Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA
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But we aren't talking about that. We are talking about the Sony side. Just because you have info on one side doesn't give you authority to make statements on the other side, which people will misinterpret when presented in an "insider" way.
And people did. Hence why his status as an insider had to be cleared by a mod and a clarification made to exactly what he was verified for. He doesn't know about PS5 and yet made a statement about its GPU decompression in the SSD like he did. He doesn't know about the dev kit results or precisely how powerful the PS5 is, any statements to that effect need to be taken with that into account.
The pro with the prose! It is funny to go on an alt and post in such a unique way that there is basically no chance it is anyone but Kayle
You called him a fake insider when he clearly isn't. We always knew what he was verified for, that's why people take him seriously. But yes, he should probably get himself verified again if he wants to leak more info. We don't really know the extent of what he knows.
no way there is microsoft gave chance to a sony be the Performance Leader I more trust in the BIG hint phil spencer do at them conference then a only tweet exciting unconfirmed (first party haha lol) developers they can call fanboy because I chose to believe vp head of xbox insted of random change of narrative anonymous sources
I present my evidence:
when vp spencer take the stage in announce crossfire he was only not announce new game but teasing the incredible work see will from Panay just think about it panay has added crossfire to P R O J E C T S C A R L E T T anaconda (the true performance leader( will actually is 2 lockearts in crossfire just about think it makes much sense and why not I believe just the words of journalist when it benefits PS5 change of narrative Xbox having crossfire locks the definatevly superior console to sony because you will link many xboxes using crossfire with deep partnership with doctor lisa shu and panos panay )))
Geezus I wished all the specs were just released already so that we can get over this dumb back and forth. Who cares if PS5 is stronger or if Scarlett is? Both will offer gigantic leap over current gen even over the X.
Both Anaconda and Lockhart will use GDDR6, I knew this last year and discussed these specs with many.
Arden and Argalus are on another level, and what I said 'find out' simply means someone finds the file contains Arden info.
That's pretty great stuff... Funny enough these mid end Navi cards feature nothing of that.. must be high end only
Few pages back when few known subject started saying most probably MS has hardware RT and Sony has software RT , he came in and said both have hardware RT. He couldn't bare witness 6 months more of that nonsense .thank u Matt haha
Sony changed their plans and went from $399 to $499. Thats how they got a more powerful system.
MS was already at $499 for their premium console. They cant go any higher because they were already at their max.
They might change the clocks just like they did last gen to reduce any difference, but last gen they had a much bigger console than Sony which allowed them to push the clocks a bit higher (853mhz vs 800 mhz and 1.7ghz vs 1.6 ghz). Didnt make much of a difference. most multiplats are 900p vs 1080p on the ps4.
The difference last gen was 50% when the consoles were fist announced. 40% at launch.There were some 720p games initially when devs were half assing ports and settled for 720p versions but since that first year, pretty much everything has been 900p. next gen the difference is going to be 10% max. thats not even going to register as a 3 fps increase in a 30 fps game because most games will be locked anyway. the games will be virtually identical.
all it did was bring out more of the "sony is always better" camp to come out and fight those who are "xbox will be better because of X reason".
this thread has become a s-show. i try to keep up in hopes to learn more about the next machines and instead i see conversations of why this or that may be more powerful... straight up negativity is drowning out those technical and informed posts i look forward to read...
i wish we had different threads for each tbh. i dont think i can handle this much toxicity anymore. sigh ...
Where did this info come from that Sony changed their timing? Is it just speculation based on missing e3 and Microsoft no longer being obvious about being more powerful? Are there any quotes or anonymous rumors? Or is this just ERA speculation?
Fucking hell some of you lot saying this thread is toxic. It got better when I ignored the ones who kept trying to instigate a console war, why not do the same?
There are a lot of good people in here that can sort the bullshit rumors out, I didn't mind lurking for a while during my insane work related hours because some of it was a joy to read.
If you think it was toxic because it seems that many are saying the PS5 might be stronger than Scarlett now, it was definitely the same when it was the opposite, except the annoyance was dished out by a different group of people.
There are a lot of good people in here that can sort the bullshit rumors out, I didn't mind lurking for a while during my insane work related hours because some of it was a joy to read.
If you think it was toxic because it seems that many are saying the PS5 might be stronger than Scarlett now, it was definitely the same when it was the opposite, except the annoyance was dished out by a different group of people.
Everything is speculation or rumor now, nothing is confirmed.
Rumors were that Sony was targetting 2019, but pushed it back.
Rumors were that Microsoft would have the stronger console because of the extra time.
Rumors say that developers say that PS5 currently has stronger DevKits.
All rumors.
I just think it's highly unprofessional of a gaming journalist to even post about rumors like this. Just my honest opinion.
Why? It's what he heard from his developer friends/sources. It's just a rumor, you don't need to believe it.
I hear you, just wondering if the rumors were reliable or not. Like someone verified here saying it, or the Reiner rumor that might carry more weight then just wild speculation.
Andrew Reiner isn't going to post something without hearing it from multiple trusted sources.
Reiner is like the only person with their real name known to side one way or another on he power debate, even if only a rumor.
it's pretty vague as well, there weren't any figures or information.
There was that rumour, but I think it was Matt who said when he heard the plans in the past it was initially for 2019. If it wasn't Matt is was some other Verified member.
Yeah What does that mean, those vague statements are annoying af
So Arden and Argalus are the mid-gen refreshes from what im understanding. Another level is beyond what we seen in the Scarlett tease imo.
its the back and forth from both parties. its fuel from both ends. I've ignored so many people that it's just become a daily habit. why do i need to keep doing that when itll just end up being 2-3 people's post ill only see? Viewing multiple perspectives is a beauty of forums like this but its becoming just unbearable. like tf is kayle's purpose(now his alt)? its embarrassing.
I dont think its toxic because some tweet says ps5 is stronger than scarlett. its become toxic because of the narrative is has generated with both parties. plus you have more folks in this forum who are more interested in the next sony console so it just leads to more fuel into that fire. (poll provided the numbers of where the forum thinks) Also, when you see anything positive for xbox, it gets drowned out very quickly because a small amount of folk in this forum are more interested in the next xbox console. This is an easy observation and to think that its equal for both is naive.
If it gets to you so much, put the thread on ignore for a while. I get it, some here are downright embarassing, but I've gotten used to just scroll past their posts after a bit and focus on the ones whose posts are almost always informative.
Think it will get better once Colbert gets back from his work related sabbatical from this thread too.
Guys, unless one of new consoles will somehow end up being some 33-50% faster than the other one - and I'm not talking about flops as much as about frame times - it won't really matter which one is faster. A difference of less than 25% won't translate into much on practice.
I'm still most interested to hear more about Lockhart, as I try to spend the least amount of money on gaming as possible lol.
It's a fair point, but based on the E3 reveal and responses from Matt Booty, it's also fair to say that at this point we can't even be sure that Lockheart even exists and hasn't been canned.
Either way, I just can't see a monolithic APU sku and chiplet-based sku co-existing. The engineering costs alone for both products would be monumental. Kinda defeats the point of a 2-SKU strategy.
TBF, I just see that as an honest case of MS being very proud of the work their engineers did with AMD.
We here very much take for granted the amount if engineering effort and expertise required to produce a piece of custom hardware, with even the most seemingly minor tweaks from a reference AMD design.
I can accept companies wanting to honour the achievements of their engineers by distinguishing their designs as very much custom silicon. In some ways I think the converse creates a misconception among the misinformed masses that these custom console chips are just trivially produced off the shelf GPUs with a few minor tweaks added.
You should watch the Project Scarlett reveal trailer again.
That SOC and RAM area looks very different from a classic layout like they used in Xbox One S and X
So could very well be some kind of Interposer.
Not really.
Ask yourself what the purpose of an interposer would be without stacked memory or two disctinct CPU and GPU dice?
It's clearly a single piece of silicon for the APU and the mere existence of the GDDR6 dies precludes any stacked DRAM which was the subject of the patent/tweet that hmqgg confirmed as "Arden".
I asked him to confirm on two occasions.
First he denied ever saying Scarlett was an MCM+HBM. And after I responded to him quoting his post in which he did, he chose not to respond at all.
I not one for dogpiles or witch hunts for insiders, but at least respond when one of your previous leaks is called into question by officially revealed info..
If you're taking it upon yourself to leak insider info., if you're wrong you should own it too.
I get what you're saying. It's frustrating to me too.
I get that marketing often thinks they need to dumb things down for the masses, but don't put out intentionally disingenuous info with the intent to deceive. When their competitors aren't doing it to the same extent it makes MS look even worse.
It's a minor peave, but something I think MS's Xbox should consider. As at the end of the day, i'm sure Scarlett will end up being an impressive piece of engineering, so there's no reason to promote it with BS numbers.
Sorry mate. I can't empathise with this at all.
No-one forces you to leak insider info.. If you chose to do so of your own volition, and you end up being wrong you need to own it -- and preferably gracefully.
I personally, don't care if your insider info. is wrong or not, as long as you take responsibility for what you yourself decided to disclose.
I think this is the most interesting thing about E3 this year.
This time last year we had demos that were so clearly beyond the capability of current consoles we could only consider them next-gen.
I can only surmise that:
A) Publishers learned their lesson from the "downgrade-gate" gamer backlash (unlikely)
B) Next-gen isn't a big enough hardware leap to provide as much of a visual upgrade (doubtful)
C) Or the current state is an indication that development economics are now the bottleneck and pubs/devs aren't even willing to push for massive increases in visual fidelity because they can't accomodate the corresponding increase asset product costs (possible)
Eitherway we'll have to see as we get closer to next-gen console launch in late 2020.
I think that you are reading too much into this and kinesic analysis of Lisa / MS lady. To me it just looks like a case of wanting to show both of their partners in a positive, yet explicitly non-comparative light.
They say something nice about Sony and working with them in GPU. They say something nice about MS and working with them in CPU. It makes both partners look good while giving the appearance of not showing favouritism – a very important trait for a company that wants to supply custom hw to multiple vendors.
yeah, you're right. i need a break from this. e3 is just a great thing to see new ideas, new paths, new games, release dates and overall hope to what's next for gaming ovreall. then i just read constant reactions, when i dont really look for them, about how sucky everything is and it just becomes a cycle in everything gaming related.
like damn, can i get any excitement and enjoyment of what we are able to do as a luxury? anyway. thanks for the reply. ill go cool off now lol
They'll both have HW raytracing, so what goes for one, goes for the other.
Yeah I know what you mean.
Sometimes it gets unbearable, and sometimes you know, it's like when you just cant help look at the aftermath of a terrible accident while driving.
They both have hardware RT. How does that even work?
That's not necessarily true. It will be dependent on how each company think is the best way to address RT and how they customize hardware.
Thanks for the response and clarification.
Although, i think this just muddies the waters even more.
We've all been operating on the assumption that Arden and Argalus ARE Anaconda and Lockheart -- just AMD codenames to the latter MS internal codenames.
My understanding of your previous posts was that this was the case.
Aren't you changing the story then?
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