Man, Everytime I view the incident, I don't see how Max couldn't have gotten a Penalty. He was going to get pass anyway so if that is what they're going with then sure, but nah -- that's not by the book.
Ferrari should fire Vettel for Ric but they aren't that kind of team unless Vettel do something to piss them off. Ric would be also great drive for Merc but I think they are satisfied with Bottas right now. He won't be going back to RB so the only other sensible option other than wait for Renault to get good, is McLaren.
Unless Ferrari or Merc offer him a seat (1%) he just stays in Renault waiting to see how things pan out. But even McLaren that wanted him are probably not considering at all to change their drivers.
LOL Alonso ain't coming back. Too old for this shit. And Sainz is pretty good, he was very close to Max when they were racing for TR.I don't think Sainz is long for that seat come next year, McLaren have been making progress all season in a tangible way; Alonso will be in that car next season.
Alonso ego is extremely huge. He would come back in a top team. He thinks he is the best ever and F1 is the only "real" way to prove it.LOL Alonso ain't coming back. Too old for this shit. And Sainz is pretty good, he was very close to Max when they were racing for TR.
My glasses are probably tinted red, white and blue but i couldn't see it any other way than Leclerc bumping into Verstappen while he should have let him go to try and take him back later on (wouldn't have worked but that's racing). Leclerc should have known he was beaten. Verstappen followed a clear path and didn't steer his wheel into Leclerc. He was ahead of Leclerc in the corner.Man, Everytime I view the incident, I don't see how Max couldn't have gotten a Penalty. He was going to get pass anyway so if that is what they're going with then sure, but nah -- that's not by the book.
LOL Alonso ain't coming back. Too old for this shit. And Sainz is pretty good, he was very close to Max when they were racing for TR.
Alonso ego is extremely huge. He would come back in a top team. He thinks he is the best ever and F1 is the only "real" way to prove it.
Thing is, that overtake was a carbon copy of the previous lap in with max left enough room. Charles was literally side by side so why should he concede?
Similar or carbon copy? Same speed, distance, etc? I've seen too many examples of other people that wouldn't qualify as carbon copy.Thing is, that overtake was a carbon copy of the previous lap in with max left enough room. Charles was literally side by side so why should he concede?
His idea was to repeat the previous lap, use a wider line to get out of the corner with more speed and take his place back. Max closed the door. Truth is nowadays drivers always talk about giving space but as many veterans pointed on the twitter, back in the old days it was accepted that drivers would use their car to close you out and deny you a chance to attack back. And let's be honest, this is how e all overtake in video games.Leclerc should have parked on the apex imo. He gave Max all the room in the world.
His idea was to repeat the previous lap, use a wider line to get out of the corner with more speed and take his place back. Max closed the door. Truth is nowadays drivers always talk about giving space but as many veterans pointed on the twitter, back in the old days it was accepted that drivers would use their car to close you out and deny you a chance to attack back. And let's be honest, this is how e all overtake in video games.
The keyword in the official statement is 'apex'; when fighting for the apex and the overtaker takes the inside, when both wheels touch, the overtaker has won the raceline. It's literally a rule book example.Man, Everytime I view the incident, I don't see how Max couldn't have gotten a Penalty. He was going to get pass anyway so if that is what they're going with then sure, but nah -- that's not by the book.
My glasses are probably tinted red, white and blue but i couldn't see it any other way than Leclerc bumping into Verstappen while he should have let him go to try and take him back later on (wouldn't have worked but that's racing). Leclerc should have known he was beaten. Verstappen followed a clear path and didn't steer his wheel into Leclerc. He was ahead of Leclerc in the corner.
It literally says lap 69 in the screenshot.No way that the first picture is from the lap Verstappen passed him, they were literally wheel to wheel throughout the whole turn. He was never really more than one wheel in front.
Okay that was probably the lap before.No way that the first picture is from the lap Verstappen passed him, they were literally wheel to wheel throughout the whole turn. He was never really more than one wheel in front.
There is no lap counter in the first screenshot
Finally downloaded and installed F1 2019. Went straight backwards in the F2 scenarios. Still got a top ride with Racing Point, though!
My bad. I'm at work and have images set to hidden. I only saw one image link which is the second image. I didn't spot the first screenshot.
Yep. Last year, you got a choice on who you replaced, now you just take over for the second driver, apparently. I'd much rather be against Stroll, though, as I'm certain to be getting smoked for a few races while I learn to drive the car and find some setups that work for me. Also, I'm not some rando, I bring a lucrative resetera sponsorship with me!I'm curious... so who did you replace? Stroll? Imagine that, being dropped by your own father for some random (sorry), driver. ;)
I'm not some rando, I bring a lucrative resetera sponsorship with me!
I'm really curious about the state of Max's engine after this race. When they came on the radio and said mode 11, maximum power till the end I was like, ooh shit. I'm liking the reliability and confidence of Honda there, but I'm wondering if it was an all or nothing move, or if they simply are confident that the engine can handle this setting for large portions of the race.
fair enough. but right after that point in the youtube vid image he is ahead as well.Your glasses need a bit of checking then because that photo is not from the pass, it's from Verstappen's prior (failed) attempt to pass Leclerc. Ironically, on that one he had the apex but he still left enough room, when he was far more behind he pushed Leclerc off. For reference, this is a screenshot from the actual pass:
Use the yellow part of the kerb as reference, see how Verstappen's rear is exactly aligned to that compared to the first photo. In the actual pass, Max wasn't even ahead, if he ever was it was by inches. Let's not confuse the conversation by bringing elements that are unrelated to the actual pass.
By waiting, Daniel actually made his bargaining position with Red Bull stronger: he had a huge offer from Renault, and Red Bull could either match it, or suffer Gasly. They did match it, but Daniel decided to leave anyway.The problem was that Ricciardo pretty much shot himself in the foot. He held out for too long thinking that Mercedes or Ferrari would snap him up but they never did. By that point it was clear that Verstappen was the better RB driver and he'd never get the same offer from them he would have done earlier in the season.
Also I think he probably knew that the team were invested in Verstappen as the future and he probably saw a repeat of the Webber/Vettel years approaching so made the only logical move he could at the time given where McLaren were and that Renault were a works team.
Watched a rerun of the race. Incredible driving by Max. The man can race.
hopefully they can take the Honda to new hights and have three teams that can really go for the championship. More than 30 rounds on full power is pretty amazing in these conditions
It's crazy that he is above both Ferraris right now since those cars are faster. But there he is.
The Grand Prix was a team home race, and we agreed with the team to use the engine as far as we could go, so we checked the engine status during the race and said that we could still go higher.
I have no choice but to go when the difference with Leclerc is less than 4 seconds. It was tough to cool down when we approached the car
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Okay, that's what one of the reporters said. Maybe it was a bit hyperbolic :P. But they are extremely happy with the amount of power it can deliver over long stretches of time.I don't think they ran full power for over 30 laps, it would've blown up as Honda were also on the edge with cooling. Tanabe said they gave it everything when the gap to Leclerc was irresistible:
Okay, that's what one of the reporters said. Maybe it was a bit hyperbolic :P. But they are extremely happy with the amount of power it can deliver over long stretches of time.
The keyword in the official statement is 'apex'; when fighting for the apex and the overtaker takes the inside, when both wheels touch, the overtaker has won the raceline. It's literally a rule book example.
Not having to leave space for the driver on the outside on corner exit is a pretty big change. I think it's a positive one, since it will make drivers pursue more overtaking opportunities.In the famous words of Alonso "You have to leave a space". Stills kind of show Max as being in the right but the videos show otherwise. This corner is also one where drivers don't use the inside Apex as well as most others. Max exited the corner as if there was no one there.
I do worry that defenders will just always take the inside line now, and run the other driver off the track on exit.
"V-Tec Yo!!"I really just want Verstappen to scream Honda power on an overtake
I think it'll go from majority to all, with the 'running the other driver off the track' bit now appended.Tbh that's pretty much the how it is in the majority of cases now anyway.
Not having to leave space for the driver on the outside on corner exit is a pretty big change. I think it's a positive one, since it will make drivers pursue more overtaking opportunities.
I do worry that defenders will just always take the inside line now, and run the other driver off the track on exit. Either way it should make for more exciting racing though, and probably a lot more collisions. I don't really care which variant they go with, as long as it's the same for everyone.
These situations really should stop being compared, as they are not nearly identical.That was part of the reasoning when Rosberg squeezed Verstappen himself off the track in Germany 2016 as well, and in that case there wasn't even a contact
Every form of motorsports is the same in regards to that move. If two cars are even, the vehicle that's on the racing line gets to stay on the racing line. Always. If you're outside and even at the apex, you've lost. You can argue that Max is supposed to leave room on the outside there, but only a fool would expect to get it. I don't understand why there's still any discussion going on. The shitty state of F1 stewarding has made everyone second guess everything, I guess.
Again, if you drive around the outside and think the car attempting to pass you is going to leave you space, you are a fool. 'Well, it happened last time.' Last time, you got lucky. Your only recourse is to cry to the stewards. That shit happens way to much. The paddock is full of Grosjeans. Either defend the inside or go for an over/under. Don't just sit out there and expect the person on the racing line to hit the brakes and play nice. Nut the fuck up and race. Every time there's an incident, both drivers are immediately on the radio pleading their case. It's stupid. In fact, it should be an automatic 5 second penalty if you whine on the radio.It doesn't matter if you are in a corner or not - if you have a car alongside you have to leave space for it on the track. Leclerc clearly showed that he hadn't lost the position by staying on the outside on the previous lap.
They finally had a good race and didn't want to "spoil it" by changing the result after the finish.
They basically award penalties based on consequences and not actions. If Leclerc had suffered a broken suspension of gotten stuck i a gravel trap Verstappen would have gotten a penaly.
You're trying to compare four completely disparate situations. Vettel's penalty was for an unsafe rejoin, Riccardo left the track and gained an advantage twice and Rosberg wasn't anywhere near the racing line.