You sure they are hacking? some people are just really fucking good, Blizzard had to tell people to stop reporting on OW because 99% reports of hackers were just people who play 24/7.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA
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I'm inclined to believe this rumor more than the ridiculous 4-6tflops figure.
No dev kit leaks have mentioned two profiles so far other than the chalkboard leak which means the second 24 tflops dev kit is simply the pro version releasing alongside the base version for hardcore gamers. I certainly wouldnt mind paying $599-699 for a 20 tflops console.
Base console will compete with the ps5 at the same price and the 20 tflops will be something Sony simply can't match. This will explain why Phil was so damn sure about the performance advantage. He no longer cares about the price.
I was always going to buy both consoles but if ms makes a 20 tflops console i will buy into the whole eco system and leave ps+ behind. Keep the ps5 only for exclusives. suspect I'm not the only one.
I say Bring on $699. What do they have to lose if they already have a powerful console at $499 to compete with Sony
Watch the lockhart be neck and neck with the ps5 and the anaconda the premium console for $200 more. lol
now that would be the funniest shit ever
now that would be the funniest shit ever
That would be kinda reasonable actually.
What if the Lockhart and the PS5 had the exact same specs (albeit a few minor clock adjustments) and the Anaconda was basically a mid gen refresh released on launch instead as the ultimate premium experience.
Probably multiples of the same base in the article. Which Sams specified in other terms here.Yes when he said this, it was reported the same in the article, but now it is changed. That's the point why I made a comment!
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anexanhume
Had you made a screenshot when you shares the link to the article in its original state, or just copy/pasted the quote?
4x S with Anaconda
2x S with Lockhart.
weak snek
I'm hoping there's an /s missing somewhere cause that's nutty, even for you.
id be down for that. regardless of the specs on each console, i was always aiming for the higher end xbox because of my gwg library, gamepass and love for some 1p games i've grown up with. i reallly love my X and i can't wait for anaconda. i'm also super excited to see the work for ps5 and those 1p titles. they always blow me away with their creativity and their attention to detail.
Yes when he said this, it was reported the same in the article, but now it is changed. That's the point why I made a comment!
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anexanhume
Had you made a screenshot when you shares the link to the article in its original state, or just copy/pasted the quote?
Having somewhat read the article, this also immediately caught my eye. Seems like a typo. Otherwise it makes zero sense within the context of the author's previous post a few pages back.
I was playing PUBG running into the next zone and a guy came running past me going about as fast as a vehicle then turned and headshot me, pretty sure he was hacking.
Oh yeah, sorry then, PUBG is hacking central & the creators refusal to do anything about it killed the game, 100% with you on that.
I think releasing a 4tflops console in 2020 is nutty but that's just me.
$699 console won't hurt anyone because the base version would be comparable to the ps5 version at the same price.
I really don't see why anyone other than Sony fanboys upset over losing the tflops war will have any issues with this. It's a pro console released alongside the base console. Despite all the hoopla over the pro on gaf when it was first released, people came around to it because they realized that it had zero impact on the base ps4.
AMD might be doing it for market segmentation. Maybe AVX512 will be only enabled in their Zen2 based EPYC line. That would mean there's no physical reason AVX512 support couldn't be included in PS5.
Maybe the 2x and 4x is in comparison to ps4 PRO?
4TF console was never on the table.
I think we had this discussion last time. You're bringing up fanboys and being defensive for absolutely no reason. It's not a case of being upset over losing a "tflop war", it's about "speculation" that borders on fantasy.
No matter how fast your decompression is, you will never be able to process 5GB/s. I haven't read the entire Sony patent but we are seeing PCIe 4.0 SSDs that have been announced and most of them are ~5GB/s max theoretical speed. Let's be honest with ourselves, the PS5 is a console and it will have something akin to a buffed up low-mid range SSD, patents and all. ~5GB/s is what we should expect, anything more than that will be amazing for a console and combined with decompression, you just can't use the SSD as memory and it will not be able to feed the memory fast enough. It's an amazing HDD, not a replacement for more memory.
All I'm saying is that you are over positive in an unrealistic manner. Before you've edited your message you've said that anything under 10GB/s will be a waste of effort, that's crazy. You need some more Colbert in you :)
That 160$ figure is way out of proportion, it will never cost them 160$. Do you know how everyone got to that number? From this story. They took the 11.69$ figure, added the 40% discount and multiplied by 24. That is obviously very far from what Sony and Microsoft will get because:
1) These are January 2019 prices, not Summer 2020 prices. GDDR6 is very new and DRAM prices have been on a free fall in the past year, GDDR6 will be much cheaper than 160$ in 2020.
2) Why even use the highest price in the table? 13Gbps cost 9.25$ per GB in the article, so that's 133$ BEFORE the DRAM price drops. 24GB of 13Gbps GDDR6 results in 624GB/s, that's probably higher than any of us expect in the PS5.
So please forget about the 160$ price point for 24GB, people here recite it but it's not true. It will probably be closer to 100$ or 110$ if in January 2019 it was 133$, just a few dollars more than the PS4's 88$ per 8GB of GDDR5.
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I agree that would be hilarious and amazing. That makes more sense than what we're being told lockhart is intended for right now.
Actually, I really think this makes more sense than MS being $100 cheaper and $100 dearer.
Omg. What if the Xbox One S is the low end, Xbox One X is a little higher, lockhart is on par with PS5, and then Anaconda is high end and all games come to all consoles for the entire generation.
Microsoft would basically have all different performance tiers of consoles. The Steam Machine done right.
Microsoft would basically have all different performance tiers of consoles. The Steam Machine done right.
I would love this. Have Xbox One X be the "low end" for next generation, don't launch a next gen system with it expected to be the "low end" console. Hell isn't the One X expected to get an official price drop to $350 soon? And by next year when the new consoles drop it should be lower. That should be the budget option for next gen. Lockhart should be base next gen console around PS5, and Anaconda should be their enthusiast option.
I still think they will do a Pro upgrade even if that's the case, it will be quite profitable to sell a $500 8k Console in 2024.
That's just revisionist history. 4tflops had many defenders until the latest whiteboard leak which set it at 5.5 tflops.
If you are going to call someone nutty, expect them to get defensive. It's only natural. You also haven't bothered to list exactly why my speculation is fantasy, just a blanket'wrong' like trump. You had two posts to do it and failed to come up with a reason so i had to speculate just exactly why someone would get so butthurt over my speculation going as far as to call it nuts. The only logical explanation was fanboyism since its not like i pulled a spinningbirdkick and put the 24 tflops console at a cheaper price than a ps5 and Have it be more powerful. That's nutty.
Expecting to pay $200 extra for a bigger gpu isnt.
I think this is it. /thread guys. We solved the xbox side of things.
A few pages back he wrote the following (which made sense):
I want a console with cutting edge technology with no compromise what so ever even if I have to spend 699+ at the start of new gen.
But it won't happen.
Yeah and this high speed NAND flash will be even more expensive than GDDR6 since you'll definitely need several times more of it for it to be any kind of a caching storage. So again, you're trading kinda expensive DRAM for an even more expensive NAND. I'd imagine that having more RAM is a better option for system's flexibility too.
Anyway, what are we discussing here? I don't think that the presence of NAND flash storage will affect PS5's RAM size much - it will still be considerably higher than that of PS4. Which means that we'll get both improvements anyway.
Holy shit, we're in 24 tflops territory now! 😂
This fucking thread...
Microsoft would lose in a flash; they'd hand the generation to Sony by doing that. Having a console that is cheaper, but weaker (lockhart) and a console that has essentially 2 times the GPU power of the PS5 (anaconda) but is significantly more expensive, isn't smart... People will just opt for a PS5. No one is going to fully utilize a 24 tflops console. Why? It will never sell the amounts needed. I'd applaud it though... Heck I'd spend over $799 for something like that, but I'm in the minority.
I honestly don't think there will be a significant difference between the anaconda and the PS5.
This fucking thread...
Microsoft would lose in a flash; they'd hand the generation to Sony by doing that. Having a console that is cheaper, but weaker (lockhart) and a console that has essentially 2 times the GPU power of the PS5 (anaconda) but is significantly more expensive, isn't smart... People will just opt for a PS5. No one is going to fully utilize a 24 tflops console. Why? It will never sell the amounts needed. I'd applaud it though... Heck I'd spend over $799 for something like that, but I'm in the minority.
I honestly don't think there will be a significant difference between the anaconda and the PS5.
People seem to forget they will do a mid gen upgrade no matter how powerful the base console is .
For one it raise the ASP of the console and revenue .
Second tech will always advance and once they able to they will do it .
It also for trying to keep people in there ecosystem .
Yeah, that time Sony didn't have low SKU
And it was almost one the same boat as 360 so I wouldn't call it a cutting-edge .
I don't either. Im stuck on $399 8-10TF island. For PS5 that is.
Won't mind what he is asking for but I agree it would be suicide
PS5 having all this tech plus ray tracing apparently makes me think it's gonna be $599 like PS3. I can't see how they can do all of this for $499 without taking big losses. Sony rely on their gaming division to not be in the red or else their company is gonna be in trouble.
Every revision of your predictions seems to include an edit based on the most recent rumor/article/leak/etc. You give almost every rumor validity then project that validity to others. If the 4Tf has no valid reasoning behind it, your argument of it being defended goes out the window, right? People DEFEDNING the idea that 4tf is possible DOES NOT make it a reality. It does not mean that was ever an option with the people making decisions.
We're adults. I don't expect anyone even half my age to be upset because I use the word nutty to describe a prediction that most would automatically take in jest. Me saying your prediction is nutty is not an attack on you.
Does pointing out you suggested a 24Tf NAVI chip warrant any other reasons? Let's just sit back and wait for that 24Tf NAVI. that's 30 VEGA Tf if we follow the ERA calculator, that will probably need to be under 200w. Does that read like a plausible outcome for anything that would go into a console int he next 12-18 months?
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8k can go take a hike.
Heck, even 4k is not that different unless you got like a 40inch or more TV.
Guys, what if all those leaks about Anaconda and Lockhart weren't about consoles but about...men's hygiene products?
There's big bottles and small ones, and even a spray for those into "streaming".
There's big bottles and small ones, and even a spray for those into "streaming".
That would be the worst possible scenario. Imagine making a game that has to run on the S while also pushing the boundries on the anaconda. It would be a nightmare to develop on and would hold back the potential of next gen games.
Are you talking for every developer out there because you are one yourself that develops for each platform?
all this talk about holding back this gen, i dont i ever seen any article about the switch holding back a game. the xbox one holding back a game that launched on the pro or x. why are you so afraid? did the 360/ps3 hold back games they made for the ps4 and one when they launched? *gasp*
You might be confusing me with colbert. I don't make any revisions, i have stubbornly stuck with a 14 tflops PS5 prediction for months until just now when we saw the latest navi die size and CU count and it seems the 14 tflops dream might be dead.
anyway, dont mind me. no harm no foul. we will see next year what the big navi chip can do, but they usually end up doubling the tflops count in desktop gpus compared to console APUs.
the new navi chip is only 255mm2 which is roughly half the size of the vega 56 and 64 chips. all the big RTX cards also over 425 mm2. you can do a lot with a 7nm die when it comes to adding CUs. it would be really silly if RDNA still has a 64 CU limit.
Yeah, Destiny came to mind. Also Shadows of Mordor needed to have a separate version for PS3 and 360.
Think the problem will be GaaS games though, especially with cross platform needing the games to have parity. Single player games should have less problems.
There also FFXIV which drop PS3 support .
Truth is if the CPUs were not so much crap in XB1 or PS4 things would not be that bad.
This of course not counting moving on from HDDs.
What was the deal with Destiny? I did a quick google search and it was noted by forbes that the 360/ps3 version had lesser features, like inventory space or something, not where the ps4/xbox one was held back to have continuity between them.
Separate proves my point that they did more on the ps4/xbox one and it wasnt held back to look exact the same as ps3/360.
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