NC House of Reps holds surprise vote while dems at 9/11 ceremony to override Gov Cooper's veto after promising Dems that no vote would take place

LegendofJoe

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Oct 28, 2017
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I mean is it really naive to think that the GOP wouldn't use a 9/11 ceremony to sneak through some underhanded BS? There are one or two lines they likely won't cross, but this in hindsight obviously isn't one of them.

Fuck them 9/11 victims and the people of North Carolina right Yall-Qaedists?
 

samoyed

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Oct 26, 2017
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I mean is it really naive to think that the GOP wouldn't use a 9/11 ceremony to sneak through some underhanded BS? There are one or two lines they likely won't cross, but this obviously isn't one of them.

Fuck them 9/11 victims and the people of North Carolina right Yall-Qaedists?
Given how they handled the 9/11 hearing with Jon Stewart, yes, it’s absolutely a line they’d cross because they’ve already crossed it before, multiple times.

Edit: I misread your post but I’m going to leave up my words anyway
 

Pooh

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like you guys are being purposely obtuse. The anger at Republicans goes without saying. You can still chide Democrats for YET AGAIN playing as Charlie Brown with the football.

Ultimately people are RELYING ON Democrats to be smarter than this. For some reason Dems have a hard time recognizing that it's dumb to play by the rules when the other side refuses to. But time and time again the Dems play chess and when they say check or checkmate, Republicans just flip the board.

So yes, Republicans are at fault for this. Everyone knows that. But just like we can be angry with Democrats for not pursuing impeachment despite Trump and the GOP committing the actual crimes, we can be angry with a Democratic party that repeatedly falls for this kind of shit.

Moore said he took exception to the attacks made by Cooper and other Democrats Wednesday morning following the vote.

“It was properly noticed,” Moore said. “It’s a great day for North Carolina.”

Moore said it is his job as house speaker to see the budget that was passed by majority become law.

“All they had to do was show up to work,” Moore said in regards to Democrats.
These are the people Dems are working with, and they actually BELIEVE THEM when they make promises!
 

Strike

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Oct 25, 2017
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Civility, Decorum, Reason, They go low, etc. The Democrats should've learned by now that the GOP are inherently bad faith actors.
 

Double 0

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Nov 5, 2017
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Consider me unconvinced. There are a few people in this thread who would blame the Dems for just about any vile shit the GOP does instead of focusing the blame where it belongs.

I want to see what NC’s political and apolitical spheres plan to do about this Republican Party.

Personally, I’d do whatever I could to oust them. Extrajudicially.
 

samoyed

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Oct 26, 2017
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For the first and what will probably not be the last time, you cannot hold anyone accountable by clutching your moral pearls. You need to control the law and Dem politicians seem to really struggle with this idea and think they can hold people accountable by blasting them in the NYT.
 

LegendofJoe

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The representative that voraciously talked down the Speaker, Deb Butler, told him that the people of NC would make him pay. Do you know what his response was? "Not today."

These people don't give a fuck about norms, mutal respect, democracy, or the rule of law (unless they write it).
 
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djplaeskool

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Oct 26, 2017
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They even sent out emails confirming that there'd be no votes in the morning session.
Consider what little trust one could possibly muster in the NCGOP completely void.

 

Wraith

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No shame. Democracy is a game to them, and they'll cheat every chance they get because they serve their party first, not their constituents, not their state, not their country. They'll look you in the eyes and tell you "2+2=5" and call you a tool of partisan obstruction if you dare disagree.
 

Nepenthe

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Oct 25, 2017
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One day we'll stop thinking of the GOP as anything but filthy liars, even if conservative constituents hypocritically complain about Dems being oppressive by not playing ball.
 

JealousKenny

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Jul 17, 2018
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Everyone knows they're the most evil state party. They've been it for years. It's the job of the Dems in office to not let this shit happen. None of them should have went to the 9/11 ceremony. Don't let them win.
You have it wrong, ALL of them should have went to the 9/11 ceremony. They couldnt hold a vote without some democrats showing up.
 

Pooh

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Oct 25, 2017
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Again: Yes, the GOP is evil. So why can't elected Dems understand this? It is absolutely fine to be mad at a party that seemingly refuses to accept this reality, especially because Republicans keep getting away with it, never get punished in any real way, and as a result the public pays the price despite doing the only thing they can do (vote).

Republicans: "OK, we're gonna hold the football, and you kick it."
Democrats: "Sounds good."
Voters: "Don't! They're gonna pull the football away again."
Democrats: "They would never do that."
Voters: "They've done it EVERY TIME!"
Republicans: "We won't do it this time though, promise."
Democrats: "See? They promised."
Voters: "So what happens when they pull the football again?"
Democrats: "They can't, it's against the rules."

Then the Republicans pull the football away and Democrats end up on their asses and are somehow SHOCKED... and then go back for another go around!
 

ibyea

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't know what is so ridiculous to ask for my political party to wield the levers of power effectively and not fall into traps one can see a million miles ahead.
 

Jexhius

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Oct 25, 2017
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That's a "dirty trick" as it were, but guess what, that's what power is about. It's the fault of the Democrats who let it happen. Shame on them for not anticipating that the Republicans would do what they always do.
 

Helio

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Oct 28, 2017
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Again: Yes, the GOP is evil. So why can't elected Dems understand this? It is absolutely fine to be mad at a party that seemingly refuses to accept this reality, especially because Republicans keep getting away with it, never get punished in any real way, and as a result the public pays the price despite doing the only thing they can do (vote).

Republicans: "OK, we're gonna hold the football, and you kick it."
Democrats: "Sounds good."
Voters: "Don't! They're gonna pull the football away again."
Democrats: "They would never do that."
Voters: "They've done it EVERY TIME!"
Republicans: "We won't do it this time though, promise."
Democrats: "See? They promised."
Voters: "So what happens when they pull the football again?"
Democrats: "They can't, it's against the rules."

Then the Republicans pull the football away and Democrats end up on their asses and are somehow SHOCKED... and then go back for another go around!
And they never learn from the past. Every decision is made within a vacuum so we can’t take into account the GOPs duplicitous behavior.
 

fontguy

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Oct 8, 2018
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The victims are the people of NC, many of whom voted for Dems to protect them from this kind of shit.
👆👆👆

Seriously, fuck this “the Dem representatives are the victims here“ shit.

Dems can’t control the actions of the GOP, only their own. And the action they most often settle on when determining how to protect their constituents from the GOP is “just trust em” and/or nothing.
 

Clay

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Oct 29, 2017
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How is this even legal? Guess the GOP is past pretending they care about democracy?

And what's going on in NC? This seems huge, like there could potentially be rioting. Unreal.
 

Robochimp

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Oct 25, 2017
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Every NC GOPer who participated in this should be jailed immediately.
This isn’t how things work. The GOP did nothing illegal.

Everything they did is laid out in the state constitution.

Hold a legislative session
“Majority of members PRESENT.” Check

Override a veto
“three-fifths of the members of that house PRESENT and voting” Check
 

Captain_Cold

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Oct 30, 2017
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Seems the real idiots here are the 9 dems that did show up, allowing the required amount of members for a quorum. When they hold a majority, if most of the members are out then all of the members should be out.