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JOKER Official Trailer 2
- Thread starter Kenzodielocke
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In the comics there's an origin. Multiple ones for different canons actually
If Joker is a murdering psycho, protagonist or not, he'll still be a villain — with or without Batman. This film'll simply be a character driven one, focusing on the tragic turn towards sociopathy.
A better comparison would be Michael Douglas in Falling Down
I didn't think a joker movie without batman would interest me at all but...damn I am interested after seeing that!
I'm not talking about it as in a generalized term. I meant it as a Joker movie. They could have called this anything else and I'd be fine with how they want to represent mental illness.
But a Joker is not evil because he has a mental illness. He is supposed to represent that any one of us no matter how normal we are are just one bad day away from going insane.
Not that a mental illness person is a whole life of bad days away from becoming insane.
And yet no one has said this is THE definitive take on the character. Only you are claiming this.
I'm asking where did you actually hear this being the definitive Joker movie? Who's mouthpiece did these words actually come out of?
It's THE definitive take in the way every super hero movie is supposed to be THE definitive take on the character. That's how the marketing is presenting it, that's how audiences are supposed to take it. It's not hard so don't "well, actually" me about it.
Also I didn't say there shouldn't be multiple takes on the Joker, just that the character doesn't work as a main character of his own film.
I'm hyped!
They must be confused time travellers from the WW2 era, seeing nazis everywhere.
They must be confused time travellers from the WW2 era, seeing nazis everywhere.
It's looking up to be one of the best takes on a super hero property. So sure, I'll take it as a definitive (whatever that means). Hopefully it influences other creators too.
I love Breaking Bad and that took the time to show the consequences of Walt's actions by also building up his supporting cast and show how it affected them. Walt was a "villain" as in he became a bad person, but he wasn't a "villain" in comic book terms, in Joker terms, where he was never sympathetic and always a "bad guy". Walt or more of an "anti-hero, and many fans of the show take him that way ot even as a straight up hero because he gets what he wants at the end, you just have to ignore the cost. It think there is a difference between giving a villain nuance and making them relatable and recasting a light on them to show they were always a normal person who turned bad.
You're clearly misinterpreting the intent by the filmmakers. I'm not sure what you're seeing in the marketing that convinces you this is supposed to be the definitive take on a character that's been around for 80+ years.
That is a very bad comparison to make, and highlights a problem people have been trying to say about this movie, which is it turns a villain like Joker into a "white devil" narrative. A narrative we definitely do not need right now, socially.
The white devil narrative is usually for antiheroes, but fits here: put upon central character ultimately hurts everyone around them because they believe their actions are justified because of the monsters in their world. The obstacles. The acceptable targets. It's their way of exerting social dominance while dangling the typical insecurities.
I'm hoping those acceptable targets don't happen to be PoCs like it normally is.
From the get go it was them saying this was going to be unique take, then everyone saw the first trailers, and people were super hyped about said unique take. The tagline of this movie might as well be "UNIQUE TAKE".
I don't think the comparison is that bad. I think it's apt. More than Spiderman anyway.
Whether the comparison means that there is an underlying social irresponsibility here, that's different. We can discuss that. Folks and their worried talk about an alt-right co-opt is happening in this thread in fact.
If you mean that Douglas' character and Joker aren't comparable. Explain further. I'm willing to change my opinion if your argument on that front is compelling.
I can understand people not liking the direction but I don't see how anyone can look at the cinematography in this movie and say it looks flat. No modern comic superhero movie property is going this direction so you calling it generic is just laughable to me.
Where did I say that?
I'm saying just because Batman is a hero and Joker is a villain in the comics, that relationship isn't one that exists here, nor with this different take on Joker.
If you are genuinely trying to understand my "issue", as in what was the point of the first post I made that people were taking in all sorts of other directions, I'm saying that the framing of a character who has the world picking on him being a rationalization for a person to become a villain strikes me as bullshit off the bat and I wish it would go away.
Granted, people that have hard lives deal with negativity that makes it tough to make the right decisions, and everybody struggles, but if you want to do a character study on how someone "turns bad", focusing on external factors being a driving cause isn't the best way to do it.
Yeah I mean the former. If the movie handles his rise to prominence irresponsibly, like I feel Falling Down does, it could have more damage because of where we are at socially.
I should have been clearer on the bad part. I mean to say a movie like Falling Down would be a bad look right now. I also feel that way about Three Billboards, but that movie wasn't that popular.
If Joker is like any of those, cinematography be damned, it's bringing potential harm right now.
Ok. So you don't buy the narrative.
Sorry for misunderstanding the first post, but tbf, you were vague. This post explains your position better.
I think vague is an understatement. All of their other posts were like charades.
That movie has been out for decades and it's called The King of Comedy .
You and me both, WB has no clue how to handle DC property's. We got like 3 decent films out of them, one being great.
This thread is insufferable. Phoenix is an incredible actor. I'll reserve judgement until the movie comes out. Bye...
Is cancel culture really bout to extend to whole ass movies now or what?
Oh wait I forgot The Hunt
Oh wait I forgot The Hunt
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To be fair, people responding "how can a hero be like a villain??" weren't even reading the context of what I wrote and I mainly had to respond to all those posts taking my words and twisting them around.
Well, I'm still intrigued. Will be worth it even if it isn't a good movie just to se Joaquin deliver.
Todd Philips managed to pull an amazing performance out of Jonah Hill. So I think at the very least this movie is going to have great acting.
Lol. 11 pages into this thread and I'm seeing 10x more comments decrying "hand wringing" culture than actual comments "hand wringing" about the film.
Hand Wringers: " Given Todd Phillips track record I'm concerned about how he'll handle the topic of mental illness. I hope it isn't overly exploitative or uncritically glorifies the actions of the main character."
Ant-Hand Wringers: " PC cancel culture has run amuck."
I think its a combination of actor and cinematography hype. The original teaser looked great but the more I see/hear about the movie the less interested I am. I'm getting serious Super 8 vibes but instead of Spielberg its just a pastiche of Martin Scorsese films with the Joker thrown in. It could be great but I'm not really sold atm.
Hand Wringers: " Given Todd Phillips track record I'm concerned about how he'll handle the topic of mental illness. I hope it isn't overly exploitative or uncritically glorifies the actions of the main character."
Ant-Hand Wringers: " PC cancel culture has run amuck."
I think its a combination of actor and cinematography hype. The original teaser looked great but the more I see/hear about the movie the less interested I am. I'm getting serious Super 8 vibes but instead of Spielberg its just a pastiche of Martin Scorsese films with the Joker thrown in. It could be great but I'm not really sold atm.
The idea is to tell interesting stories that aren't part of a connected universe. That is the desire of pretty much everyone involved in Joker. They want to do an interesting one off film that doesn't have to lead to anything or tie into some overarching story.
