind, but I wanted to get these posts quick from right around when I went to bed. Fran's lack of engagement does stick out. I don't just mean lower activity - sometimes folks have stuff going on. But for Fran to get this far into the game without really sinking his teeth into something is very unusual. He hasn't seemed particularly ruffled or stubborn about anything. It's not even a matter of anything looking fake or forced or anything - there's just no real deep engagement. So while he's questioning things and relatively involved in the thread, there's a certain something that seems to be missing.
1. So what if we wasted time on a possible rb? You coming out as commuter to save town from theorizing that a rb may be in play makes no sense. Especially since there could be a commuter and a rb in the game.1. Because if his action failed because he targeted me we could waste a bunch of time and go for crazy theories just looking for the roleblocker that not actually exist. And Gorlak has been my top town for a while.
2. How they out themselves when they are just talking about Meatwad and my role? Malus answered and he didn't claimed. He didn't outed himself.
Gorlak, come on, man. Don't do this shit. Ketkat had 14 posts. Never did I come close to indicating you shouldn't look. I said Ket didn't have a chance to do much. By all means, go back and look. Look at her posts, look at how she said she was in a bad mood and not really into playing. But look also at the fact that several people had filed her as town already d1 - she was a protect in a couple protect/investigate/kills (I remember, I was one) and someone even said (Fandorin?) that she'd be a good night kill target.Monkey doesn't want me to look, but maybe there is sth in your posts.
Where did he try to contradict "others"? Only with meat. And he really didn't contradict meat with the claim.Why would fake-commuter Fran try to come forward with his theory at two different points to contradict others?
Oh, I just got to this. I guess yay at least that I'm reading the activity correctly? I understand the desire to play even if you can't give it your all. And regardless, despite everyone riding my ass for "defending" you, I don't think it's votable in the current game state. Feels like you're doing a hell of a lot more than some, so.I'm going to be 100% honest. I have very disinterested in the game. I have seen the posts but every time that I sit down to read them and reply I just don't care much. I just saw that big post from Fat4all and all the post after it and reading throught all of it was a drag and I wasn't even going to answer. Maybe it's because I had a lot of trouble trying to understand the game or because my reads so far were shit, I don't know. I just know that I'm not putting the usual work that I do. I know that I should ask for a replacement instead of taking a spot, and I was very close to doing it, but I won't be able to play much the rest of the season as I reviewed one of the following games and I'm running one too.
So what if we wasted time on a possible rb? You coming out as commuter to save town from theorizing that a rb may be in play makes no sense. Especially since there could be a commuter and a rb in the game.
You townreading got doesn't mean anything. As you stated yourself, your reads have been off this whole game.
Mal didn't answer anything. He said meat could tell us. Which obviously meat didn't get some sort of notification because he would've mentioned it already. The discussion you wanted would've just lead to noise.
We'll see but I don't trust Gorlak's line of questioning here. People who try to force claims typically have agendas and not good ones
Fine it's literally going to make no difference because nobody will believe me anyway but I'm Amelie the Hider. I can hide behind people at night and avoid being NK, unless I hide behind scum or somebody targeted for the NK.
Night 1 Fantomas
Night 2 Fran
I should clarify that it's not a scum detecting role, because hiding behind scum only means I'm still vulnerable to being NK by scum.
The "I can hide behind scum" coming after "I avoid being NK unless I hide behind scum" is inconsistent internally AND with general hider roles but I'll guess that's already been resolved.Ok. I'm a commuter and I wasn't targeteable yesterday.
Could he hide behind me if I was commuting? Wouldn't he receive a notification that his action failed?
I said that when Monkey claimed a red check on Maol. She came back on that and also on her read on Maol - she didn't vote for him and neither did him despite the initial day start. I've made several other posts on D2 about this, including the read list you're referring.Fando you said that Monkey should be lunched if Maol flips town. But then you made a read list where both Monkey and Maol are town. Why?
And what do you think about Fat4all today? Both of you said that Monkey should be lunched if Maol flipped town. Now you aren't pushing for Monkey but Fat4all still is.
Softing his fake claim for later since it would've been impossible to confirm either way.Why would fake-commuter Fran try to come forward with his theory at two different points to contradict others?
Yes!. To protect your role, a 1000x yes. And again, a rb could still exist with your role. And look at ppl who had a lot to say about a rb theory speculation but not offering much else game wise. Scum would use it for busywork. Just like scum may have used the talk of arsonists as busywork.So are you saying that it was OK if I said nothing when town was on a witch hunt for a roleblocker that maybe didn't existed?
Nope, leading to str8 noise is what it would've done. You can't even name what you wanted out of the discussion yourself.It could have lead to noise or it could have lead to, maybe, something. You know what it would not have lead us to? More claims as you said it would.
How is it impossible to confirm a supposed commuter?Softing his fake claim for later since it would've been impossible to confirm either way.
Since this is a loose thread, did you target Fran the night he commuted?
Yes!. To protect your role, a 1000x yes. And again, a rb could still exist with your role. And look at ppl who had a lot to say about a rb theory speculation but not offering much else game wise. Scum would use it for busywork. Just like scum may have used the talk of arsonists as busywork.
Fran why are you so sure you and a rb can't be in the same game? 🤔
Since this is a loose thread, did you target Fran the night he commuted?
So you claimed and hinted your role for nothing then? 🤔
Why don't you think commuter is a powerful role, especially in a game this small?
Why don't you think commuter is a powerful role, especially in a game this small?
He said he was blocked n2.He answered after I asked. You should just read the thread. Gorlak even reposted the conversation in this same page.
How is possibly stopping a nk or wasting scum actions not a powerful role?Because it isn't. Even less when I can't choose what night to commute.
Which is funny because I told Natiko that it was really dissapointing that I got a boring role like a commuter when I expected half the roster to have some crazy roles.
Wouldn't it prove Meatwad was lying about his role? Both because Fran is untargetable and because both are very unlikely to exist in the same game. Obviously a scumFran would work the other way with Meatwad but I think Meatwad is way more likely to be scum here.