Compare Kleegamefan to other insider is nearly an insult imo... Because he tooks the big risk to be harassed by Internet crazies. He is not anonymous... I don't know if people understand the risk he takes knowing internet...
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
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Compare Kleegamefan to other insider is nearly an insult imo... Because he tooks the big risk to be harassed by Internet crazies. He is not anonymous... I don't know if people understand the risk he takes knowing internet...
It is ok to be skeptical of the discussion; or which sources have revealed accurate information. It is not ok to insult other members intelligence in this forum. Klee is not some anonymous source, he is a verified individual. He is coming from a position of integrity and credibility after years of work in this industry. I am willing to take his word until that trust is broken, at which point he loses credibility.
I can see 1 seconds for a) more than b) depending on the game and I use my experience with HZD as the example here. I don't see HZD would load within 1 second for case b). Fast travel in game depends on the area you travel to. Within the same area I see within 1 second, changing areas I can see the 1 second promise to be broken. Death screens loading time are also dependent on the area you are in.
Exactly this.
I don't know why the point of just being respectful is being ignored.
As I said, folks love to placate insiders. Klee has been verified, his information has not.
If his vague information sounded more credible than a random reddit link or a pastebin, I'd give the snarkiness issue more credence. But as it stands?
Anyone here could make up that information without issue, that's how vague and general it is.
Funny you constantly take jabs at Xbox fans, including this one, and your next post is about another poster's snark. It's another "Do as I say, not as I do" person.
I will keep some scepticism (couse info sounds almost too good) but at least he verified his credentials
To be fair, this thread has been wrong 99% of time even insiders with verify information were wrong for more then 6 months.
Just take everything with a grain of salt, more wrong information is going to get said for the next 6 months.
Just take everything with a grain of salt, more wrong information is going to get said for the next 6 months.
I don't see why? It it the same you need to load the new area it depends of data and CPU power to setup the game.
I try a few days ago to relaunch HZD from the start screen and it is fucking long... I always use resume function function normally.
As I said, based on my experience with loading times as I currently playing the game every day with a lot of fast traveling involved and jumping between games so I do not always have a quick standby start.
Ok this is just my assumption I think the SSD will be fast enough to be technically able for an optimized game to launch in 1 second in fast travel or cold start based on presentation to the shareholder of the functionality.
Then have all the skepticism you need. However, it is never okay to act hostile and snarky towards other forum members just because you're skeptical about their information. In this case, the poster you supported even went as far as to insult the intelligence of fellow members. Is that warranted when Klee has yet to be proven false?
I don't see an issue with calling folks gullible. People believe all sorts of fake info (e.g. paste bins, other fake insiders in this thread) and those folks are and were gullible. Here, people took the verification of Klee as the individual and assumed the information provided was also true, despite Zhuge making it a point to state that it was unverified information. That kinda falls squarely into the definition of the word gullible.
So what do you propose people in this thread do? We have literally no info besides the bare essentials from each console manufacturer, nothing to go by. There'd be no discussion besides baseless speculation. At least with insiders, there's information to point towards something that may be true and those could be used as points of discussion whether the information ends up being right or wrong. Now, yes, I agree taking any insider's word as gospel is gullible, but I can see many in this thread have their own skepticism and aren't taking things 100% as it is.
There's a healthy middle ground between being gullible and going around insulting other members. I don't think that's too hard a concept to grasp.
If you're being hostile, you're wrong no matter what position you are taking. So let's do that, let's be reasonable people.
If you're being hostile, you're wrong no matter what position you are taking. So let's do that, let's be reasonable people.
Baseless speculation is the name of the game. And in terms of actual, more likely information, the Komachi stuff points us to some actual numbers.
No it was real time. It was an internal studio milestone video.
Nah, it is okay. Just keep mocking and insulting people because someone may or may not have correct information.
Don't worry about it. No matter who you are or what you do or say some people will be on board and others will not. It's just the way of the world.
Some people aren't satisfied until Microsoft or Sony sends a cease & desist. No one's curiosity or worth another losing their job or facing legal action.
Let's just go with the assumption for a while that Klee made up all his info. You don't have proof whether it's right or wrong. Does that suddenly give you the permission and authority to insult other members, whether it be the source itself or other members who believe it? And yes, while Komachi's leaks may have hard numbers, can you say for certainty that it's accurate as well?
I'm just trying to have a good attitude going in this thread. I don't know why I bother sometimes, LOL. Reminds me of why I quit Era and just came back recently because we got juicy information
Kleegamefan You might have already mentioned this so apologies if so, but was the game you saw a first or third party game?
Exactly since he is verified and he gave his identity. This is ok for me. Did he gaves us all the information he have? Maybe. Can he gave us all the information he have if he have more? I think no. Because it can be dangerous for his source.
He gaves us enough information to be excited but not enough to put him and his source in danger. And he gaves us some possibility to speculate...
Imo this is great and Thank you Kleegamefan
I'm skeptical about Klee's info (thanks to Anexanume and Colbert educating posts about what's possible) but I dont see any reason to post snide remarks about it, especially when Klee doesn't really keep his identity a secret.
No, Komachis leaks might be inaccurate. You asked what should be discussed here, I gave you an example. This is a speculation thread, with little info out there, something of merit doesn't always need to be discussed (hence people giving credence to pastebins). I have no issue with folks discussing Klees info, I have an issue with folks placating insiders because they must be treated like fragile objects lest they run away and never return.
And you think gullible is an insult, I think it's an appropriate descriptor of folks who take Klees verification as verification of his info, when the verification itself mentioned that the vague info could not be verified.
This is, pound for pound, exactly what happened with the past "fake" insiders that have propped up in this thread. One thing was verified, which folks use to give them an over abundance of credence to everything they say, which shapes the narrative in weird (and often incorrect ways) and then results in massive pushback and hand wringing when later, more credible information props up that contradicts it.
I direct you to the this threads infamous Andrew Reiner arc.
But I don't even think the two consoles are more than 10 TFlops is something incredible. He did not say the two consoles are above 11 TFlops or far above 10 TFlops or in the high 10 TFlops. I don't see something out of this world. Like I said it can be 10,1 TFlops and 10,2 TFlops.
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This post of yours I agree with. Time and again, we've seen some posters take everything an insider said as facts and blame them when things don't turn out as they said. This attitude is similarly toxic and should be avoided as insiders can't be blamed for this. However, what I find issue with is you decided to support the posts of someone who has a history of coming in here and being rude and disrespectful as well as generalizing everyone as gullible. Funnily enough, same poster believed all the insiders and information pointing to a late 2019 release long ago, but since that fell through, stopped coming in and is now skeptical of everything. Talk about hypocrisy
This is an expansion of rapid-packed math right, not variable rate shading?
Thanks, this is exactly my view as well. I'm happy Klee's here, I appreciate his posts and personally I don't doubt what he says, but as far as actually telling us anything about the next generation... It's general gut feeling level stuff from a USB stick video of an unspecified game from an unspecified developer in an early stage of development. I wish people would see it as that, and not confuse it with actual concrete info.
In danger? Who's going to come after them: the KGB?
As I said earlier, there's apparently enough dev kits in the wild for Andrew Reiner or whatever his name is too give a nod to one being more powerful than the other without putting the KGB onto his source and it is accepted. Yet another insider cannot say and is protecting his source is accepted as well.
Not divulging too much on an unannounced game I can understand. Hardware though, especially at this point sets my spider sense tingling.
Maybe you don't give a fuck about your job but I don't think his source want to lose his or her job.
Edit: And Andrew is journalist, he can legally protect his sources. Klee is not journalist anymore...
On this site someone giving some leak about Nintendo received a cease and desist from Nintendo. He can receive the same things and someone can ask him who gave him this information and his source will lost his or her job...
While I agree with the general discussion of not being offensive towards ppl attitude with leaks, if the source doesn't want to lose his/her job, maybe he/she shouldn't leak information breaching the contract he/she signed.
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