Well seeing as how I have enjoyed this season as well as tonights episode I still care.
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
-
We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.
Game of Thrones S8 |OT2| Please do not post spoilers here - assume all episodes have been leaked - spoiler tag all future episode speculation
- Thread starter Deleted member 2802
- Start date
- OT
- Status
Well seeing as how I have enjoyed this season as well as tonights episode I still care.
I don't think it's untrue at all. Money talks, prestige talks, one can deny it all they want, but I see a lot more people are starting to question this too all over the internet now after all those "don't worry, they'll explain what Bran was doing during the Winterfell battle and it'll be a genius explanation, so it's not rushed at all" ... yeah ... nope.
Lets be honest D&D career wise have gotten all there was to get from GoT. And I don't fault them for wanting to do something else after 10 years. I take offence though that they didn't do right by the story and let someone else finish the show with a proper 9th season to give all the nuance the show needed to end properly.
They were offered more time by HBO and said no
That poster had it right
its a toss of a coin
This + they didn't want her to go on a murderous vision quest for the same reason Bronn showed up a few weeks ago
My point is that if they had more time they still would have still waited until the very end to start making Dany seem off.
I actually disagree with not earning the turn. She's lost everyone she cares about and she's always been kind of a megalomaniac. She doesn't listen to advisers. She's been killing people buy burning them to death since season 3. She feels she did all of these things to get to King's Landing and no one loves her. And the person she went to fight the night king for won't touch her because she's his aunt. She wanted people to love her and when she didn't get that she said "Fine, fear it is". That's why she burned the city because she realizes these people won't love her but they will fear her. She's crazy and she always has been.
The whole thing that people didn't believe HBO wouldn't want more seasons was so incredibly stupid too. Yeah, TV network doesn't want their most successful show not just currently but in the history of the network to have an extra season ... yeah right.
It was always D&D and their explanation is hilariously lame too ... "we always felt it should be 73 hours, that's all". Why? What's so special about the number 73?
It was always D&D and their explanation is hilariously lame too ... "we always felt it should be 73 hours, that's all". Why? What's so special about the number 73?
For me the difference is Dany was given 3 nukes compared to those characters, led to believe she is a dragon throughout her life and there was always more potential for her to get 'carried away' with them :)
Well, at least I got this out of this episode
"It's over Sandor, I have the high ground!"
It's not that her turn can't work ... it's that how the SHOW protrays it is monumentally stupid.
I think any stupid thing Dany does can be justified with the fact that she's the product of inbreeding and has a god-complex.
It's not good story telling, but...🤷♂️
It's not good story telling, but...🤷♂️
I was so pissed! I knew they were going to fuck it up. I just didn't know how bad, lol.
Ugh, this whole season is just filled with out of character moments for the sake of moving the plot along. It's all so rushed.
Maybe now people won't shit on LOST. That ending was at least setup pretty well.
Well, this isn't toxic at all. Maybe you should keep this thread blocked.
Except she didn't ooze any entitlement day one. She said in the first episode of season one "I don't want to be his queen. I want to go home."
Targaryen madness is very much a thing and has been talked about multiple times on the show
You think the actors wanted to stick around for another season too or this was all just D&D wanting to shut things down? This entire production has been going 10 years. Martin never finished the books so they have to write an ending knowing that everyone will be pissed at them even though they are doing the ending Martin told them. It's gotta be hard as fuck to be the villains to a fan base that's convinced you're fucking up their favorite story when the author didn't finish his own work. I'd want to move on too but that doesn't mean people are phoning it in. Cmon. That's nonsense.
"GOOD LUCK TRYING TO KILL ME WHEN I'M ALREADY DEAD!" *tackles him through the wall*
winterfell is the shows shire. If it this is supposed to be that it misses the point entirely
That's fine but it basically robs the characters of much depth and if that's really all there is to GRRM's story, then really its overrated. Nice twists but yeah whatever, it's not worth looking that deeply into.
How many of these actors really have massive movie careers? Pretty much none. A lot of them will never see the paycheques they were getting for season 8 and likely would've got for season 9 ever again.
A Michael J. Fox-Family Ties or Will Smith-Fresh Prince situation this ain't.
If you're going to do it, then do it right, hand off the story and let someone else take over the show for the proper extra season the story needed. Wanting to end the show, but do so on a schedule that allowed for Star Wars movies was selfish on D&D's part, make a fucking choice, don't compromise the show because you can't let go of the show but also want to move on.
Yes I know that you think that :) I feel like it might happen in the books but because it's told from different POVs the scene might not come across as Dany just being a villian, this would definitely be an interesting POV for her.
I guess I should look into watching the show again huh ? I stopped at the end of season 1 . This looks like Dexter repeat to me with these reactions
Why the fuck would they do this to Jaime. Are you fucking kidding me?
I'm not even sure why I felt he was going to fight against Cersei when he left Winterfell. Like holy. shit.
And Euron being at the beach the exact same moment Jaime gets there...ffs.
I'm not even sure why I felt he was going to fight against Cersei when he left Winterfell. Like holy. shit.
And Euron being at the beach the exact same moment Jaime gets there...ffs.
I haven't been as critical as many of you when it come to this season hell I really liked episode 3, but Dany's turn did not feel earned and the paranoia about Jon getting the throne didn't feel like a good enough reason for her to lose her mind. Really made no damn sense for what she did. I enjoyed the The Hound vs The Mountain fight at least.
It's crazy that two guys are going to get the chance to utterly destroy two of the most loved and endeared franchises in modern American culture.
HBO I can sort of get because the idea was Martin would get done by the time we got to this point. Disney has had time to see this train wreck building and they gave them a cannon trilogy.
I'm speaking in obviously exaggerated terms rather than literally the first bloody episode. She's been fed entitlement since day one, if by proxy of the inherently absurd concept of leadership as birthright and entitlement, and how it was robbed from her family. It's what fed her character. She's not cartoonishly evil like Cersei arguably became within the writing, but she has regularly demonstrated the allure of dictating the value of life from a position of unquestionable power. She's been chasing her "birthright" for several seasons now. It's always been unhealthy, just as it's unhealthy for anybody to do that.
Jamie and Cersei probably would've fucked butt ass naked in the ending D&D wanted with bricks falling on them, but Lena Heady doesn't want to do any more nude scenes.
Actually, Jaime's actions are not too far removed from something GRRM said once, that one of the topics he wanted to touch in his books was redemption, and whether or not true redemption was ever possible for everyone. Jaime going back to Cersei, if anything, shows that things are not just either good or evil, but there's a nuance to it. His whole arc proves that.
That being said, I doubt his death in the books will be the same, although it will almost definitely involve Cersei as well.
I bet.....Euron is still fucking alive because the writers are shit and give him all the damn plot armor.
Plus Harry Strickland.....what was the point.
Plus Harry Strickland.....what was the point.
I don't know why people keep clinging to the notion that D&D are following GRRM's vision/ending. Until either D&D or GRRM say so, it's not real. The only thing we have is GRRM assuming their endings would arrive at the same points but he said this without having read the scripts to S8 or any advanced knowledge. Dude didn't even visit the set on the last day of shooting.
Bro, that's not what he means.
He's not referring to Jaime backsliding and throwing away all character growth. He's talking about us and the people victim to his prior actions, is such a character redeemable in our eyes. Look at Theon and all the horrible shit he did. In the end, he fought and died for the Starks. Did his final actions redeem all the horrible shit he did in the past? That's for each and everyone of us to decide, but there is no right answer.
Jaime pushed a child out a window and done some other scummy shit, does his later actions make up for that? That's one of the key tenets of the series. Is one always damned for their prior actions or can those actions be forgiven? Does a good act wash out a bad or vice versa?
Bro, that's not what he means.
He's not referring to Jaime backsliding and throwing away all character growth. He's talking about us and the people victim to his prior actions, is such a character redeemable in our eyes. Look at Theon and all the horrible shit he did. In the end, he fought and died for the Starks. Did his final actions redeem all the horrible shit he did in the past? That's for each and everyone of us to decide, but there is no right answer.
Jaime pushed a child out a window and done some other scummy shit, does his later actions make up for that? That's one of the key tenets of the series. Is one always damned for their prior actions or can those actions be forgiven? Does a good act wash out a bad or vice versa?
Well I hope GRRM's reason for Dany going crazy is more nuanced than "she's a crazy bitch because of her bloodline".
It's a fact HBO offered D&D more time and episodes to finish the show, but they wanted to get it done quicker.
Could the Star Wars deal and money have some truth in it? Sure, but they're also on record as being completely and utterly exhausted. The first 4-5 years where they had more episodes, a smaller budget, a strict air-date schedule, and a production machine that wasn't as well-oiled as it is today did a number on them and their health.
With hindsight I wouldn't be surprised if HBO would have opted for more time between seasons, or even taken a break and found new showrunners. You can tell the lessons from GoT have changed HBO's production style and major shows like Westworld are now alternating years.
This is not even close to the climax of Dexter or Lost. It's just some very sloppy and contrived writing that rushed us to plot beats that actually work on their own.
I'm half afraid the next episode starts with Jaime and Cersei waking up covered in dust coughing. But not even D&D would do that.
we know it's not because in the books she's already had experiences that convincingly lead her to believe that violence is the best way
- Status