PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!
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I'm sure they'll have a couple of legacy titles, on par with previous generations. But like previous generations, they'll move to the PS5.
PS4s been supported plenty. And they've been saving plenty for PS5 over the last couple of years.
I'm kind of split on this. On one hand, most of the games this gen would scale down to older hardware fine if we cut the graphics far enough, so a prettier evolution of current gen design shouldn't be anything new. However, the lack of innovation can be pointed to the lacking CPU in these systems. That won't be the case next gen though, so I would prefer to see at least some games designed entirely around the capabilities of these next gen systems.
I'm hoping this is more of some PR speak to calm concerns of people who more recently purchased their consoles or they plan to offer these games to older hardware through xcloud. I find it hard to believe, a d would ultimately be disappointed, if Hellblade 2, Fable, Forza Horizon 5, the Initiative's game, etc. we're locked down to last gen hardware.
Yeah, you either don't understand my point or just want to argue. So good day to you.
Yeah, I doubt that heavily.
I don't think it makes sense for him to openly admit he didn't have any info on the PS5 before just to start lying that he does now.
Thanks and sorry again for my earlier posts.
*hugs back*
*yes I know I'm weird.
That Brad Sams "benchmark" video is so useless it'd be funny if it wasn't so sad. How on earth is anybody meant to take the guy seriously with content like that.
And it isn't like he's not a smart guy - he knows that "random game I'm not going to tell you loads a minute faster than time I'm not going to tell you" is useless information.
Entertainingly bad. Loses you credibility points.
And it isn't like he's not a smart guy - he knows that "random game I'm not going to tell you loads a minute faster than time I'm not going to tell you" is useless information.
Entertainingly bad. Loses you credibility points.
There is a difference between abandoning a platform (which I don't believe Sony is doing- a phase out is more likely) and what apparently Xbox is doing (which seems crazy to not launch with at least a few next-gen only titles that fully take advantage of the massive CPU and GPU upgrades and showcase its capabilities). The more info that gets released the more I'm skeptical of Xbox business moves (I still think Lockhart is unwise unless massively cheaper- and if rumors are true and you can just play the same XSX games on your X or S current gen...they aren't really making a great argument on why to make an upgrade to a slightly cheaper next-gen model). I'll be getting both XSX and PS5 because I can't help myself, but can't help but worry Xbox isn't coming out with a clear strategy and value proposition for the new generation. We still don't know a ton though...
When you see the difference between a game like forza if its cross gen with RT 4-8K 60-120fps vs no rt 4k 60fps you will know why to upgrade lol
I don't understand how its pro consumer to sell someone a high end new console and not provide content that makes best use of it.
There is all this talk about being 'forced to buy a new console' - nobody is forced to buy anything. You want to keep your XB1 - just buy XB1 games.
Personally I want reasons to buy a new piece of hardware. And generally - the same game in higher res/framerate is not enough (although it was for mid-gen..)
Not at all. I imagine it will be retired in 2023. Sony will see cross gen games as well.
I don't think gaming is a priority for him just nice add on. He does MS news in generally.
I know folks are thirsty for news but if your source is giving out vinegar 🤷♂️.
I'm in the same boat, I am just confused as to what their strategy is. Are they not interested in winning console wars anymore? Or they've thrown in the towel and gone all in on subscription service? Because, if you own any device from previous gen of Xbox family (be it launch Xbox One , Xbox One S, Xbox One X) what incentive do you have to pick a Lockhart/Anaconda at launch this fall? Over PS5? You've been assured that nothing from Xbox FP for 2 years would be missable as they'd be supported on Xbox console which you already own. It's like conceding an open goal to Sony at launch, bizarre.
Any new FP titles from their WWS would be PS5 exclusive. Why? Proof is in the past, likes of Killzone ShadowFall, Infamous SS, Knack etc. were all PS4 exclusives. Those PS4s will be still be 'supported for next few years', just by third-party publishers out there, not WWS.
Completely agree with this. There needs to be a compelling reason to upgrade beyond some scaled up graphical features and resolution of the same current gen games. If you don't sell people on the next gen having experiences/capabilities that are beyond what you can do/get currently, what's the reason to upgrade?...and makes Lockhart at its substantially weaker rumored specs an even weirder proposition.
It's pro-consumer to Xbox One owners; more support more into the future... more use out of the device you bought without it becoming obsolete..MS practically abandoning their consoles in the past was anti-consumer.
It's certainly not anti-consumer to XSX buyers because nobody is tricking you into buying it or anything; the console they are selling you is not advertised to have games for it that are made exclusively for it.
It's advertised that they are working on those games for the future. So don't buy it if that's what you want to wait for.
But I'd personally.. wait to see the games that are out, the features of the new system, etc. to make a decision like that. Some cross-gen games might blow us away on next gen systems. Some exclusives might be pretty duds.
At the risk of being a little bit harsh - if MS wanted to show support for XB1 owners they could have done that with more first party content during the core of its active life over the last 6 years
I'm not convinced that we saw games very different from what was existing before this generation (except for VR). The Witcher 3 is running on a Switch and is nothing more than the same game, but running on previous gen hardware.
But I agree that I don't really know where to put Lockhart in this case.
Isn't MS going to make games at the highest quality for the new Xbox? It's going to be just like pc it seems. Seems like a lot of concern for the sake of concern. Xbox one will be low settings. Series X high of the high. Seems simple.
Well that's the worrying part. FP launch window games don't have a good track record. Let's hope that changes.
When they said it the fastest was 3.5gbs
Is this what PS5 SSD is going to perform or better? Since Sony said that they have the never seen before SSD solution.
That's what I assumed ps4 has about 30mm potential sales left they'd be nuts to not cross gen titles when available. Leaving 40mm psplus members in the cold would be dumb too
That's as definitive a source as you'll get outside of AMD confirming a number.
Keep in mind this has all 32MB of L3 cache. Flute benchmark only had 8MB, similar to 4800H. That will save quite a bit of space. (And lower L3 access latency marginally).
I think it's the latest thing Lisa showed the other day, so 8c.
edit: what Anex said above.
Sounds good for die space anexanhume !
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As far as I remember people were somewhat angry for the fact that MS abandoned their consoles before the next gen launch, not after.
I think that the good pro-consumer move would be "some of our first-party titles as well as all the major third-party hits will be available on X1S as well for the next couple of years", not the one quoted. I hope it's something "lost in translation" - timeframe or "applicable to X1X only", otherwise it's a bad move however you look at it.
Well, just look at history. Sony moved forward quickly with all their gens. We saw it with this one too. There isn't any need for that to change.
Big event type games that are showcases for the hardware is Sony's thing. They won't let previous hardware hamper that.
And maybe I didn't understand because you didn't explained it well. But fair enough (it wasn't for arguing), let's move on.
It isn't concern for the sake of concern.
there are simply game design limitations for a 1.6Ghz Jaguar CPU, 8GB RAM and 1.3TF GPU. Not to mention not having an SSD so those games could not be built around an SSD.
They could have nothing that was not possible on 2013 Xbox One, we're taking double the RAM (with faster bandwidth), 10TFs+ and a huge CPU gap.
Lockhart and Anaconda are one thing, but OG Xbox would limit how the games are designed.
For example, I believe the Batmobile in Arkham Knight used like 160MB RAM. Had the game been on 360, it would have been downscaled significantly since the 360 has 512MB, not 8GB.
The RAM and CPU differences will be especially restricting. I know games scale, and yes PC games have low settings, but no one wants their cutting edge 2020-22 games held back by the PC they bought in 2013. They'd rather low settings be based on PCs of a year or two ago
I guess we will all see how the games play in about 10 months or so! Exciting times ahead. Thanks for the explanation.
Assuming 8MB L3 I would guess it would take ~45-50mm2 die space. Or slightly less space as 8c Jaguar took at 28nm.
I get what you are saying...I guess the thing is...I think of all the hardware developers, Microsoft needs a few killer exclusives the most to really convince people to jump. Nintendo gets away with being less powered because they are providing a different game experience and their game output has been on fire this gen. XBOX not having games that are fully taking advantage (and being exclusive) to next gen hardware makes it hard to convince someone they shouldn't just stay in the PS ecosystem. Lockhart just seems like a no-man's land in terms of value (especially if it turns out there aren't going to be many or any first party exclusives for the first year or two)...I could see Lockhart maybe being compelling if its substantially cheaper and if it was the way to get into the next gen exclusive Xbox games without a huge cost commitment (but if I can play slightly downgraded on a OneX the same games...whats the point?)...Who knows...I'm probably wrong about it all ha...
As for The Witcher...I don't think it sells on Switch if it weren't for the fact that it's Witcher 3 on the go. Nintendo has a very distinct experience that you can't get elsewhere.
Yeah sorry that's what I meant; but this is sort of the opposite of that.
Either way supporting a device with software longer is more pro consumer than stopping support.
I'm confused how this is an argument.
Dude they said a year. Most games are cross gen the first year anyways. They're gonna be putting serious work into stuff like Halo on the XSX anyways
If they skip E3 do they just load more game announcements in the PS Meeting? I think they split with PSX 2020.
They won't abandoning it. You will still see services, third party games and indies released on the console.
But you won't see a first party studio release anything on it. The only exception can be VR as it is considered an other platform by SONY.
Yep.
Maybe they do an earlier PSX, like a month before PS5 launch, and go ham there?
If they are done a ps3 version yes , why wouldn't they want more potential cash
Thanks. Updated my silicon layout model.
What if PSX is a PS5 launch event? The first PS5 gets sold there, like what happened last time
But MS goal is not to sell the new boxes, it's to get ppl to sub into gamepass, in that regards this strategy makes sense. They're not forcing anyone to buy xsx. Again I don't agree with this direction but looking at what they want to accomplish, it makes sense for them to go this route. They'll not convince anyone that has a PlayStation to jump over with that strategy but maybe it's for newcomers. As for the person that asked if Sony will then abandon the PS4 after the ps5 releases? Technically they've laid the ground work for 3rd party to carry on and support the system while they move on and do the same with the ps5
I'm straight as a bullet but i kind of liked that squeeze..........
You're allowed to do that once in a while.
I wonder what could then fit in the remaining die space of ~250mm2 (assuming a 300mm2 PS5 die) and 350mm2 for the Scarlett die?
This is all next gen launch games are going to be whether its PS5 or XSX. Stop fooling yourself. Look at PS4/XB1 launch titles compares to late gen PS3 and X360 games. There was no new or magical gameplay change that suddenly appeared just because of the new gen. It takes 2-3 for devs to start really taking advantage of the new hardware and by that point MS will have transitioned off of the XB1.
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