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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
- Thread starter Mecha Meister
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So its some later devkit itetation, late ps3 devkit itetation looks very close to final console
Oh my... Elden Ring will be bonkers!
I was 90% joking but the RF fan inside me still hopes that the next game will do everything that was described in that post...
Man all that stuff sounds like exactly what I'd want from nextgen, especially the destructable environment, I absolutely need more of this.
at least this time they are an ex journalist that has been verified by zhuge (to be able to access that information), so i want to believe that they are being honest about what they know.
So he was shown a next-gen game running on PS5 hardware and it looks amazing and it has everything, but it's still "early" and "was not shown behind closed doors" which is convenient because then no journalist can confirm it's existence, and maybe it could get cancelled because "things change".
And while apparently it's ok to break several NDAs to show a completely secret next-gen game running on PS5 hardware, he obviously can't tell us anything about stuff like the SSD or specs, because he can't break that NDA. It's totally not because this information could be easily verified when the PS5 actually launches and tell us if this was just made-up stuff. Man, people are so gullible.
And while apparently it's ok to break several NDAs to show a completely secret next-gen game running on PS5 hardware, he obviously can't tell us anything about stuff like the SSD or specs, because he can't break that NDA. It's totally not because this information could be easily verified when the PS5 actually launches and tell us if this was just made-up stuff. Man, people are so gullible.
No is trying to force you to believe him. Make up your own mind, but don't try tell the rest of us what to think. It 's people like you that discourage people from sharing anything, but you are probably too ignorant to understand why that's a bad thing.
Again ZhugeEX told he was able to verify the identity of Kleegamefan and it seems some of the information are real out of the game he saw where mods are unable to tell if is true or not. And he gaves us his real world identity this is big. Maybe he knows for example the exact target specs of the consoles of June 2019 but his friend ask him to tell nothing or be vague enough to not have people trying to find who leak something and it will be easier because they have the identity of who made the information public. People seems to think specs of the GPU are critical only for Sony and Microsoft. They are critical for AMD too because next-generation console GPU* can give some information about the next generation of AMD GPU... For the moment 5700 and 5700XT mid range level of GPU are not a big threat at all for Nvidia but if next generation console are 10.5 TFlops or more it means next GPU of AMD will be much more competitive knowing there will be RT and probably VRS too. Some journalists have the information too but no one want to give the it...
He gaves us enough valuable information, more than 10 RDNA TFlops for the two consoles is ok even if it is 10,1 TFlops and 10,2 TFlops...
I don't need more.
*Mid range GPU or between mid range and high end GPU at max of 2020 AMD GPU
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I'm not telling anyone what to think. I'm just posting what I think.
The people who know stuff and want to share it, will do so. I doubt that they will stop because 1 out of 10 people doesn't believe them.
Hey, it's up to you whether you want to believe it or not and to what degree. No one asked you to come in here and act like an ass everytime
only that those 1/10 people stopped matt, andrew, komachi etc. from sharing what they know, so no you are wrong.
naaaaah
ps3 devkit was a huge rack mountable black slab with ejectable hard drives and front panel switches
only the ps2 kit looks anything vaguely like its consumer equivalent
And it is not only this Klee is not journalist anymore. If he leaks something they can try to reach the leaker through him...
Verified insider...maybe catch up on the thread first?
On another topic It's interesting how the Xbox fans (Colbert, Faceless Samurai, Oulasc, etc) are the most bearish, Debbie Downers on the thread, while the PlayStation fans are the most bullish and optimistic....
I have my own theories as to why, but I'm sure a psychology professor would shed some light into it (probably has to do with how this gen went) :P
Look, I don't know how they're gonna cool it but at this point I'm expecting 10.7-12.2TF for sure....and it's good news for everyone!! Both are gonna be absolute beasts.
I just hope people are not too disappointed when we end up getting 16GB of RAM...we know pretty much everything else about the console so that will be the last battleground. But even if it's only 16GB I'm sure it will be enough :)
Maybe you can post it without the snark, then?
It's certainly not appreciated
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assuming klee is accurate, persoanlly i think we will get 10~11.2TF (either 40CU 2000MHZ or 44CU with 1800~2000MHZ), if its going to be 44CU i think sony will try to go above 1900MHz in order to surpass Stadia in raw TF number.
I wasn't aware that matt stopped posting because someone didn't believe him. Care to provide a source? Also, are you seriously comparing me to the people who harrassed Andrew Reiner, who btw. is a respected journalist? And what are you refering to regarding komachi? Thuway asking him a question? At some point this idolisation of insiders turned kind of crazy, when you aren't even allowed to ask them questions anymore, or state your doubts.
It's actually kind of hard to write the points I made in a way that doesn't sound like snark to someone, but I will try to keep that in mind.
It isn't hard to do that at all lol.
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Give me a break.
Oh, and I'm simply taking the info for what it is. If it is proven wrong, I'll go from there. It isn't like I think the information is absolutely correct. I'm just going with the flow for the time being. It really isn't that deep.
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Give me a break.
Oh, and I'm simply taking the info for what it is. If it is proven wrong, I'll go from there. It isn't like I think the information is absolutely correct. I'm just going with the flow for the time being. It really isn't that deep.
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My prediction range is bigger than yours 10 to 13 Tflops. I will add something
10 to 11 TFlops: 80% chance
11 to 12 Tflops: 15 % chance
12 to 13 Tflops: 5% chance
And I agree with you, we will have 16 Gb of RAM with OS. I expect 14 GB of RAM and 2 GB for OS for the game but not a problem with at least a 2GB/s SSD
My prediction for PS5 is 5 to 10 GB/s SSD. I am as confident about this prediction than the other one... If you can fill 2/3 or the RAM for an Open world you will be ok. And Zen 2 CPU increased will help to setup the first party game to load in 1 second or a little bit less.
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Are you 100% sure after Kleegamefan revelation that we get above 10tf ?
Like a retail PS3 devkit came out in 2009. And it does not cover all functionality.
PS4 devkit is not like a retail still afaik.
I think he talking about working on ps3 games before ps3 premiere (he said that retail ps3 was later little slimer than devkit)
I was lurking on old site since 1999 and now that he is verified and his account is not someone stoling his identity, I am fully positive they are above 10 Tflops after it can be 10,1 Tflops and 10,2 Tflops...
EDIT: My assumption of first party optimized games loading in 1 second comes from presentation to shareholder about the SSD technology. After it will not be the case every time, some non optimized games will load in 30 seconds or more too...
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They were TEST debug kits, not dev kits. Right til the end, the PS3 dev kits were the server slabs.
First, Kleegamefan was verified to be the person he says he is, nothing else. However ZhugeEX clearly stated in his post that the info Kleegamefan is claiming to have they were NOT ABLE to verify! A small but important detail people conveniently miss. (no offense into the direction of Kleegamefan because I know people will put it that way)
Exhibit A:
Second , I agree to Gemüsepizza in his observations about "insiders" in general.
Last, my Debbie Downer status is not based on being an Xbox owner first but on limitations a console usually has on power consumption and heat handling. I would say the same if the rumors were about Xbox. I actually did say the same for any outlandish rumor about Xbox so far. I also have not seen a single valid explanation that would make it possible to have constant 2000Mhz in a small form factor retail console other than the believe/hope the silicon is based on a 7nm+ process (and other than water cooling which came from me). More importantly I based all my thoughts about it on actual facts from already available tests and benchmarks of existing RDNA GPUs everyone can read on the internet. That is the opposite of doing it based on some dreams, hopes and vague hints. While this is a speculation thread I prefer to speculate in a more realistic manner. If you want to believe those specs, just do it, I am just expressing my doubts and I am thinking I am really consistent about it.
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People have a right to be skeptical of "insiders".
Look how things shook out on the old place.
CBOAT, an almost mystical poster revered like forum royalty, turns out to be nothing more than a shared mod account.
Another person who I won't name..... Who had other sites writing articles on his Twitter posts. I would bet money that his info came from the same mods that ran CBOAT. Lapped up his adoration when he had it from the forumites on the old site. We'll leave it there
Famous Mortimer. Another so called insider. He began believing his own hype and even wrote some complete bullshit about one of the devs at the driveclub studio.... Funny how he disappeared after his 15mins of internet fame.
There are others who I won't bother doing write ups for.
But the way I see it, if the insiders had information they would divulge it. It seems that ps5 dev kits have been in the wild for some time, nailing down a leaker (assumption from my arse) would get more difficult by the day. Instead they have a pattern of writing ambiguous/vague statements which can then be brushed aside as "things change". Now, I don't have anything against that or them, the problem lies with the forumites that take every word as gospel, then attack anyone that dares question them.
How many times do we see the word "entitlement" directed at those that dare to ask a question...?
Look how things shook out on the old place.
CBOAT, an almost mystical poster revered like forum royalty, turns out to be nothing more than a shared mod account.
Another person who I won't name..... Who had other sites writing articles on his Twitter posts. I would bet money that his info came from the same mods that ran CBOAT. Lapped up his adoration when he had it from the forumites on the old site. We'll leave it there
Famous Mortimer. Another so called insider. He began believing his own hype and even wrote some complete bullshit about one of the devs at the driveclub studio.... Funny how he disappeared after his 15mins of internet fame.
There are others who I won't bother doing write ups for.
But the way I see it, if the insiders had information they would divulge it. It seems that ps5 dev kits have been in the wild for some time, nailing down a leaker (assumption from my arse) would get more difficult by the day. Instead they have a pattern of writing ambiguous/vague statements which can then be brushed aside as "things change". Now, I don't have anything against that or them, the problem lies with the forumites that take every word as gospel, then attack anyone that dares question them.
How many times do we see the word "entitlement" directed at those that dare to ask a question...?
No He said anything linked to the game he was not able to verify it. He said some of the informations looks true. Big nuance...
Edit: And another big difference we all know, he is Kelly Prickard ex Gamefan and EGM editor. Knowing internet craziness I would never do what he did because if some infos are not true or things changing some crazies are capable to harass him... This is internet after all...
he is not anonymous at all, very different of CBOAT for example.
"System will be revealed close to E3 2019 in Sony's Special event with some mind-blowing tech demos and a few megatons and a release date for Q1-Q2 2020!"I believe ShamePain knew something! his statements about CPU and GPU seems pretty on point!
"880Gb/s" bandwidth, yep, sure ;)
May I ask again what time frame of "loading" you talk about?
a) Fresh UI start to splash screen with input (press X to start)?
b) game start menu to an actual in-game-level?
Don't receive this precision but I think a or b would be possible. After I don't have any new information out of the patent is the origin of the PS5 SSD and current gen fill in term of data 2/3 of the memory is enough to launch an open world games but not enough some work need to be done on CPU side to setup the game...
The other information is worse I am optimistic when I said 30 seconds, he thinks a game with very bad optimization can launch in one minute even if PS5 had a 20 GB/s S SSD like the supposed max speed inside the patent..
EDIT: And my minimum speed for PS5 SSD just come from Cerny interview better than current gen PCIE3 SSD available in the market... The only things someone told me the PS5 SSD patent is the base of the PS5 SSD technology... I have not even a clue of the speed all my assumption and some clues let by this guy.
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I believe ShamePain knew something! his statements about CPU and GPU seems pretty on point!
2TB HDD? Wouldnt it having an ssd be one of the easiest things to have found out?
CBOAT being a shared mod account is shocking to me. I hate neogaf.
It's good to be skeptical. Especially with unverifiable information that is so vague that it's next to impossible to prove (a game with tress, water and the unreal engine!)
Folks on Reset love placating insiders because of how thirsty they are for any details, so my recommendation is to just ignore em.
This thread was going crazy over pastebin leaks, then some fake Xbox insiders, this at least seems like a decent step up.
2TB HDD this is bullshit. I have no confidence in any Reddit, pastebin or 4chan link. I think Klee, AMD Gonzalo, AMD Flute and SSD patent can be trust... Out of this...
The point isn't about being skeptical. It is about being skeptical without the nonsense attached to it.
Sorry for being that guy, but I don't see that.
All I see is that the person talked about could be very well in the position to obtain such information (first sentence and the detail that is referenced to in the second sentence). Though the second sentence is a general disclaimer that clearly differentiate the parts they were able to verify and the parts they were not able to verify. IMO that is far from: "some of it looks true.".
Or is this an example of my limits of the english language?
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Disclaimer (again because people seem just always to miss that part): This is no offense into the direction of Kleegamefan because I know people will put it that way!
Wait... CBOAT turned out to be a shared mod account? He got info right, though so there must have been an insider among the mods.
I thought he got banned after getting something really wrong, though. How was this found out?
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