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Giant Bomb |OT 26| Speaking Of Cumstains, Shout-out To Our Seamen
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Definitely. If I was the developer I would have something concrete by now just to clarify and make my position about it known instead of letting the flames burn sort to speak.
I'm probably speaking out of line but as a person with autism
Calling a onamtopea a slur just cause it's the go to for the ableist, lowt effort and fankly emberasing cartons about things the dregs of the internet has convinced themselves is hilarious to punch down on,
is in my opinion giving way more credit, attention and brainspace to said dregs than they desserve.
Calling a onamtopea a slur just cause it's the go to for the ableist, lowt effort and fankly emberasing cartons about things the dregs of the internet has convinced themselves is hilarious to punch down on,
is in my opinion giving way more credit, attention and brainspace to said dregs than they desserve.
Yeah I think it's an easy thing for them to correct, and I don't think people are in the wrong to be angry about it but I don't think these guys seem like bad faith actors. Like I'm hyper vigilante about prejudice against neurodivergent people, I think it's one of those battles we need to have with people still unfortunately. Right now we (my family) are trying to find programs for employment for my brother, there's some out there but employment outlets for some neurodivergent folk are still imo playing catchup to where they really need to be at.
But I honestly never even knew this term was in that ballpark until very recently. Another user posted a video in here of a frog, that's where I first saw this term, I just thought it was some frog related nonsense and I think a lot of people still think that. Anyway I just wanted to share my perspective on this. There's a lot that needs to be done to improve understanding of ASD but unless the developer response is bad or untimely I'm kinda putting this one down to ignorance of meme origins than cruelty.
But yes they should say or do something about it, no argument there
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I was actively trying not to wade into this but I don't even know what we're discussing here tbh. Seems to be just a bunch of people talking past each other who broadly agree that it's bad and out of place in the game who are getting mad at someone for trying to put it in context with the rest of the title and how internet memes tend to escape their original community to the extent people reuse it without knowing the original meaning.
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This is kinda reaching "blackface in the Netherlands isn't racist because it's a tradition!" levels of apologia.
You didn't know it was a slur, okay. Jess clearly knew it and she still said it out loud. Now deflecting to "seems like you might just have a problem with this person" is incredibly weak.
Ryan said the F word out loud and immediately apologized and wrote a genuine apology the next day. That was in 2013 or so. That was a worse fuck up because it was unprompted but nobody ever held it against him because he reacted the way he did. Jess didn't. End of story.
You didn't know it was a slur, okay. Jess clearly knew it and she still said it out loud. Now deflecting to "seems like you might just have a problem with this person" is incredibly weak.
Ryan said the F word out loud and immediately apologized and wrote a genuine apology the next day. That was in 2013 or so. That was a worse fuck up because it was unprompted but nobody ever held it against him because he reacted the way he did. Jess didn't. End of story.
I just can't stand when someone reflexively assumes the worst possible angle on someone's argument. We have way too much of that on here. She obviously cares about it a lot, has experience with autism and chan culture and went back to see it in context of the game.
To then imply she's doing it out of whatever malicious intent you came up with is just not ok.
To then imply she's doing it out of whatever malicious intent you came up with is just not ok.
Comparing these two events is also ridiculous.
Can you show me where I said anything about "malicious intent"?
I wish the Morning Games Mess was a podcast released super early in the morning that covers all the prior days news. Should be 20-30 minutes.
Willing this into manifestation.
Willing this into manifestation.
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I'm of two minds when it comes to this. On the one hand, to have something condensed about the news of the prior day feels lean and good but on the other hand I think I enjoy something a bit more long form with some discussion latched onto it just because I feel there are news that deserves more discussion.
Because Ryan screamed a well known slur for gay people during a fit of rage. Something that would get you rightfully fired in many places today. Neither are the two expressions on the same level, nor did Jess use it in such a way, quite the contrary.
A neurodivergent person quoting an ableist slur for just for the sake of clarity of A) It being in the game and B) It not confused with the other that begins with R is absolutely not the same as yelling out a homophobic slur in anger.
WRT Ryan's homophobic outburst. The 'f' slur is so prevalent as a slur to completely eclipse what the word originally meant. It was a very ugly moment for Ryan but to his credit he immediately took it back and owned the fuckup for what it was and his disappointment at having the word in his vocabulary was evident as well.
This 'frog r' term is not as commonly understood as a slur, and so it needs to be explained to people that it is and that it is not the same term as the other 'r' word. If the other 'r' word was used here, that would completely change this conversation cause that word is on the same level as the slur Ryan used, which completely changes the context here. There's a history of hate behind that former term, but this 'frog r' word slur is just not as well known. Basically agree with the lara croft hot fuzz enjoying guy on this one
Tho someone should timestamp this UPF video for sake of clarity tbh, inflection of tone matters as well
I love my brother, so you better not be putting this one my way. I hope you aren't and this is a misinterpretation on my part
This 'frog r' term is not as commonly understood as a slur, and so it needs to be explained to people that it is and that it is not the same term as the other 'r' word. If the other 'r' word was used here, that would completely change this conversation cause that word is on the same level as the slur Ryan used, which completely changes the context here. There's a history of hate behind that former term, but this 'frog r' word slur is just not as well known. Basically agree with the lara croft hot fuzz enjoying guy on this one
Tho someone should timestamp this UPF video for sake of clarity tbh, inflection of tone matters as well
I love my brother, so you better not be putting this one my way. I hope you aren't and this is a misinterpretation on my part
I really hope I'm not being taken up as apologizing for the term because I have autistic people close to me and it does absolutely disgust me and I was well aware of its context just seeing right wing twitter trolls use it years ago.
Everyone is always up in arms when it comes to racism or homophobia, but ableism is still difficult for many to understand it seems. I mean I see and feel it in real life every day.
Saying it doesn't compare to the Ryan incident at all is exactly that.
Now we get to the heart of the issue which is that you, and apparently a lot of other people have arbitrarily decided that this slur is somehow a "lesser" slur, and thus more okay to say.
Ableism is foremost in my mind on a day to day basis in many of its forms. It's been something I've aware of before I even knew what homophobia was, basically my whole life. In one sense, in terms of physical ableism as someone who's gone through two spinal surgeries and has struggled to get employer recognition of the many things needed to be productive (my current employer is excellent for this, my former was not)
Secondly, in terms of neurodivergent prejudice because of my direct experience with my brother, the challenges he faces and the struggle for him personally and the people around him to find a role for him in this world and the worries that brings on a daily basis, for him as well because he is absolutely aware of these challenges himself in his own ways
I dunno, I might have to bow out of this one tbh and inflict a fake thread ban on myself or something cause I already drama mongered in here and got banned for it, but this is a bit more personal and I feel a bit more justified sharing my thoughts. Like I feel like something very serious and difficult is being trivialized here. Nobody is saying it is 'OK' to say a slur, they are saying that the context is being warped here when a slur has to be made to be understood as a slur and that awareness of it should be promoted. That this developer may not be aware of it (we don't know yet, again their response and the timeliness of it is what should be judged). A lot of people are probably well meaning in here and I can't make a guess as to anyone's experience of autism, directly or not, cause that is not OK to do either. But I think maybe some of these well meaning people aren't really helping generate a productive understanding of ASD difficulties, they might just be doing the opposite.
I accept that the term is hurtful, of course I know that now. But I advise people think a bit about the takes they are sharing here, especially WRT Jess who based on what others have shared here is not speaking from a position of ill information.
Anyway here is that timestamp, I went and looked for it (Content warning, the slur being discussed if you dont want to hear it)
Sorry about this one mods but I felt I had to vent and I'm not trying to start a fire
Even in this thread we had many people say they weren't aware of it at all, so did Jan during the segment, nobody would say that about the slur Ryan used. So of course they aren't on the same level. And again, they weren't used in the same way either, which is the more important context, especially with Jess' background, but you conveniently left that part out.
You've probably made up your mind already, so I won't be wasting my energy anymore. I also think it's fucked up that derFeef is insinuating ableism here, I'm quite disappointed by that.
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As I mentioned previously, the dev should just speak up since a lot of people are talking about it because we will just go around in circles while the source for some reason is still quiet.
Fuck ableism, fuck the term and it was a mistake to put it in the game. I just think it's irresponsible to go "Jess said this slur on stream!" and completely ignore that she was merely highlighting that it was a slur to an audience of people who were mostly unaware, not to mention equating somebody affected by a slur quoting it in order to call attention to abelist language to a guy dropping homophobic language unprompted in anger.
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Also I'm treating the podcast as the "morning" part, not the livestream.
I am happy that most livestreams at GB since the reshuffle are doing pretty well . Compared to before the changes, it seems to be a singificant increase. Again these changes seemed to have worked out well for everyone involved, even if the original cause seems to be quite messy,
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I love everything with how the narrative is presented, but the knowledge of it being a 60 hour minimum experience means I am not likely to touch it.
On a similar note, I came across a recent epiphany.
I really do like playing games, but I think I like finishing them more.
This is why I am drawn to film more than any other medium, you can knock one out with by spending, at most, four hours of the day (you know which four hour film I refer to right?). Compare this to the glut of quality television and 50+ hour games, which require a much larger commitment.
This has me thinking......is this epiphany what ends up drawing me toward the indie scene?
I made a recent Game Pass list of the indies I am likely to check out after Unpacking, including Tunic, Sable, Mortal Shell, Bugsnax, Death's Door, and Edith Finch.
At a glance, the listed titles frange anywhere from five to ten hours, a fraction of what I usually spend on a AAA title.
For those who ended up spending more time with Indies, is this what initially drew you in?
Not at all, I like indies because they offer a broader range of game types than most big publishers.
I honestly couldn't care any less about finishing most games.
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For me what drew me into indie games are two things
- How they could take an idea all the way to its logical end point while being creative about it
- Often times the games are focused on themes not focused in AAA games
It was never about length for me. I'm more about the ideas, themes and mechanics but I could also see the appeal in how indie games in general do not necessarily overstay their welcome.
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games are games.
I really don't understand why there is an AAA / Indie divide for you. I mean, it's you, so i get it lol.
But if a game is good why do i really care the size of the studio or how much money was behind it?
I really don't understand why there is an AAA / Indie divide for you. I mean, it's you, so i get it lol.
But if a game is good why do i really care the size of the studio or how much money was behind it?
Have any/many people been tweeting or emailing the Dev about it?
I've seen the original tweet highlighting it, and a bunch of conversations in the GB extended universe threads talking about how those different teams are covering it...but I've not seen anyone else tweeting the Dev and getting a shit reply or anything like that.
I've seen the original tweet highlighting it, and a bunch of conversations in the GB extended universe threads talking about how those different teams are covering it...but I've not seen anyone else tweeting the Dev and getting a shit reply or anything like that.
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For some people big production values just grabs them, I know a few people who are like that in my life until I show them what indie games are doing on the lowkey.