He won because it was an open primary and republicans wanted to vote against Hillary.
The exit polls at the time showed most of the people who voted Bernie would vote Trump over him.
It was a fuck you vote, nothing more.
He won because it was an open primary and republicans wanted to vote against Hillary.
I see this sentiment all the time. He's not, stop. Saying it just shows you aren't from here and know fuck all about the state. People like the guy for some reason and he'll continue to win any state race he runs.So... what's your solution here?
Primary Manchin? Run some kind of magical liberal Democrat that will 100% lose in WV?
I'd rather have someone who votes Democrat 75% of the time than someone who votes Democrat 0% of the time, and in WV, Joe Manchin is the most liberal you're going to ever get. Even he's on borrowed time.
THE VOTE WAS 50-48. His vote absolutely mattered here! Wasn't this the reason why we keep him? Wasn't this the reason why he's there? To stop this shit?
I doubt that anyone here likes Manchin (I hate him, hes a transphobic piece of shit). But he wins elections, hes the 47th democrat in the senate.These Manchin threads are always the same. A cadre of Manchinsplainers giving us buckets of bullshit.
We have a dude saying he would vote for Trump under the right circumstances. Generally people would drag him for even considering supporting white supremacy. But he's a D in a red district so he gets a pass?
Thats the thing: how much of Sinema is "playing the game" and how much of it is her genuinely believing in being a moderate? I know she was a Green Party candidate a decade ago but...people change, and thats certainly something to be concerned about. We can only hope that she will show up when her vote matters.
Normally I agree with you but his vote would have made for a 49-49 tiebreaker, which would then be fixed by Pence pretty quickly. As horrible as it was, Joe did his thing and its arguable that it saved his West Virginia senate seat
A tie in the senate goes to the vice president, who is Mike Pence, who would definitely have voted in favor of Kavanaugh.
in the case of a tie, it would have been broken by pence so no it didn't matter unless you're not aware of how the senate works.
it was a calculated vote because of Collins he voted yes. Even if he voted no, pence would have broken the tie. He voted and his support in WV didn't drop. Welcome to politics
It really doesn't matter who Democrats in WV vote for in a primary, there aren't enough of them to win a statewide office in a general.
Yep.We have a dude saying he would vote for Trump under the right circumstances. Generally people would drag him for even considering supporting white supremacy. But he's a D in a red district so he gets a pass?
We have a dude saying he would vote for Trump under the right circumstances. Generally people would drag him for even considering supporting white supremacy. But he's a D in a red district so he gets a pass?
I mean. Do you get the context ? Manchin gets the independent vote, that's why he wins the state. Bernie won the SMALL democratic vote count in WV
He won because it was an open primary and republicans wanted to vote against Hillary.
The exit polls at the time showed most of the people who voted Bernie would vote Trump over him.
It was a fuck you vote, nothing more.
It really doesn't matter who Democrats in WV vote for in a primary, there aren't enough of them to win a statewide office in a general.
Glad we're at the point where this is celebrated as smart rather than be appalled that our system has degraded to this point. Oh and these "oh you naive idiot" posts are really making me see your side where you stan hard for someone who votes a rapist into the Supreme Court, whose effect will be felt on the country for decades. I'm sure all those women and minorities that will suffer thanks to his influence will be completely understanding that political gaming mattered to him more than their lives.
Glad we're at the point where this is celebrated as smart rather than be appalled that our system has degraded to this point. Oh and these "oh you naive idiot" posts are really making me see your side where you stan hard for someone who votes a rapist into the Supreme Court, whose effect will be felt on the country for decades. I'm sure all those women and minorities that will suffer thanks to his influence will be completely understanding that political gaming mattered to him more than their lives.
So here is the stat
Manchin votes with democrats 50% of the time
If Manchin were to vote with democrats 80-100% of the time, he would lose his seat in next election
If a Republican were a Senator in WV, that Republican would vote 0% of the time with democrats
what would you rather have . Someone with principle and lose his seat to a Republican or someone who keeps his seat and votes with democrats 50% of the time
what is the best outcome for democrats in long run ?
you know the answer
Why am I included on this list of quotes? I am explaining how Bernie plans to use the bully pulpit to whip the votes he needs from Manchins of the worldGlad we're at the point where this is celebrated as smart rather than be appalled that our system has degraded to this point. Oh and these "oh you naive idiot" posts are really making me see your side where you stan hard for someone who votes a rapist into the Supreme Court, whose effect will be felt on the country for decades. I'm sure all those women and minorities that will suffer thanks to his influence will be completely understanding that political gaming mattered to him more than their lives.
Most of the posts you quoted arent celebrating anything, they were explaining things to you (I wont defend Otherworldly tho). Do you think that anyone here is happy that Kavanaugh is in the SC? From a moral standpoint, Machin"s vote is repugnant, obviously.Glad we're at the point where this is celebrated as smart rather than be appalled that our system has degraded to this point.
Why am I included on this list of quotes? I am explaining how Bernie plans to use the bully pulpit to whip the votes he needs from Manchins of the world
Why am I included on this list of quotes? I am explaining how Bernie plans to use the bully pulpit to whip the votes he needs from Manchins of the world
And yet he wants to vote for the person who wants to kill the ACA and make more tax cuts. It's sending mixed signals.
Yes.We have a dude saying he would vote for Trump under the right circumstances. Generally people would drag him for even considering supporting white supremacy. But he's a D in a red district so he gets a pass?
I love how you're concerned about purity testing from the left when this is a democratic senator talking about voting for a RepublicanI see we're having our daily purity test early today.
The dude is from West Virginia. Is it really surprising to you that that state is not a hotbed of Bernie support?
Lmao!!! #bothsides. That's one hell of a balancing act, I would secretly hate my constituents.
I'm not comfortable with not holding politicians accountable because it "didn't matter." It matters. It always matters. If we can't hold them accountable for their votes then what the hell are we doing? Just analyzing polls?But again, from a politics angle, his vote did not matter, at all. Please understand: The only tangible change that would have happened if he had voted yes is that instead of having 47 senate seats, the democrats might had have 46 right now.
I'm not comfortable with not holding politicians accountable because it "didn't matter." It matters. It always matters. If we can't hold them accountable for their votes then what the hell are we doing? Just analyzing polls?
I'm not comfortable with not holding politicians accountable because it "didn't matter." It matters. It always matters. If we can't hold them accountable for their votes then what the hell are we doing? Just analyzing polls?
I'm not comfortable with not holding politicians accountable because it "didn't matter." It matters. It always matters. If we can't hold them accountable for their votes then what the hell are we doing? Just analyzing polls?
The only people that have the power to make a difference here have a voting record that would make you significantly uncomfortable, though.I'm not comfortable with not holding politicians accountable because it "didn't matter." It matters. It always matters. If we can't hold them accountable for their votes then what the hell are we doing? Just analyzing polls?
Seeing this juxtaposed with all the "pragmatic" posting is kind of...not a good feeling.
Is his jacket on the right made of cashmere? How is it all rippled like that?
In this case "holding him accountable" would be the people of West Virginia voting him out of office for going against their wishes.I'm not comfortable with not holding politicians accountable because it "didn't matter." It matters. It always matters. If we can't hold them accountable for their votes then what the hell are we doing? Just analyzing polls?
I forgot that Sanders was running for Senator of WV. I also forgot that he won WV in the general election.
Winning a state primary is not the same as winning an election. Manchin is a WV democrat is a state that is solid red. We DO need him.
Accountability is not just having the power to vote him in or out. Criticism is a part of accountability and I don't need to be his constituent in order to do that.The only people that have the power to make a difference here have a voting record that would make you significantly uncomfortable, though.
Accountability is not just having the power to vote him in or out. Criticism is a part of accountability and I don't need to be his constituent in order to do that.
Politics is always a game. Imagine an alternate reality where Manchin has a history of making his irrelevant votes blue in order to not look gross to liberals.Oh and these "oh you naive idiot" posts are really making me see your side where you stan hard for someone who votes a rapist into the Supreme Court, whose effect will be felt on the country for decades. I'm sure all those women and minorities that will suffer thanks to his influence will be completely understanding that political gaming mattered to him more than their lives.
He just says he's a socialistSanders is a socialist, how do you think that sells outside the coasts?
He'd hedging his bets obviously
No it didn't.THE VOTE WAS 50-48. His vote absolutely mattered here! Wasn't this the reason why we keep him? Wasn't this the reason why he's there? To stop this shit?
Are you sure??
Because I'm really confident that Sanders could totally surmount a +42% 2016 victory vs. Trump
Gotta trust that gut, you centrist neoliberal
THE VOTE WAS 50-48. His vote absolutely mattered here! Wasn't this the reason why we keep him? Wasn't this the reason why he's there? To stop this shit?
Is this sarcasm?
The last time WV voted blue was 1996. You think you can get a more liberal Senator in WV than Manchin? You realize we'd like to take back the Senate?
I mean, we can criticize him all we want. I hate Manchin, I hate that hes a part of the democratic senate, and he supports many stupid things like deregulation and the like.I'm not comfortable with not holding politicians accountable because it "didn't matter." It matters. It always matters. If we can't hold them accountable for their votes then what the hell are we doing? Just analyzing polls?
Here's his voting record showing when he did, and didn't, vote in line with Trump.How many votes has that 50% of the time actually benefited the dem parrty's ideals? This isn't rhetorical, I'm really wondering.