This actually hurts because I feel like red here.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, at least the memes around this shitshow have been amazing. LOL
This actually hurts because I feel like red here.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, at least the memes around this shitshow have been amazing. LOL
lolI mean, the games look to be the best games in the franchise to date in terms of non-Pokedex related content and have a TON of much needed QoL improvements. Why would fans who don't care about Dexit suddenly turn on the game after the data mine?
If the game is good and reviews well the datamining of the models won't change anything.
Seriously, why do people assume people who haven't turned on the game suddenly will?
I don't think it will make any impact on sales, but will help keep lights on this issue. We've seen a few people who were like "who cares if shit like dunsparce or maractus gets cut" come into this thread saying stuff like "how could they cut bulbasaur?!" (which I honestly found rather satisfying.)Seriously, why do people assume people who haven't turned on the game suddenly will?
To be honest it doesn't matter currently if this will effect sales, this is effecting the game's image and the company's brand pretty strongly. I typed "sword shield" into google just so I could get to the site for a reference for a piece of art I'm working on, and almost half of what I was hit with in the first few headline of results is negative, I don't even have to go here, or reddit or twitter, I can literally type the games into google just to see what my buying options are and be hit with a ton of negativity. No sane company would want those kind of results, at this point you would literally be relying on the "consume media" meme to maintain sales. They can't ignore this.I don't think it will make any impact on sales, but will help keep lights on this issue. We've seen a few people who were like "who cares if shit like dunsparce or maractus gets cut" come into this thread saying stuff like "how could they cut bulbasaur?!" (which I honestly found rather satisfying.)
So yeah, once people understand that it's not what they consider "bloat" that got cut but major favorites, maybe the purge will be get attention going forward.
I'm actually a bit curious about how this approach will effect views of newer games in the future. Right now SwSh have the extra novelty in being the first console games in the series but, just looking up some of the most popular search results is concerning. It's sad to see a bunch of popular suggested searches being "is Pokemon x in this game?" "is Pokemon y cut?"Yeah this is an instance where ever since it was revealed in Treehouse, GF has not been able to keep this under the rugs at all. Compare and contrast with stuff like the Battle Frontier issue in ORAS, and lack of post-game in XY. People kept bringing it up, which in turn resulted in consistent negativity. It's a lot worse than Gen VI had, that's for sure.
Ugh, I don't know why I went into that Gamefreak low morale thread when I knew it was just going to be wall to wall comments browbeating fans for having criticisms of Gamefreak or the direction they're going in. The review/sale thread is going to suck.
It would seem Clefairy won this battle.
We can only hope she gets her revenge someday.
Now multiply this by the millions. The dex cut might not affect Sw/Sh, but as soon as its visibly seen by the mainstream user then anything can go.
Noticed this in my feed this morning. Poor girl will be in for a rude awakening lol.
But she could have transferred it.That girl's favorite wasn't likely to be there when she got the game anyway, because past gen starters are rarely available in the base game of a new generation.
Do you believe only gaming enthusiasts transfer over their Pokemon?I feel like anyone planning to transfer their high level previous starters would know about the roster cuts by now considering they're going to be unusable for most of the game.
That girl's favorite wasn't likely to be there when she got the game anyway, because past gen starters are rarely available in the base game of a new generation.
Do you believe only gaming enthusiasts transfer over their Pokemon?
Most folks, including most of the people who buy and play these games, are following the news about them outside of the big videos. Until one of these 6 AM Pokemon Youtube vids brings it up, I'm pretty comfortable thinking the vast majority of folks have no idea or are unclear on this.
Watching this post change over time has been amusing.Yeah and you haven't been able to do that for several months after the initial release for a while now
the point is Bayleef wouldn't have been there day one and this post isn't neccessarily about expecting people to be able to transfer something right away.
And you know, there's some common decency in not using ipeople you don't know as props in an argument.
I'll fuck off now with one final joke just to end on an upbeat note. Remember, kids. Don't ever let your obsessive personality get you overly invested in a children's monster collecting game. Just be a fan of Charizard and you'll be set for life. lul
Staff gets harassed on social media.
A deluge of arm chair developers who don't understand how to do their job telling you them they're either lying, lazy, or manipulative.
News reports delivered in bad faith based on all of this by journalists who can and should be held to a higher standard.
Misinformation shoved out at every opportunity about past titles and current ones.
Won't someone think of the fans, tho???
I don't care what got cut, or what decisions got made. Nothing justifies the behavior that we've seen since this announcement came about. These threads have been inundated with lazy dev rhetoric and bad faith arguments (and unfortunately, I must admit, I made some of them and let my biases affect me). Going "But won't someone think of the corporation?!" like it's baby's first effort at consumer advocacy won't change what's already done, and just like with LGPE, whether or not the game is successful isn't owed to anyone, and people who do celebrate its success - if it happens - are just as justified as you are for being mad about it.
I've talked about getting perspective before, but there's a basic level of decency that hasn't been part of this. You're just gonna have to do what I took too long to learn to do - Deal With It.
Was that the point of the post, given it wasn't in the post originally? Which is kinda why I pointed out the editing. Because it amused me that you found it necessary to add that unnecessary little moralizing shot at other posters for the sake of strengthening your point.
I don't have interest in replying to the rest of this post because I agree that some people do take their criticism a bit too far. However, I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone try to say anyone is wrong for not being upset about this and enjoying/being excited for the game regardless. In fact, I see the opposite far more often. Oftentimes in threads before anyone even posts anything negative at all, people will start talking about "whiners" and how they wish they'd just stop talking in threads, etc.This pretty much, I came back to era because I wanted to chat about Pokémon and discuss the hype and build up for the leak.
So far the whole negative has been drowning it out and whole, urgh, "dexit" crowd have shouting and harassing those who are excited for the game as if we have betrayed the fandom.
I agree with this. I admit I was kind of guilty of getting pretty heated about this stuff back in June/early July when the news first dropped, but I think a lot of people go a bit too far with criticism and stuff, and it makes everyone who respectfully has criticism look bad.All the legit criticism is going to get lost among petty appeals to emotion and weaponized feels and memes. I'll admit the video of Charizard as Anakin killing younglings made me laugh, but maybe more out of absurdity than anything.
Was that the point of the post, given it wasn't in the post originally? Which is kinda why I pointed out the editing. Because it amused me that you found it necessary to add that unnecessary little moralizing shot at other posters for the sake of strengthening your point.
what about after right when she gets the gameThat girl's favorite wasn't likely to be there when she got the game anyway, because past gen starters are rarely available in the base game of a new generation.
seeing somebody like bayleef and having your immediate reaction be "you have to wait for bayleef no matter what idiot"In the magical fairy hypothetical scenario where the game does have all Pokémon, she'd have to wait a few months for compatibility to transfer it.
Finding out Bayleef can't appear in real life ? I don't know. She might be upset. She might not and just move on. Choosing to show off Bayleef in a post doesn't mean she's predisposed towards anything. We don't know anything about this person other than she's waiting for SwSh and she likes Bayleef.
If there are specific users in here crossing the line when it comes to criticism feel free to report them. Staff have left guidelines as to what is acceptable. Otherwise you can stop preaching about shit a majority of us haven't done. I think Game Freak has made awful decisions using faulty reasoning. Just because some random shit heads on the internet are crossing the line doesn't suddenly change my opinion nor does it absolve Game Freak of their poor decision making. They absolutely don't deserve to be harassed, but stop talking as if that is equal to or connected with the criticism being expressed in this thread.
When you go from discussing a topic directly with specific users to generalized holier-than-thou claims about how the opposition in general is up to no good, you're not really arguing in good faith any more.Staff gets harassed on social media.
A deluge of arm chair developers who don't understand how to do their job telling you them they're either lying, lazy, or manipulative.
News reports delivered in bad faith based on all of this by journalists who can and should be held to a higher standard.
Misinformation shoved out at every opportunity about past titles and current ones.
Won't someone think of the fans, tho???
I don't care what got cut, or what decisions got made. Nothing justifies the behavior that we've seen since this announcement came about. These threads have been inundated with lazy dev rhetoric and bad faith arguments (and unfortunately, I must admit, I made some of them and let my biases affect me). Going "But won't someone think of the corporation?!" like it's baby's first effort at consumer advocacy won't change what's already done, and just like with LGPE, whether or not the game is successful isn't owed to anyone, and people who do celebrate its success - if it happens - are just as justified as you are for being mad about it.
I've talked about getting perspective before, but there's a basic level of decency that hasn't been part of this. You're just gonna have to do what I took too long to learn to do - Deal With It.
If there are specific users in here crossing the line when it comes to criticism feel free to report them. Staff have left guidelines as to what is acceptable. Otherwise you can stop preaching about shit a majority of us haven't done. I think Game Freak has made awful decisions using faulty reasoning. Just because some random shit heads on the internet are crossing the line doesn't suddenly change my opinion nor does it absolve Game Freak of their poor decision making. They absolutely don't deserve to be harassed, but stop talking as if that is equal to or connected with the criticism being expressed in this thread.
When you go from discussing a topic directly with specific users to generalized holier-than-thou claims about how the opposition in general is up to no good, you're not really arguing in good faith any more.
Edit: You beat me to it
Staff gets harassed on social media.
A deluge of arm chair developers who don't understand how to do their job telling you them they're either lying, lazy, or manipulative.
News reports delivered in bad faith based on all of this by journalists who can and should be held to a higher standard.
Misinformation shoved out at every opportunity about past titles and current ones.
Won't someone think of the fans, tho???
I don't care what got cut, or what decisions got made. Nothing justifies the behavior that we've seen since this announcement came about. These threads have been inundated with lazy dev rhetoric and bad faith arguments (and unfortunately, I must admit, I made some of them and let my biases affect me). Going "But won't someone think of the corporation?!" like it's baby's first effort at consumer advocacy won't change what's already done, and just like with LGPE, whether or not the game is successful isn't owed to anyone, and people who do celebrate its success - if it happens - are just as justified as you are for being mad about it.
I've talked about getting perspective before, but there's a basic level of decency that hasn't been part of this. You're just gonna have to do what I took too long to learn to do - Deal With It.
I feel like anyone planning to transfer their high level previous starters would know about the roster cuts by now considering they're going to be unusable for most of the game.
That wasn't her only post. She made posts after that.In the magical fairy hypothetical scenario where the game does have all Pokémon, she'd have to wait a few months for compatibility to transfer it.
Finding out Bayleef can't appear in real life ? I don't know. She might be upset. She might not and just move on. Choosing to show off Bayleef in a post doesn't mean she's predisposed towards anything. We don't know anything about this person other than she's waiting for SwSh and she likes Bayleef.
You say that you don't want to be a dick and yet you make a dig towards Charizard's fan?
I am willing to bet that Charizard will probably get the cut in gen 9 and as some who has spent 20 years using Charizard across multiple version across many generations. I am okay if he sits a game out. I will be gutted for sure but eh, I can survive as he's still in past generations will return in future titles.
Having criticism towards a series is fine but when you get to the point of hostility and refuse to listen to reason, then you have become a toxic fan.
This pretty much, I came back to era because I wanted to chat about Pokémon and discuss the hype and build up for the leak.
So far the whole negative has been drowning it out and whole, urgh, "dexit" crowd have shouting and harassing those who are excited for the game as if we have betrayed the fandom.
Doubtful, as in gen 4 you have to see all Pokémon in the Sinnoh dex which required either doing a lot of trades or playing the entire game and fighting every trainers. In gen 5 you had to play the entire game. Gen 6 Bank wasn't accessible till a few month after X and Y launch and Gen 7 wasn't compatible till a few months after launch.
Now while you would eventually gain access to the Pokémon, the point is that there was a period of time that you weren't able to bring them in. This is the same except it's on a game by game bases.
Also I am not trilled on folks digging up twitter post and weaponizing them just to prove their point. It's crass behaviour.
This the irony is that the entire fandom has been a complete shit show and not a single side wants to own up to itWe just got past the unneeded attacks on Joe and now the other side has to come in to shit the thread back up. Awesome.
i will be the voice of reason to sayThis the irony is that the entire fandom has been a complete shit show and not a single side wants to own up to it
This the irony is that the entire fandom has been a complete shit show and not a single side wants to own up to it
We just got past the unneeded attacks on Joe and now the other side has to come in to shit the thread back up. Awesome.