Who's Going to Win South Carolina?

  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 585 39.2%
  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 853 57.2%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    Votes: 24 1.6%
  • Pete Buttigieg

    Votes: 7 0.5%
  • THE KLOBBERER

    Votes: 16 1.1%
  • Tom Steyer

    Votes: 6 0.4%

  • Total voters
    1,491
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This one is pretty good.


Nobody cares or should care about decorum. Attacks on Trump based on his crassness will be useless, just as they were useless in 2016. That's his platform. And Bloomberg would give us decorum - heck, any candidate would give us that to some extent -, but he would still be complete shite, like Bush. He's a Republican in Democrat's clothing, who buys his way into everything, and who is a massive racist and sexist. He's not that different from a Trump once you scratch past the decorum.

Bloomberg's awful. Bloomberg's shit. We don't need to compliment him on his one supposedly good ad. We shouldn't give him a fraction of an inch. He deserves nothing but our scorn.
 

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Another noteworthy thing is this poll is that every major Dem candidate is clobbering Trump:
  • Bloomberg tops Trump 51 - 42 percent;
  • Sanders defeats Trump 51 - 43 percent;
  • Biden beats Trump 50 - 43 percent;
  • Klobuchar defeats Trump 49 - 43 percent;
  • Warren wins narrowly over Trump 48 - 44 percent;
  • Buttigieg is also slightly ahead of Trump 47 - 43 percent.
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That can't be right when this was just posted.

maybe Bloomberg's absolute ineptness if the last push people need to be convinced that Bernie is the only one who can save you from another term of Trump lol.
 

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Nobody cares or should care about decorum. Attacks on Trump based on his crassness will be useless, just as they were useless in 2016. That's his platform. And Bloomberg would give us decorum - heck, any candidate would give us that to some extent -, but he would still be complete shite, like Bush. He's a Republican in Democrat's clothing, who buys in way into everything, and who is a massive racist and sexist. He's not that different from a Trump once you scratch past the decorum.

Bloomberg's awful. Bloomberg's shit. We don't need to compliment him on his one supposedly good ad. We shouldn't give him a fraction of an inch. He deserves nothing but our scorn.
Did I ever say I want him to win? As long as he spends money on attack ads against Trump, I don't really care because I don't see him winning the nomination.
 

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If you want to see Bernie-Or-Busters actually have an impact on the general election, give Bloomberg the nom and see how many stay home. As was said earlier, I know a lot of Bernie supporters who consider Bloomberg their measure for a crossed line.
 

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Did I ever say I want him to win? As long as he spends money on attack ads against Trump, I don't really care because I don't see him winning the nomination.

I never said you did. I know I'm being intense, but I just can't bear even complimenting him on something as inconsequential as an anti-Trump ad on his Twitter. He's just too despicable.

[EDIT] And it's compounded by the fact that I'm even tired of mocking Trump. Mocking Trump, pointing out his rudeness, calling him Cheeto-in-chief (not saying you did, speaking generally) is completely counterproductive, to the point that it just makes me cringe nowadays. No candidate will win against Trump if that's the basis of their attacks against him.
 

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Bernie's running a general campaign that would highlight the short comings of our healthcare system is something that some people would rather not be seen in the spotlight. That's what a lot of it comes down to.
 

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Bernie's running a general campaign that would highlight the short comings of our healthcare system is something that some people would rather not be seen in the spotlight. That's what a lot of it comes down to.


I don't think most people are that defensive about our system aside from being afraid of ending up with something worse. Opposition to Sanders is a lot more shallow in most cases I think.
 

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We need to get Bloomberg on a debate stage with the rest of the candidates. Warren and Sanders will go to work on him with some pliers and a blowtorch.
 

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We need to get Bloomberg on a debate stage with the rest of the candidates. Warren and Sanders will go to work on him with some pliers and a blowtorch.
Shit let Amy and Biden do to Bloomberg (Who's eating their lunch) what they did to Pete.

Maybe pete can get a few nibbles in as well.
 

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We need to get Bloomberg on a debate stage with the rest of the candidates. Warren and Sanders will go to work on him with some pliers and a blowtorch.

Shit let Amy and Biden do to Bloomberg (Who's eating their lunch) what they did to Pete.

Maybe pete can get a few nibbles in as well.

Wasn't it just like a week ago that people were criticizing the DNC for considering to change the rules which would allow Mike Bloomberg on a debate stage?
 

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Do you foresee a split in the future where older black voters go with Bloomie but younger black voters go with Bernie?
I can see that playing out but I hope Bernie is able to build strong inroads with entrenched black institutions (like the black church for example) that may represent a black primary voter in say South Carolina.
 

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I dont see how Bloomz helps change the outcome from 2016. Unless a lot about 2016 was due to apathetic voters who thought Trump would never win, Bloomberg doesn't seen like a candidate that will get people out.
 

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Bloomberg vs. Trump is a guaranteed Trump win. Republicans will vote no matter what and I can only imagine there will be tons of democrats staying home on election day. Can you blame them? You're basically voting for oligarchy at that point
 

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More on the QU Poll:

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Poll Results | Quinnipiac University Poll

Quinnipiac University Poll’s list of recent and past poll results for political races, state and national elections, and issues of public concern.

Dems v. Trump:
  • Bloomberg tops Trump 51 - 42 percent;
  • Sanders defeats Trump 51 - 43 percent;
  • Biden beats Trump 50 - 43 percent;
  • Klobuchar defeats Trump 49 - 43 percent;
  • Warren wins narrowly over Trump 48 - 44 percent;
  • Buttigieg is also slightly ahead of Trump 47 - 43 percent.
Positive / Negative Favorability:
  • Warren gets a negative 39 - 47 percent favorability rating;
  • Biden gets a negative 43 - 50 percent;
  • Bloomberg gets a negative 34 - 40 percent, with 25 percent who haven't heard enough about him;
  • Sanders gets a negative 44 - 49 percent;
  • Buttigieg gets a positive 36 - 32 percent, and 31 percent haven't heard enough about him;
  • Klobuchar gets a positive 32 - 22 percent, with 44 percent who haven't heard enough about her.
(Trump negative 42 - 53)

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This shouldn't surprise anyone, but Buttigieg polls abysmally with Black voters.
 

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Wasn't it just like a week ago that people were criticizing the DNC for considering to change the rules which would allow Mike Bloomberg on a debate stage?
Yes and several people saw the duality of the situation. Bloomberg was not publicly taking donations as a way to avoid going to the debates but at the same time changing the rules to feature another old white man (Much less a billionaire republican) is also a bad look.

I was, and still am, of the opinion that inviting Bloomberg onto the debate stage was the better of the two options (Unless he manages to get the moderate votes which well idk. He's definitely getting the 'I don't like any candidate so the guy on tv gets my vote' vote.).

The 358 averages still look bad for him and considering Super Tuesday is 3 weeks away and he's still performing pretty low relative to the rest of the pool means chances are he'll be delegate irrelevant unless the dems decide to subvert direct democracy in a contested contest.
 

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More on the QU Poll:

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Poll Results | Quinnipiac University Poll

Quinnipiac University Poll’s list of recent and past poll results for political races, state and national elections, and issues of public concern.

Dems v. Trump:
  • Bloomberg tops Trump 51 - 42 percent;
  • Sanders defeats Trump 51 - 43 percent;
  • Biden beats Trump 50 - 43 percent;
  • Klobuchar defeats Trump 49 - 43 percent;
  • Warren wins narrowly over Trump 48 - 44 percent;
  • Buttigieg is also slightly ahead of Trump 47 - 43 percent.
Positive / Negative Favorability:
  • Warren gets a negative 39 - 47 percent favorability rating;
  • Biden gets a negative 43 - 50 percent;
  • Bloomberg gets a negative 34 - 40 percent, with 25 percent who haven't heard enough about him;
  • Sanders gets a negative 44 - 49 percent;
  • Buttigieg gets a positive 36 - 32 percent, and 31 percent haven't heard enough about him;
  • Klobuchar gets a positive 32 - 22 percent, with 44 percent who haven't heard enough about her.
(Trump negative 42 - 53)

This shouldn't surprise anyone, but Buttigieg polls abysmally with Black voters.

That's the important part. Bloomberg has tons of baggage. He won't rise further once he gets out there on the debate stage
 

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More on the QU Poll:

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Poll Results | Quinnipiac University Poll

Quinnipiac University Poll’s list of recent and past poll results for political races, state and national elections, and issues of public concern.

Dems v. Trump:
  • Bloomberg tops Trump 51 - 42 percent;
  • Sanders defeats Trump 51 - 43 percent;
  • Biden beats Trump 50 - 43 percent;
  • Klobuchar defeats Trump 49 - 43 percent;
  • Warren wins narrowly over Trump 48 - 44 percent;
  • Buttigieg is also slightly ahead of Trump 47 - 43 percent.
Positive / Negative Favorability:
  • Warren gets a negative 39 - 47 percent favorability rating;
  • Biden gets a negative 43 - 50 percent;
  • Bloomberg gets a negative 34 - 40 percent, with 25 percent who haven't heard enough about him;
  • Sanders gets a negative 44 - 49 percent;
  • Buttigieg gets a positive 36 - 32 percent, and 31 percent haven't heard enough about him;
  • Klobuchar gets a positive 32 - 22 percent, with 44 percent who haven't heard enough about her.
(Trump negative 42 - 53)

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This shouldn't surprise anyone, but Buttigieg polls abysmally with Black voters.

Are there any polls that shows how each candidate would do against Trump deligates wise? Wining the popular vote is not that important if your voters are not in the right states.
 

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Bloomberg's sexist remarks fostered company culture that degraded women, lawsuits allege

Mike Bloomberg has on repeated occasions faced and fought allegations that he directed crude and sexist comments to women in his office.
Holy SHIT.. never heard about any of this until now (story is from Dec. 15 of last year)

Fuck this scumbag.
Mike Bloomberg has on repeated occasions faced and fought allegations that he directed crude and sexist comments to women in his office, including a claim in the 1990s that he told an employee who had just announced she was pregnant to "kill it."

"He told me to 'kill it' in a serious monotone voice," the woman alleged in a lawsuit. "I asked 'What? What did you just say?' He looked at me and repeated in a deliberate manner 'kill it.'"

Josephs recalled that Sakai "said she felt very distressed" by Bloomberg's reaction and it "really upset her emotionally." Bloomberg's alleged remark, Josephs said, reflected a "locker room atmosphere that was a sexually harassing atmosphere."
"I'd like to do that piece of meat," and "I would DO you in a second."
If women wanted to be appreciated for their brains, they'd go to the library instead of to Bloomingdales
I know for a fact that any self-respecting woman who walks past a construction site doesn't get a whistle will turn around and walk past again and again until she does get one
Court records reviewed by ABC News indicate that at least 17 women have taken legal action against the company over the past three decades, with three of the cases specifically naming Bloomberg for his role in the company's culture. None of the cases made it to trial – four were either dismissed or withdrawn, while five were settled out of court. Three cases remain active.
In one case, he is alleged to have told a female employee, regarding her boyfriend, to, "Keep him happy with a good [oral sex]."
"Bloomberg would gawk at women and say about their legs, 'I like that,'" according to an unnamed former Bloomberg employee quoted in court records from 1995. "He defended his attitude by saying it keeps him young."
The lawsuit alleged that the company engaged in a pattern of discrimination against women after they became pregnant and after they took maternity leave. Sixty-seven women were prepared to join the case. The time period of the misconduct alleged in the lawsuit was between 2002 and 2007 while Bloomberg was mayor of New York City and not involved in the day-to-day operations of the company, although he remained the majority owner of it. A court dismissed the case in 2011.
One way for the public to learn more about "what actually happened" at Bloomberg LP, Josephs said, would be for the firm to release women who complained about the work environment from strict nondisclosure agreements.

A company spokesman told ABC News that the company rarely settles disputes, preferring to take them to court.

When cases are settled, they generally include confidentiality provisions, so the extent of the alleged misconduct is not known, Josephs said.

Sakai, whose 1997 lawsuit accused Bloomberg of discouraging women from having children, settled her case against both Bloomberg and the company out of court for an undisclosed amount of money in exchange for her signing a nondisclosure agreement. Reached by ABC News, a lawyer for Sakai said she may be willing to share her story if the nondisclosure agreement were to be voided by the campaign.


ABC News has spoken with several women who expressed interest in telling their stories, but feared the prospect of facing retribution from the company for speaking out.


One former employee who worked at the company from 2003-2005, and spoke to ABC News on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution, made similar allegations to those outlined in lawsuits over the years. The woman claims that a series of events, including a pregnancy, led her superiors to "sideline" her.

"Going to work was uncomfortable, everything was awful at that time," the woman said. "It was the worst thing that has ever happened to me."

When she left Bloomberg LP, she said the company asked her to sign a nondisclosure agreement in exchange for cash, but she declined.

"Everybody I knew was taking them," she said, referring to the confidentiality agreements.

ABC News asked Bloomberg through his campaign if he has considered releasing these women from their nondisclosure agreements. The Bloomberg campaign declined to comment.
 

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Wasn't it just like a week ago that people were criticizing the DNC for considering to change the rules which would allow Mike Bloomberg on a debate stage?

That was always the silliest take. Bloomberg is essentially a virtual candidate with unlimited funds, what every other candidate needs is an opportunity to directly him and more importantly define him. The best thing the DNC could do for the contest is to make Bloomberg actually get into the fight rather than just float above it constantly lobbing his ad bombs into the fray. I'm not sure Bloomberg's virtual campaign is going to work by itself but to be honest I thought he'd have already flatlined and with Biden faltering it seems like there's a lot of potential gains there unless the other candidates start chipping at him.
 

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Is that Quinnipiac poll really that bad? Trump's voter base, like his approval rating, is notoriously inelastic.
 

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abcnews.go.com

Bloomberg's sexist remarks fostered company culture that degraded women, lawsuits allege

Mike Bloomberg has on repeated occasions faced and fought allegations that he directed crude and sexist comments to women in his office.
Holy SHIT.. never heard about any of this until now (story is from Dec. 15 of last year)

Fuck this scumbag.

This isn't surprising at all coming from Bloomberg. He is a real piece of shit. For example, this thread:





These clips alone should end his campaign, but alas.
 

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Shame the other campaigns went for the cheap "billionaires can't buy the stage" digs instead of understanding that putting him on the debate state means it's not just him shaping his image.
 

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If Bloomberg wins the nomination and the presidency, it effectively means he bought the election.

There's zero reason he'll feel pressured to do anything he promised or nominate good judges.
 

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"I can't talk about the allegations of sexual harassment at my company because the women are under NDAs" will go down an absolute treat on a debate stage
 

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Warren should go for the jugular and nail Bloomberg to the wall for his decades of misogyny and workplace abuse. It would be glorious
 

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If Bloomberg wins the nomination and the presidency, it effectively means he bought the election.

There's zero reason he'll feel pressured to do anything he promised or nominate good judges.

The precedent Bloomberg would set would be horrifying. Elections would come down to which billionaire outspends the other.

You are literally voting for two Republicans in that scenario.
 

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I try to be pretty even-handed in this topic and have spoken about most of the candidates uncritically but let me say unequivocally and unambiguously that I think Michael Bloomberg is a creeping, seeping, seething cretin. His mere presence in this race is a corruption of the process so insidious that it makes my stomach flip to even see his name, let alone come to terms with his modicum of success.

I camp out in this thread every day and prefer to retain a somewhat neutral attitude towards the state of the race but this guy can't get dragged back to Hell soon enough.
 

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Nominating Bloomberg would be the confirmation of every diagnosis socialists have made of the American political system to date. The mask would be fully off and our planet would be basically fucked, all for "he's marginally better and a teensy amount less personally gross!".
 

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Shame the other campaigns went for the cheap "billionaires can't buy the stage" digs instead of understanding that putting him on the debate state means it's not just him shaping his image.
Oh, they understood. There were numerous reports of candidates/allies of candidates privately lobbying for bloomberg to be allowed at the debates for precisely that reason, only for the candidate to publicly bash it as an example of the way billionaires can buy their way into the system. They wanted to have it both ways (understandably!)
 
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