I'm shocked that anyone here would defend Boyega after his comments about Kelly Marie Tran.
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I'm shocked that anyone here would defend Boyega after his comments about Kelly Marie Tran.
I'm shocked that anyone here would defend Boyega after his comments about Kelly Marie Tran.
The rian Johnson hive is something else. Now John Boyega is being called a classless ass on twitter because he didn't like the arc of his character
I'm shocked that anyone here would defend Boyega after his comments about Kelly Marie Tran.
I'm shocked that anyone here would defend Boyega after his comments about Kelly Marie Tran.
Yea, assuming the transcript is accurate, that's def not a good comment from John.
I'm shocked that anyone here would defend Boyega after his comments about Kelly Marie Tran.
Uh I'm allowed to pick and choose what I want to defend and think about.I'm shocked that anyone here would defend Boyega after his comments about Kelly Marie Tran.
They haven't seen it yet. Unless this is going to become the official Boyega thread, someone should go make a thread on it.
It's on Variety now
GOAT post. Good job :)you have no idea what you're talking about lmao
Obviously if you define 'mystery box' as the bolded above, you are poisoning the well from the outset.
You are defining 'mystery box' as something that is assumed to have failed from the get-go. This makes no sense, as it's up to whomever completes a story to ensure that any checkov's guns are resolved. Once again, franchise authorship is about "Yes, and" not "No, but"
As I said above,
If a "mystery box" is resolved satisfactorily, it's a fantastic literary technique, as you've successfully roped your audience in and kept them wanting more through the conclusion. This is the foundation of any mystery novel. The risk is the conclusion not living up to audience expectations, and that's a risk in every mystery screenplay
Your definition of "mystery box" as "something that is resolved in an unsatisfying way" is especially wrong, since JJ himself popularized the term. Why would he coin a term about his own work failing?
J.J's description of a "mystery box" is much better than yours. He describes it as "the withholding of information", something which is done to create intrigue for the viewer, which keeps the viewer engaged and wanting more.
The best irony here is if you play his explanation starting from 8:37 he literally uses ANH as his example of how mystery boxes make intriguing stories and starts rattling off a bunch that I didn't even include. By the man who coined the term's own definition, ANH is full of mystery boxes, and that's what has made it a timeless movie. And he's right
It's silly to think Obi-Wan's past with Vader is not a "mystery box" in the same regard. We hear a number of throw-away lines about their relationship in ANH, but we are given no substance. This is by design, it's meant to make us want more information.
The same is the case with Han's background. We are given just enough to wonder what he did, what he owes, and who he owe's it to.
Or Luke's heritage and what make's him special. We are told his father is a "jedi knight". We have no idea what that us, we have no idea how it relates to this mysterious 'force' we've learned very little about.
I'd love to know how these setups are any different than leaving Snoke's history ambiguous (he's even introduced the same way as the Emperor) or leaving Rey's parentage just about as ambiguous as Luke's were. The only real difference with TFA is that it has prior work in the franchise that it's building on, which invariably pushes mysteries like Snoke or Rey's birth to the forefront. In TFA's case, we already have a structure from which we can make inferences about these mysteries, a structure ANH's audience did not have. This is what drives entitled fan theories. This is hardly JJ's fault.
Concerning the criticism of JJ's use of mystery boxes, I know most of this comes from Lost, but as far as I'm aware, JJ was barely involved with Lost beyond the beginning of Season 1. Lost was huge, and it fed on the mystery box hype. JJ's approach was successful in making Lost a big event. It's not JJ's fault the people who were left to continue what he started weren't up to snuff. The same can be said about TFA. Blaming JJ becuase Rain didn't want to properly follow up on the intrigue laid out for him is bizarre. Imagine if ESB was written with the same disregard for the setups in the prior movie
I will not deny that JJ leans heavily on mystery boxes in TFA, and leaves a lot dangling at the end (too much for my tastes even), but JJ knew this was going to be the first of a three part series, so it's hard to fault him for setting things up that the audience could look forward to. ANH did not have the luxury of knowing there would be follow ups. As a result, the unsolved mysteries are not as overt
Props to JJ for actually creating intrigue and a reason to look forward to the next installment; something many feel TLJ lacked
Yeah, sounds like this. Doesn't seem like he's calling her "mentally weak" but rather that you need to be strong, as you say. The whole answer is a bit rambling, so I wouldn't cancel the dude just yet.I think that was a very horribly worded way of saying you have to be strong online and ignore all the assholes and not let them get to you when you're a public figure
Lol wat8 days left. Will a single actor survive the press tour?
Daisy is gone. Boyega is finished. JJ is on the edge. The fuck is going on
Multiple cases of fatal debilitating foot-in-mouthLol wat
Folks, take a deep breath, we still got a week before this thing is even out.
Some dumb things were said. No one is cancelled or finished.
8 days left. Will a single person survive the press tour?
Daisy is gone. Boyega is finished. JJ is on the edge. The fuck is going on
Being in this position, you just understand the masses, how the masses think, you know. Through social media, we get to engage, we get to have fun. But at the same time, for those who are not mentally strong, you are weak to believe in every single thing that you read. That's, you know, it is what it is. I don't know, for me anyway, when I see that [backlash], I'm like, well, that's actually not true. But no, it is actually not true. So it's kind of like [shrugs] it is what it is. But to engage, to connect with the fans who otherwise wouldn't get a day to day experience, especially during things like the press tour, and behind the scenes stuff, is always good.
At this point it doesnt even matter what people actually say, there's always great thinkers who twist and turn their words. Like the people claiming JJ was pushing back against Last Jedi lately
Adam Driver can do no wrong. Partly because he's Adam Driver, partly because he has barely been doing anything during this press tour.8 days left. Will a single person survive the press tour?
Daisy is gone. Boyega is finished. JJ is on the edge. The fuck is going on
Adam Driver can do no wrong. Partly because he's Adam Driver, partly because he has barely been doing anything during this press tour.
Yeah, Finn got totally dumped on after a very strong showing in TFA. Luke's arc was interesting, I thought, so I'm cool with that one. Finn (and Poe) though? lol
I'm a Rian Johnson fan because of Breaking Bad episodes Fly and Ozymandias. Those are literally two of the best scripted things I have ever seen and the pinnacle of an already great series, the latter especially. But TLJ is definitely one of his weaker works.
It's like the only thing they could remember about Finn from TFA was 'I'm here to save Rey' and not everything that happened after that moment.
It's a shame BossAttack is banned right now.
This thread was made for him.
I don't want to make this a race-thing, but I live in a neighborhood full of black kids who saw this trailer - this MOMENT - and couldn't stop talking about it.
I remember that positivity and excitement hearing all about his character. It was here - a major Star Wars movie starring a prominent black hero in a major leading role. While the Rey swerve was still cool, I also remember the hype for Finn after that was... quieter. A lot of the kids were saying they were hoping he'd come back in a big way in the next movie, because they were invested in him since the first trailer shot of the new trilogy.
And instead he just... was kicked to the side.
We have a new Star Wars movie in about 11 days, and nobody is talking about Finn. And why should they? He doesn't matter anymore. He's not important. He's not in a leading role. He's just... there. Along for the ride.
Another token black sidekick.
Those kids who were so eager for a major hero moved on to Black Panther, and I don't blame them.
Well in tfa you had the "Oh yea?! I'm in charge now!" part and he says something similar to chrome dome. "I'll blast that bucket off your head!"
Boy, it hurt being in the shadow realm while this thread popped.
Nothing else really needs to be said beyond this. What was done to Finn is criminal.
Everyone knows I think TLJ is FAAAAARRRRRR superior to the tried ass TFA, but the one thing that movie did right was setup it's new characters. And Finn, despite some hiccups, had great potential. Rian fucking dropped the ball HARD there. When the opening shot of Finn is a fucking gag, you basically announced that this character was going to be a carny ass nigga. Just image, just IMAGINE if what was done to Finn was done to Rey. No fucking body would be calling that shit just some great natural arc, there'd be screams of sexism.
I need to point no further than the difference between Finn in TFA than Finn in TLJ that the gif above. Finn knows he's outmatched by Kylo yet picks up a saber to defend his friend, putting up a valiant fight before being sliced. At no point does he joke during the encounter, there are no words. Just fear, followed by bravery. Now compare that hype moment to Finn fighting Phasma, WHAT THE FUCK WAS HE DOING YELLING CHROME DOME?! Is he Will Smith? How does that even fit his character? When did his character become a quip machine? He never did that before, why is he doing that now? Why is he mocking imperial armor he's seen and worn his whole life? The fact that, that made it in but the seen that actually played to the strengths of his character's backstory was cut is just baffling.
JJ fix Finn. Do it.
I was actually thinking that it was kind of cool that Finn was someone who got to wield a light saber a few times during TFA despite not being a Jedi. I'm thinking, why not continue on with that? The First Order has developed laser weapons that are bascally lightsabers without being actual lightsabers, like with the red guards and even stormtroopers have electrified weaponry. And Finn has the same training storm troopers have and he fights Phasma with that electrified tonfa thing.
Boy, it hurt being in the shadow realm while this thread popped.
Nothing else really needs to be said beyond this. What was done to Finn is criminal.
Everyone knows I think TLJ is FAAAAARRRRRR superior to the tried ass TFA, but the one thing that movie did right was setup it's new characters. And Finn, despite some hiccups, had great potential. Rian fucking dropped the ball HARD there. When the opening shot of Finn is a fucking gag, you basically announced that this character was going to be a carny ass nigga. Just image, just IMAGINE if what was done to Finn was done to Rey. No fucking body would be calling that shit just some great natural arc, there'd be screams of sexism.
I need to point no further than the difference between Finn in TFA than Finn in TLJ that the gif above. Finn knows he's outmatched by Kylo yet picks up a saber to defend his friend, putting up a valiant fight before being sliced. At no point does he joke during the encounter, there are no words. Just fear, followed by bravery. Now compare that hype moment to Finn fighting Phasma, WHAT THE FUCK WAS HE DOING YELLING CHROME DOME?! Is he Will Smith? How does that even fit his character? When did his character become a quip machine? He never did that before, why is he doing that now? Why is he mocking imperial armor he's seen and worn his whole life? The fact that, that made it in but the seen that actually played to the strengths of his character's backstory was cut is just baffling.
JJ fix Finn. Do it.
Boy, it hurt being in the shadow realm while this thread popped.
Nothing else really needs to be said beyond this. What was done to Finn is criminal.
Everyone knows I think TLJ is FAAAAARRRRRR superior to the tried ass TFA, but the one thing that movie did right was setup it's new characters. And Finn, despite some hiccups, had great potential. Rian fucking dropped the ball HARD there. When the opening shot of Finn is a fucking gag, you basically announced that this character was going to be a carny ass nigga. Just image, just IMAGINE if what was done to Finn was done to Rey. No fucking body would be calling that shit just some great natural arc, there'd be screams of sexism.
I need to point no further than the difference between Finn in TFA than Finn in TLJ that the gif above. Finn knows he's outmatched by Kylo yet picks up a saber to defend his friend, putting up a valiant fight before being sliced. At no point does he joke during the encounter, there are no words. Just fear, followed by bravery.
JJ fix Finn. Do it.
Why were you banned, fam?Boy, it hurt being in the shadow realm while this thread popped.
Yes yes yes.
Boy, it hurt being in the shadow realm while this thread popped.
Nothing else really needs to be said beyond this. What was done to Finn is criminal.
Everyone knows I think TLJ is FAAAAARRRRRR superior to the tried ass TFA, but the one thing that movie did right was setup it's new characters. And Finn, despite some hiccups, had great potential. Rian fucking dropped the ball HARD there. When the opening shot of Finn is a fucking gag, you basically announced that this character was going to be a carny ass nigga. Just image, just IMAGINE if what was done to Finn was done to Rey. No fucking body would be calling that shit just some great natural arc, there'd be screams of sexism.
I need to point no further than the difference between Finn in TFA than Finn in TLJ that the gif above. Finn knows he's outmatched by Kylo yet picks up a saber to defend his friend, putting up a valiant fight before being sliced. At no point does he joke during the encounter, there are no words. Just fear, followed by bravery. Now compare that hype moment to Finn fighting Phasma, WHAT THE FUCK WAS HE DOING YELLING CHROME DOME?! Is he Will Smith? How does that even fit his character? When did his character become a quip machine? He never did that before, why is he doing that now? Why is he mocking imperial armor he's seen and worn his whole life? The fact that, that made it in but the seen that actually played to the strengths of his character's backstory was cut is just baffling.
JJ fix Finn. Do it.
you were having too much of a chit chat?Oh, you know same ol', same ol'. A little of this, and a little of that.
Don't do no more of "this or that" for the next two weeks, minimum.Oh, you know same ol', same ol'. A little of this, and a little of that.
Don't do no more of "this or that" for the next two weeks, minimum.
I need you around in case we all come out of TROS and Finn still ain't shit...cause i will be yappin'.
Did you see his amazing pants in one of those recent cast photos? I have faith.I'll be a good boy, I promise.
JJ will be graded solely on whether he does Finn right. I know TROS will not break from his traditional mold, so it's the only thing I can hope he can accomplish.
I may have gone too far in a few places.