But the ToS!!!
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A lot of people defending exploiting in an online multiplayer game is interesting. I guess it's because Destiny let people exploit that it sets some sort of precedent? For anyone who's played mmos, exploiting pretty much always result in bans, if the scale of the exploit is impactful enough(which is very subjective). Mind you I wouldn't say Destiny/Anthem are true mmos, so I can see them having different rules, but I wouldn't be surprised to see bans for pve exploits in an online game, even if it's not competitive.
If you find an exploit in WoW and consistently use it, you're getting banned. But it didn't even start with Blizzard and WoW. I got banned from UO back in the early mmo days for duping. My secondary account got banned in AC for duping. I didn't play EQ enough but I remember some people talking about getting banned for killing raid stuff in weird ways. FFXI had bans for various exploits. More recently, GW2 banned a bunch of people for exploiting vendor resale value at launch and FFXIV banned people using the Ungarmax exploit.
Seriously. It's a shit game so anything that can encourage playing it more efficiently is huge plus for general interest which could lead to more sales...
it's the player's game as wellI'm fine with devs banning players who use exploits. It's their game. If it ruins the spirit of the game or crosses a line in the eyes of the Devs then that's on the player.
I'm fine with devs banning players who use exploits. It's their game. If it ruins the spirit of the game or crosses a line in the eyes of the Devs then that's on the player.
Now it's it's just a way of playing the Devs didn't think of and doesn't actually use any glitches or bugs then the Devs can fuck off. That's on them. Not the player.
I did read. Look your problem is not with me. I dont care if its right or wrong. The people who care are EA. They said it's a violation. Guess what? You can kick and scream all you want, but it's not going to change the fact that this dude violated the terms.FTFY
Like, read the thread. We've already had this discussion. The kind of farming Gladd was banned for - either world chest farming or boss farming - is a genre convention. It's something players do in these games. You can say that's stupid or boring, but it's 100% what the most hardcore players expect to do in these games if the designers leave that door open.
Do you think we'd be in this whole situation if BioWare's "A-team" were in some way competent devs?
I did read. Look your problem is not with me. I dont care if its right or wrong. The people who care are EA. They said it's a violation. Guess what? You can kick and scream all you want, but it's not going to change the fact that this dude violated the terms.
If we're guessing, then we're taking this dude at his word. Who's to say he's not bullshitting? Look, anytime someone on the internet gets into a problem like this they take to forums/blogs/YouTube etc to claim innocence. 9 times out of 10 its always half the truth they're claiming. We only hear their side. Happens on this forum frequently. "I got banned for nothing..." "my account was hacked..." "I blocked the sale my account was closed..."That's the thing, Bioware's email don't detail why they got banned so the people that get banned have to guess. Streamerhouse was like this, then they started questioning everything so the won't get banned again. "Maybe if I use this dash to reload mod I'll get banned, because it's not only reloading my weapon, it's giving me ammo out of thin air."
A lot of people defending exploiting in an online multiplayer game is interesting. I guess it's because Destiny let people exploit that it sets some sort of precedent? For anyone who's played mmos, exploiting pretty much always result in bans, if the scale of the exploit is impactful enough(which is very subjective). Mind you I wouldn't say Destiny/Anthem are true mmos, so I can see them having different rules, but I wouldn't be surprised to see bans for pve exploits in an online game, even if it's not competitive.
If you find an exploit in WoW and consistently use it, you're getting banned. But it didn't even start with Blizzard and WoW. I got banned from UO back in the early mmo days for duping. My secondary account got banned in AC for duping. I didn't play EQ enough but I remember some people talking about getting banned for killing raid stuff in weird ways. FFXI had bans for various exploits. More recently, GW2 banned a bunch of people for exploiting vendor resale value at launch and FFXIV banned people using the Ungarmax exploit.
Not sure if you are misunderstanding me. My reply was to someone that couldnt understand the joy in finding ways to exploit a game.If you don't want your players to enjoy the game that way, just fix it? The idea of banning someone who maybe paid $60 for this is absurd.
If you didn't care you wouldn't be here, no one needs to be told for the millionth time that "it's the TOS". Going into a thread telling people to just deal with it isn't "not caring", you're siding with the notion that they can ban for whatever the hell they want as long as it's in the TOS and people cannot get mad over it because it's written down, no matter how dumb it is. That's goddamn stupid.I did read. Look your problem is not with me. I dont care if its right or wrong. The people who care are EA. They said it's a violation. Guess what? You can kick and scream all you want, but it's not going to change the fact that this dude violated the terms.
I think that's technically still in the game, and probably very hard for them to ever stop you doing because of how Destiny works. As it is they've mostly just moved those objects away from loading transitions to make it harder to do it effectively, and also put a global rate limit on how many chests you can open in a certain period of time. Still no bans tho.It'd be wild if Bungie banned for stuff like that.
For example, in D1 you could enter an area 'segment'(Where the name pops up) in order to mass farm resources while they were still 'up'. The loot cave. Man, such a mess.
Well, the main problem in Anthem is that there's no point to the farming. In Destiny and The Division there are pinnacle activities like raids or the Dark Zone / incursions (and also now raids in Division 2) where you get to really make use of your good gear. Even Diablo 3 has high end greater rifts which let you test how far you can push your build. But you're right that a loot game without anything to use the loot on is pretty pointless at the end of the day.I don't understand the point of these games? It's just to get the best equipment? Is there any other actual goal? Like I get there is a story but the main point is to find stuff over and over again? I've never played a loot game.
In his YouTube video he's acting as if he hasn't done anything wrong and even states he "didn't benefit" from his actions yet clearly in the clip I posted they are using the ultimate glitch and they are talking about using a quit/launch glitch as well while many many rares are littered about.
Also quoting from the YouTube comment section:
"The chest farm wasn't even an exploit. What you exploited was the ursix mission in which you would kill an ursix with your bugged storm ults and then die and rekill the ursix. You also did the tyrant mine boss reset exploit in which you kill the boss and exit the game and kill it over and over. You clearly don't mention these,"
So yeah. "Not sure why I was banned" guy knows exactly why he was banned. He broke the ToS and promoted these ToS breaking exploits as he says to 50,000 viewers. They're not legit farming methods, they are exploits. The game isn't intended to be played that way. I'm all for efficiency, finding the fastest way to get the best loot or whatever but let's all be honest about what actually happened here.
A lot of people defending exploiting in an online multiplayer game is interesting. I guess it's because Destiny let people exploit that it sets some sort of precedent? For anyone who's played mmos, exploiting pretty much always result in bans, if the scale of the exploit is impactful enough(which is very subjective). Mind you I wouldn't say Destiny/Anthem are true mmos, so I can see them having different rules, but I wouldn't be surprised to see bans for pve exploits in an online game, even if it's not competitive.
If you find an exploit in WoW and consistently use it, you're getting banned. But it didn't even start with Blizzard and WoW. I got banned from UO back in the early mmo days for duping. My secondary account got banned in AC for duping. I didn't play EQ enough but I remember some people talking about getting banned for killing raid stuff in weird ways. FFXI had bans for various exploits. More recently, GW2 banned a bunch of people for exploiting vendor resale value at launch and FFXIV banned people using the Ungarmax exploit.
Imagine if it was for a completely different reason than exploit farming, people defending the ban will look like idiots in the hindsight.
Gladd is a respected Destiny streamer with multiple world first raid completions with his team. He's not just some random dude on the internet. At this point it's fair to take him at his word that he did all the things he admitted doing.If we're guessing, then we're taking this dude at his word. Who's to say he's not bullshitting? Look, anytime someone on the internet gets into a problem like this they take to forums/blogs/YouTube etc to claim innocence. 9 times out of 10 its always half the truth they're claiming. We only hear their side. Happens on this forum frequently. "I got banned for nothing..." "my account was hacked..." "I blocked the sale my account was closed..."
Etc.
I did read. Look your problem is not with me. I dont care if its right or wrong. The people who care are EA. They said it's a violation. Guess what? You can kick and scream all you want, but it's not going to change the fact that this dude violated the terms.
Curious what the more business-y reason for the ban would have been on Bioware's end. Too much reward for insufficient engagement? Less engagement with the feedback loop Bioware intended = less exposure to potentially buying more microtransactions.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Maybe they banned him due to his large audience and the fact that he's sharing these exploits and farm routes with them. If you're farming and earning top tier loot efficiently, then you're not buying their lame micro transactions. Gotta feed papaEA to avoid being thrown in the death pit, right?
Everyone in this thread defending dude keeps saying "read the thread! You didnt watch the video" etc.
The dude in the videos defense is:
- I promoted the game
- everyone does it
- bungie allows it
- I'm a good person
- its farming
The problem is:
- he never details what he did, so dont say "you didnt watch the vid".
- this game is not made by bungie.
- ea doesn't want guys "exploiting the game over and over for days on end getting the best gear" like he did in destiny.
- being a good person is not a defense.
- he's purposely interchanging the words farming and exploiting. This is not farming as I know it. He's not waiting for items to respawn, he's forcing them too.
Please, dont claim I didnt watch or read the information given.
Ive seen this year finally in real life how people being directly fucked have still been apolegetic of the people (the director of an academy) that are fucking them. They know they are being fucked, and they heard stories of people before being fucked, but they dont want to join with people clearly seeing all the shit going down and doing something about it because:We're seeing new ground of corporate apologism, basically in uncharted territory now, how far can we go? Is ther even a limit anymore? Can people actually find fun in exploiting a game or is that a thought beyond my brain's line of sight? 🤔
Ooh, ooh, pick me!Loss aversion, sunk cost fallacy, choice-supportive bias. Take your pick.
Not to mention..banned in a game thats purely PVE with no economy or PVP.
Also as an aside, is there any big Anthem streamer that isn't also a Destiny streamer? The cross over seems huge.
Everyone in this thread defending dude keeps saying "read the thread! You didnt watch the video" etc.
The dude in the videos defense is:
- I promoted the game
- everyone does it
- bungie allows it
- I'm a good person
- its farming
The problem is:
- he never details what he did, so dont say "you didnt watch the vid".
- this game is not made by bungie.
- ea doesn't want guys "exploiting the game over and over for days on end getting the best gear" like he did in destiny.
- being a good person is not a defense.
- he's purposely interchanging the words farming and exploiting. This is not farming as I know it. He's not waiting for items to respawn, he's forcing them too.
Please, dont claim I didnt watch or read the information given.
I did read. Look your problem is not with me. I dont care if its right or wrong. The people who care are EA. They said it's a violation. Guess what? You can kick and scream all you want, but it's not going to change the fact that this dude violated the terms.
Who cares about the problem part? It really does not matter to anyone anyone. Banning someone out of a product they brought over something as minor as exploit is disgustingEveryone in this thread defending dude keeps saying "read the thread! You didnt watch the video" etc.
The dude in the videos defense is:
- I promoted the game
- everyone does it
- bungie allows it
- I'm a good person
- its farming
The problem is:
- he never details what he did, so dont say "you didnt watch the vid".
- this game is not made by bungie.
- ea doesn't want guys "exploiting the game over and over for days on end getting the best gear" like he did in destiny.
- being a good person is not a defense.
- he's purposely interchanging the words farming and exploiting. This is not farming as I know it. He's not waiting for items to respawn, he's forcing them too.
Please, dont claim I didnt watch or read the information given.
Thank you. You make sense.Forcing something to appear in a game seems to be a wrong action. Farming would be if he just followed an optimal path but if he does something to make it pop out of turn and consistently, that would raise a flag. Plus if he is performing other glitches over and over, doesn't seem right.
Not really. I dont like guys exploiting games. Why would anyone. Keep it legit.Who cares about the problem part? It really does not matter to anyone anyone. Banning someone out of a product they brought over something as minor as exploit is disgusting
It's the best defense. Lol. Whether I agree with it or not."But he broke the terms of service" is the weakest defense of this lol. If exploiting a glitch like this breaks the terms of service in a PvE only game with no leaderboards then the TOS itself is trash.
It's in the game. It's not his fault that BioWare left this stuff in the game that's on them it's their game make a better game.Not really. I dont like guys exploiting games. Why would anyone. Keep it legit.
No, it isn't"But he broke the terms of service" is the weakest defense of this lol. If exploiting a glitch like this breaks the terms of service in a PvE only game with no leaderboards then the TOS itself is trash.