Yes it was. Elma being in Ultimare still has nothing to do with Shulk whatsoever. Even if they didn't add Shulk in 4, there was no guarantee he would have made it to Ultimate due to the other Ultimate newcomers. Once again, it's Elma vs Ridley, K Rool, Simon, etc.
There are only six unique newcomers in the base game: three super mainstream characters from massive series (Inkling, Isabelle, Incineroar), and three of the most fervently requested characters (Ridley, King K. Rool, Simon). Realistically, why would Elma have been included over any of those? She's a really niche character to have such high hopes for.
Lara is owned by a company with a reputation of being REALLY hard to work with and has a share of IP's that are probably gonna be a lot more attractive to the people working on this game.(unless you really think Tomb Raider deserves to get in before DQ and FF in which case we are simply not going to agree.)
Frankly if you want a female fighter from Square it'd probably be more likely if you asked for 2B.
Where did I say that Lara couldn't get in? I was just describing her.
The rest is not excuses but just facts. You didn't bring a single good argument for Nintendo to do it outside of "it'd make representation better". Which is cool, but has nothing to do with Smash. I'm sure they have no issues bringing in more female characters, but again, popular characters are the ones getting in via DLC. The rest will get in via the main release of a game.
Again, you're acting like it's Nintendo's job to solve the industry issues. They have their most important female characters in the game. Some third party ones and smaller ones are in the game via mii costumes, spirits or assist trophies. Not everyone is getting in, male or female. It's a game celebrating the industry's iconic franchises and characters, not about making the industry better.
If not Elma then who else?
I mean for Smash especially Ultimate's launch roster that's kinda exactly how it works.That's not really how it works.
Imagine asking this in the workplace. What matters are outcomes. And the outcome is a lack of representation.
Goro is so forgettable he doesn't even make it into the team picture
Maybe he's the one taking it
Where did I say that Lara couldn't get in? I was just describing her.
The rest is not excuses but just facts. You didn't bring a single good argument for Nintendo to do it outside of "it'd make representation better". Which is cool, but has nothing to do with Smash. I'm sure they have no issues bringing in more female characters, but again, popular characters are the ones getting in via DLC. The rest will get in via the main release of a game.
Again, you're acting like it's Nintendo's job to solve the industry issues. They have their most important female characters in the game. Some third party ones and smaller ones are in the game via mii costumes, spirits or assist trophies. Not everyone is getting in, male or female. It's a game celebrating the industry's iconic franchises and characters, not about making the industry better.
(Ignoring exceptions constantly made for niche male characters)
That's the truth. We can have different values and discuss the merits of these values. But let's be honest about it instead of making excuses. To you and Nintendo, getting currently popular characters in is more important than representation.
All the background characters probably took away from the budget for that outfit. Would have been sick though.I aint gone lie, I'm hella disappointed we didn't get Garou Terry as a costume change
She's also belongs to Square which in addition to being a pain in the ass to work with has a crap ton of Japanese franchises that probably take priority.Lara Croft is by far the biggest female character in gaining besides Princess Peach, Zelda, and maybe Chun-Li. She'd be a huge pick for DLC.
Yep. People will shoot down popular female characters by claiming there's more important popular male characters first in line but don't bat an eye when the likes of Joker and Terry get in before Chun-Li or Lara Croft.
Elma instead of corrin.I mean for Smash especially Ultimate's launch roster that's kinda exactly how it works.
I never asked for Ridley or K Rool but I understand exactly why they got in before Elma.
I mean that's fair but they were talking about Ultimate not 4. I'm a Fire Emblem Fates fan and even I think that would have been better.
Elma is likely a casuality of how ultimate's roster was made. In a traditional smash 5, she is like 98% sure getting in along with some other ones. With ultimate being fanfocused, at least for the launch roster, she doesn't fit.I mean that's fair but they were talking about Ultimate not 4. I'm a Fire Emblem Fates fan and even I think that would have been better.
"Sakurai gives Smash fans what fighting game fans want."
As an "avatar" of every human being, NiGHTS is neither male nor female. (Still, I'd LOVE to fight with them in Smash!)Well if you want to balance the male/female ratio.
This is the list of potential third party characters that are female, that I can think of:
.n_n.Capcom:
Jill Valentine (Resident Evil)
Hunter (Monster Hunter)
Amaterasu (Okami)
Morrigan (Darkstalkers)
Chun-Li (Street Fighter)
Square Enix:
Lara Croft (Tomb Rider)
2B (NieR: Automata)
SEGA:
Nights (NiGHTS)
Marvelous:
Asuka (Senran Kagura)
Koei Tecmo:
Kasumi (Dead or Alive)
Bandai Namco:
KOS-MOS (Xenosaga)
Haruka Amami (The Idolm@ster)
Team Shanghai Alice
Reimu Hakurei (Touhou Project)
Microsoft:
Joanna Dark (Perfect Dark)
Activision / Blizzard:
Sylvanas Windrunner / Jaina Proudmoore (World of Warcraft)
Sarah Kerrigan (Starcraft)
Tracer (Overwatch)
Electronic Arts:
Commander Shepard (Mass Effect)
Morrigan (Dragon Age)
Riot:
Ashe (League of Legends)
Valve:
Chell (Portal)
I thought the same.Man, hearing Sakurai talk about fighting games makes me wish he would do a more traditional, 2D fighting game for Nintendo.
You should add Tifa to the Square list imo.Well if you want to balance the male/female ratio.
This is the list of potential third party characters that are female, that I can think of:
.n_n.Capcom:
Jill Valentine (Resident Evil)
Hunter (Monster Hunter)
Amaterasu (Okami)
Morrigan (Darkstalkers)
Chun-Li (Street Fighter)
Square Enix:
Lara Croft (Tomb Rider)
2B (NieR: Automata)
SEGA:
Nights (NiGHTS)
Marvelous:
Asuka (Senran Kagura)
Koei Tecmo:
Kasumi (Dead or Alive)
Bandai Namco:
KOS-MOS (Xenosaga)
Haruka Amami (The Idolm@ster)
Team Shanghai Alice
Reimu Hakurei (Touhou Project)
Microsoft:
Joanna Dark (Perfect Dark)
Activision / Blizzard:
Sylvanas Windrunner / Jaina Proudmoore (World of Warcraft)
Sarah Kerrigan (Starcraft)
Tracer (Overwatch)
Electronic Arts:
Commander Shepard (Mass Effect)
Morrigan (Dragon Age)
Riot:
Ashe (League of Legends)
Valve:
Chell (Portal)
Good to know, sorry for the mistake.As an "avatar" of every human being, NiGHTS is neither male nor female. (Still, I'd LOVE to fight with them in Smash!)
Man, hearing Sakurai talk about fighting games makes me wish he would do a more traditional, 2D fighting game for Nintendo.
Understandable when he went into so much detail into them.Interesting how much people are reacting to the absence of a background character.
Add Lightning or Terra instead.
While that certainly looks better than what's in the game, I still think the Smash version of a lot of the characters look better than that. Maybe I just prefer the more classic looks of the Smash version.
Interesting how much people are reacting to the absence of a background character.
Interesting how much people are reacting to the absence of a background character.
Actually, that's Nakoruru. Mai is in 4th.
So the best formula is pick recognizable then make them fun.
I aint gone lie, I'm hella disappointed we didn't get Garou Terry as a costume change
the counter argument would be that Sakurai can come up with a fun and interesting moveset for most characters
Honestly, the idea of characters being inherently fun to play has always seemed weird to me.
Interesting how much people are reacting to the absence of a background character.
Interesting how much people are reacting to the absence of a background character.