Because you don't stoop low. In my case I'm better off ignoring ignorant people. I go meh whatever. I've seen enough to not be surprised and just ignore. Why give such people any importance? Not worth my time. I still wouldn't go over the top and wish death on people. That's just as bad.Not gonna agree with the "opinion" part but even if we were to say let's not "abuse" him, why is it that, that's the only thing you really have to say coming in here? Why don't you also show some compassion towards the people he would rather have dead instead of telling people that they shouldn't abuse him?
This depends on how barbaric his thoughts or mentality is. There are people that make life hell for millions of others based on things that really shouldn't matter.His thought? His mentality? Whatever. Doesn't justify people go all barbaric. Hate on the guy, but some of the comments here are over the top. Death and heart stop? Wtf?
You can be against people wishing death on others without defending bigotry tho.It's his opinion. Doesn't mean we have the green light to abuse him.
Tell us how you really feel.It's his opinion. Doesn't mean we have the green light to abuse him.
His thought? His mentality? Whatever. Doesn't justify people go all barbaric. Hate on the guy, but some of the comments here are over the top. Death and heart stop? Wtf?
Because you don't stoop low. In my case I'm better off ignoring ignorant people. I go meh whatever. I've seen enough to not be surprised and just ignore. Why give such people any importance? Not worth my time. I still wouldn't go over the top and wish death on people. That's just as bad.
This "ignorant person" is a massive influencer with the resources to spread his shit. You can't and should not ignore that.Because you don't stoop low. In my case I'm better off ignoring ignorant people. I go meh whatever. I've seen enough to not be surprised and just ignore. Why give such people any importance? Not worth my time. I still wouldn't go over the top and wish death on people. That's just as bad.
I do agree with TLZ that wishing for someone to die is.. weird.
I'd rather have this man just disappearing from public life and living his life in his own narrowminded bubble not bothering anyone with his awful opinions.
This is how I really feel.Tell us how you really feel.
Hopefully mods can see through your bullshit and do us all a favour.
Thanks for your aggressive behavior.Because you don't stoop low. In my case I'm better off ignoring ignorant people. I go meh whatever. I've seen enough to not be surprised and just ignore. Why give such people any importance? Not worth my time. I still wouldn't go over the top and wish death on people. That's just as bad.
As a gay man who really enjoys the DQ games, this hurts to learn...
Having just finished the game recently, I can say I was surprised at how they treat him, in a good way.
Yes, he talks in an effeminate way, but the game doesn't make a point of it. He's never ridiculed, and he doesn't hit on anyone (so it's not even clear what his sexual preference is).
I was constantly expecting some misplaced attempt at humor at his expense, but it never happened, which is probably about as progressive as a Japanese game can get.
Having just finished the game recently, I can say I was surprised at how they treat him, in a good way.
Yes, he talks in an effeminate way, but the game doesn't make a point of it. He's never ridiculed, and he doesn't hit on anyone (so it's not even clear what his sexual preference is).
I was constantly expecting some misplaced attempt at humor at his expense, but it never happened, which is probably about as progressive as a Japanese game can get.
Rooting for death though? C'mon. How'd that solve anything?This "ignorant person" is a massive influencer with the resources to spread his shit. You can't and should not ignore that.
Your "just as bad" rhetoric is ridiculous by the way, as one guy is promoting heinous views and self-harm among a maligned demographic actively, where as far as I can tell no one here is doing anything but rooting for nature to take its course.
I don't think his posts indicates that he agrees with the mentality at all, he just thinks people should be less aggressive about it. I disagree with him but that's not ban worthy.Tell us how you really feel.
Hopefully mods can see through your bullshit and do us all a favour.
Let me guess, you also think we should just talk to Nazis, right? Because violence never solves anything?
Because you don't stoop low. In my case I'm better off ignoring ignorant people. I go meh whatever. I've seen enough to not be surprised and just ignore. Why give such people any importance? Not worth my time. I still wouldn't go over the top and wish death on people. That's just as bad.
He is calling Anti-LGBT mentalities and war crimes an opinion. It's a human rights issue and to ignore bigotry under the guise of being an opinion is dismissive and shitty behavior.I don't think his posts indicates that he agrees with the mentality at all, he just thinks people should be less aggressive about it. I disagree with him but that's not ban worthy.
Why don't you contribute to the threads topic or is wishing death on bigots more offensive than someone wishing death on LGBT and denying rape and murder war crimes?Please stop cheering for people to die that you don't like, thanks!
Nah lets's go deeper. You care more about voicing your distaste at people wishing a bigot's death than actually calling out the bigot who is laughing at the death of LGBT and denying war crimes(rape and murder) committed by Japan. Shows the kind of person you are.This is how I really feel.
Thanks for your aggressive behavior.
His removal from the world will literally stop his hatemongering and funding of hatemongering and war-crime denial. He will go from being a negative influence to no influence at all, a net gain. This would not be the case were he not doing current and active harm, but he is and continues to campaign in that direction.
Yeah, this is why I liked what they did with him. It's very clearly a part of him as a character, but it isn't played at his expense whatsoever.Having just finished the game recently, I can say I was surprised at how they treat him, in a good way.
Yes, he talks in an effeminate way, but the game doesn't make a point of it. He's never ridiculed, and he doesn't hit on anyone (so it's not even clear what his sexual preference is).
I was constantly expecting some misplaced attempt at humor at his expense, but it never happened, which is probably about as progressive as a Japanese game can get.
Practically if Sugiyama is dead, he can no longer spend his money and fame on influencing other people into believing that the Rape of Nanking and the exploitation of comfort women in WW2 are exaggerated events meant to smear Japan's honor. It would also prevent him from co-hosting programs such as this. Without him being an additional draw to such a program, it reduces the legitimacy it has. So, him dying actually does solve a few things. Answering this because you asked.
John Lasseter is one of the greatest minds in animation and I can enjoy his masterpieces perfectly fine despite the fact that we know he is kinda rapey."Separate the art from the artist" isn't high-minded neutrality, it's "I don't care and it bothers me that you do so stop."
John Lasseter is one of the greatest minds in animation and I can enjoy his masterpieces perfectly fine despite the fact that we know he is kinda rapey.
Walt Disney was kinda sexist/racist as well wasn't he? Doesn't mean you can't enjoy his work.
Separate art from the artist literally means what it says, don't read into it.
Enjoy art for what it is, not for who made it if it bothers you so much
ah yes, that is actually a legit problem that all of Japan faces. It is rather interesting in a weird way. As in, some schools don't even teach it anymore and they focus on other things and other angles about the war. One of the reasons why South Koreans and Japanese people don't get along is Japan never admitted the war crimes they did to SK. It's oddly fascinating - anyways back to the topic at hand:
did I miss this? Where did it say or show this?The guy funds entire campaings that causes LGBT people suffering, to the point of suicide
Really like your posts and we have somewhat similar tastes. You're easily one of the coolest users in this site!Well, thank you!
I'm glad that as a whole, this forum's pretty LGBT friendly. There's some bad apples here and there, but at least (as we can see in this thread) they get dealt with!
John Lasseter is one of the greatest minds in animation and I can enjoy his masterpieces perfectly fine despite the fact that we know he is kinda rapey.
Walt Disney was kinda sexist/racist as well wasn't he? Doesn't mean you can't enjoy his work.
Separate art from the artist literally means what it says, don't read into it.
Enjoy art for what it is, not for who made it if it bothers you so much
Why use the word "should" instead of "can"? Why tell other people how they must react to something? Is it important that an artists gets recognition and support for their work regardless of their actions? No. Society is such that no one is entitled to that. If you're a piece of shit and people reject you for it, you asked for it. If you're a piece of shit but you're so good that some people can't not recognize the talent, well, that's also possible, but it's not something that has to happen.I am not supporting the guy, I most definitely am not. But I just stand by what I said, "we should separate the art from the artist"
Morally speaking, the answer is quite easy. Video games, books, movies, these entertainment products should not be more important than your fellow man.I think it's a tough dilemma that should be taken on a case by case basis, and is also a personal choice.
Yes, enjoying their work can potentially directly fund their awful agenda. Their warped, biggoted views can also inform how characters/plot/etc play out or act in something. I totally understand and support the stance to cut such creators off.
But, I also selfishly feel like I'll be missing on a lot of amazing stuff that I find inspiring, engaging, etc despite the creators' warped and maicious stances.
I feel like there's no easy answer. I sometimes justify myself enjoying such works, by also getting involved/helping the causes I care about.
yeah, also that would mean throwing the work of a very talented and passionate team for only one pos person in the dev team which is basically the only reason why I am insisting so much on people separating art from artist here.I feel like there's no easy answer. I sometimes justify myself enjoying such works, by also getting involved/helping the causes I care about.
Sounds like the solution for them is to remove the toxic element from their jobs then? If they're really concerned about that.yeah, also that would mean throwing the work of a very talented and passionate team for only one pos person in the dev team which is basically the only reason why I am insisting so much on people separating art from artist here.
No need to be, you are an awesome poster!
Bummer, I had no idea that he was such an awful person. I love the music that he's made, although I do think that Dragon Quest needs some updated music desperately. Definitely don't think he deserves to die, even if he is disgusting, but I absolutely think he needs to be replaced (for more reasons than one) . Hopefully he does get replaced soon and we'll get the upgraded DQ soundtracks that the games deserve, and will be able to buy the games and enjoy the music without inadvertently supporting people like him. Sucks because Dragon Quest is my favorite series and it bums me out seeing people say screw Dragon Quest, but I do get it.
is this not a big deal in japan to be openly anti-lgbt? SE should definitely cut ties with him and stop their working relationship. this is unacceptable.
Why should anybody have to do that?But I just stand by what I said, "we should separate the art from the artist"
a person's opinion is their own and theirs alone, doesn't represent the company's opinion. I am just having a hard time understanding why people find it so hard. But feels like an uphill battle if I keep this up and feels like I am rooting for someone that actually kind of disgusts meSounds like the solution for them is to remove the toxic element from their jobs then? If they're really concerned about that.
Taiwan?But Japan is the country in Asia with more chances to accept LGBT people.
a person's opinion is their own and theirs alone, doesn't represent the company's opinion. I am just having a hard time understanding why people find it so hard. But feels like an uphill battle if I keep this up and feels like I am rooting for someone that actually kind of disgusts me
They're not owed success, this isn't a meritocracy. They got paid salaries for working on the game already, anyway.yeah, also that would mean throwing the work of a very talented and passionate team for only one pos person in the dev team which is basically the only reason why I am insisting so much on people separating art from artist here.