PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
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GA100 is not a GeForce card. That is going to be their new datacenter top-end card. And ya, nvidia's new cards are going to be incredible, no surprises there.
I actually estimated 25% so I was wrong but in the grand scheme of things 40% boost from GCN to RDNA is magnificent!
WTF? Did we suddenly turn a corner on GPU gains or something? Is AMD getting competitive with RDNA finally forcing Nvidia to work for our dollars in earnest?
i think you were only about .5 TF off the mark so it's not that bad
it's 43.75% improvement (25% improvement on GCN + 15% improvement on RDNA1)
...I still can't believe that MS ever publicly referred to territories as tier 2. That is such a huge marketing mistake that it still surprises me 7 years later. Even if objectively from a stock standpoint you need to launch in several stages and prioritise higher margin regions than others, its definitely not a thing you would phrase the way they did.
Who would ever respond well to you and your (likely underdog product) when you are referring to their county as "tier 2"? They should have just said something like second stage or second wave launches which are still accurate but obviously much less insulting.
My tinfoil hat theory if the PS5 ends up being 9.2 would be that the insiders that said the XSX was slightly weaker than the PS5 saw the 13 GCN number for PS5 and the 12 TF RDNA2 number for the Series X and didn't know the technical differences.
They did announce 15%+ IPC RDNA1 to RDNA2? Do we have a link or slide or sound bit?
I hope this is not based on my estimation earlier in the thread ...
Pfff I'm tired.. I think so too.... Honestly i forgot that i responded to you lmao.. Was a surprise that you quoted me... Sorry for that.
What about my post did you get that i was anything other than relaxed? Strange way to communicate.. Honestly i got more of a problem how you are phrasing that "mistake" lol.
While AMD officially said 25% vega to RDNA1, if we compare to Polaris, its around 30% from all the tests i saw, and polaris is more relevant considering 1) it has 40CU chip so the comparison is better 2) the pro consoles uses polaris
I just really doubt that any console game developer is going to keep developing for 1080p as the main resolution when they have GPUs with 9-12 TFLOPS to play with. Not to mention that it is harder to buy a 1080p TV these days then a 4k TV just due to most manufacturers having phased 1080p out as 4k panels get cheaper and cheaper. Even the best looking Sony exclusives from this last generation took advantage of the extra resolution power given by the PS4 Pro instead of just ramping graphic affects.
I don't know why some are going to so much length to make PS5 9.2tf....
And yes, yes he did. He also said that nothing changed when MS came out with double the X....
Because technically you could make the Vega run efficiently, but you had to do it in a specific way so it's not idling
that's why outside of IPC improvement, you'll see gains on top of it all. It's just not something you can measure easily because different games run better or worse depending on how well optimized it was
and this I don't know I totally missed it... I saw people on B3D talking about it but now looking at the thread again they may be mistaken. Perhaps there's no improvement afterall? I really don't want to watch over it all over again to confirm
edit: we do have improved IPC but no confirmed number as shown here https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15591/Navi2x_PPW.png
I didn't know he said that, just trying to figure out how the Insiders could have gotten things wrong if the PS5 specs end up below what they said they were.
Just a request to everyone. While 4chan rumors aren't explicitly disallowed, we ask that you not use direct links to 4chan. Just grab screencaps.
Oh come on we all know why.
The mental gymnastics must be tiring.
When did you see any statistic of perf/flop?
What mental gymnastics am I performing? If the PS5 ends up being below 12 Teraflops then he either had bad info or lied, so I'm trying to figure out why that happened.
What? HD DVD drive was a niche product that very few people could make use of and in the middle of a format war that it ended up losing. Not comparable in the least.
Cost conscious consumers are exactly who is being targeted with a digital-only (i.e., Game Pass) strategy. Hundreds of games for $10/mo. The pitch is clear: "Series S plays all your Game Pass titles, no discs needed! If you do want to play old discs or buy used games at the store, you can get an external drive for just $XX at any major retailor." MS will be driven to get the sticker price as low as possible to get people on board the Game Pass train, and cutting the drive will help them do that.
No insiders aside from Klee has given any number for PS5.
Which he said 10+ everyone else they are close or one has slight edge over the other .
So when the PS5 number comes out we will see what they mean by close.
Or perhaps they got things right and github didn't tell us the whole story...hmmmm possibility?
You're trying to figure out why something happened that hasn't happened yet. Just so we're clear.
That's possible, no one will know until all the specs are out. I'm just speculating... in the speculation thread.
I know he did for Series X. He did say both companies talk only RDNA now tho.
My tin foil hat theory I posted earlier was him and Matt might have both seen or heard RDNA 2. Matt said hardware rt for PS5, Klee said vrs for both.
I am speculating possible outcomes.... in the speculation thread.
No explicit numbers, but, can be deducted that the number was >12.
- Both above 10
- PS5 slightly more powerful in TF
- Both RDNA
- Not surprised after the 12TF announcement from MS, his previous statements did not change
I found the unfounded blind defense funny 🤷🏾♂️ Also, "You gotta relax" is just a phrase. Just means slow down for a second. Or maybe you meant to completely misread the situation in which case, have a blast!
Definitely time for a class action! These microaggressions will not stand, man!
Oh i know i mostly talking about the others that say they close and give no number .
When PS5 specs drop we will see what they mean and if they were right.
Maybe that's what will force them into revealing it. Let's make the placeholder ps5 as ugly as possible that the general public will start thinking that's what it actually looks like, forcing Sony's hand.
It just turns into (GCN equiv)
XSX: 15TF+
PS5: 11.5TF+
Lockhart: 5TF+ (4.8TF to match X1X)
but you must not forget this doesn't account for something like VRS which is in 20-30% range improved perf so these consoles will be performing beyond what I stated anyways.
Jason Schreier did say they were both targeting over Stadia's TF number (not performance metric). So we can infer > 10.7TF (number).
He also said they were really close and above 2080 super performance.
So two who 'gave' us a number range.
I think the reason they haven't released anything yet is because they don't feel they have to.
PS4 is having an absolutely corking year. Dreams, FFVII, Last of US 2 and GoT are all going to absolutely destroy it, PS4 is likely to be >110 million units by years end.
They are in the driving seat here, they have nothing to prove.
I wouldn't take their silence as indicative of anything, they are in the driving seat when it comes to next gen.
Blind defense? meant to misread the situation? Dude wtf...
yeah if there is one that needs to calm down and step back it's probably you... I have no clue why you are upset but wow....
I don't get how so many people are dismissing Jason Schreier, they guy with the best track record of leaks in the entire industry.
He is basically almost never wrong.
Yep there is no need to rush things .
People were saying we getting no Sony news and yesterday we got TLOU TV show and GOT date .
They have a very stack next few months just counting exclusive add in 3rd party and IMO this could go down as one of the best years in gaming ever .
Nvidia has always had the better tech in the GPU space, not sure what you mean by earning our dollars. And ya, 7nm happened, that's why we'll be seeing big gains in performance.
Upset about what? You thought a post was saying something that it wasn't and answered it on the defensive. I basically told you to chill because you were barking up a non-existent tree and...here we are. There's nothing to be mad about lol. I think you took my saying "relax" as a term of aggression or something. Me, you and the other poster are all saying the same thing; Sony will likely dominate next gen.
They are waiting for PS4 sales to hit around 120 million, so that they can finally use the prepared slide in their presentation, where they transition the 120 million number to a 12 for 12TF for PS5. LOL All the silence and waiting makes sense now! They want to get the final sales boost with this years blockbuster games!
Much like the 9.2 rumours they're probably loving it. Since when they announce both aspects are better everyone will be impressed. The rumors are basically creating an "under promise/over deliver" scenario...and that's something money can't buy.
Tinfoil hat theory or wishful thinking? We might never find out.
This amazing final PS4 year is probably the best PS5 marketing what Sony can do.
People got again a console with top 1st party games until the end of the gen and that will give them a lot of confidence for the PS5.
Especially for a PS5 which has BC :)
I said this last week and caught a ban for days. Even thought it's basic knowledge. 🤣
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