People keep insisting that this has nothing to do with GG, and yet her reaction to the death of a prominent GG leader keeps getting brought up. Weird.
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The controversial ArenaNet firings of Guild Wars 2 writers (READ OP)
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How is that even a thing. What the crap is this company doing... Seems like they truly dug themselves a hole here, and are happily wallowing deeper and deeper in it...
So, this is the part I'm still confused about. Where was she harassed? In the original tweet I mean? I'm listening, because I understand that maybe she perceived being harassed and surely has been a lot in the past, but it seemed like a neutral customer anecdote to me. And as a developer, one of the things I am adamant about is that I don't care how fucking god tier you are at your job, you can get better, you can benefit from outside perspectives, and you listen to customer anecdotes. Are 90% of them worthless garbage that come from ignorance or directly contradict massive amounts of data? Yes. Do you shut down the collection mechanisms? Not if you want to stay in business.
The topic of conversation is actually far, far more than that. There's far more nuance in the discussion than "Gator/Not Gator".
I would say the people obsessed with "woman was rude on Twitter" are missing the forest for the trees. Doesn't make them sexist or Gators (I mean, some might be hiding behind that pretext for sure but it's not easy to say when talking about just text on a screen), simply misinformed.
EDIT: Being cognizant of the social environment at this day and age is hardly "desperate", I'm genuinely curious why you chose that word.
I get the impression a lot of people saying things like "most employers would be fine with an employee celebrating other industry members deaths and attacking its customers for no reason" don't have a lot of experience with being employed
You're extrapolating this far outside the context of the discussion. I was making a simple joke, after he responded to my original post responding to someone else who was being a tad rediculous.
This is about an employee on social media, insulting a community member in a quite unprovoked way. Regardless of how I feel about worker conditions. It's not really acceptable behavior. I obviously think Peter was mistreated in all of this. But I can't really defend her behavior here, regardless of cultural climate.
What the poster I was responding to me too was saying in part was that she began treating someone who didn't appear to have, nor mention or relate to in any way. As an enemy, for reasons that really didn't have anything to do with the guy or his behavior. At least that was my take.
Oh right, that'll surely make his recently widowed wife feel a whole lot better, knowing it was just light stepping on his grave rather than kicking up the flowers on his tombstone. Oh wait, no it doesn't:
was Genna turning to her late husband's critics for compassion? did Price quote tweet this or something?
I didn't gave up my train seat today to an elderly person, I guess I should be fired.
This is peak whataboutism.
If a beloved figure in the industry you hated dies of cancer, you keep your mouth closed for a little while. This is proper etiquette for anyone that passes away that isn't some mass murderer.
Oh she's been harassed a lot and still is, but not by Denoir though.
People gotta stop thinking this is a retail store. This is Twitter and video game development.
Jesus tap dancing christ what is wrong with some of you people?
Twitter is a public space. What you say on Twitter is no different than if you shouted it from a megaphone.
try not advertising your personal account with your job description then? usually helps with not being associated with your job lmao
So you can't have opinions and get angry at people if you say where do you work when you use your personal account out off work? Do you realize how silly that is?
reading through the first few pages it's amazing how terrible most people's first instincts about this were
Leaving a review is significantly different. You review your experience with the product, which requires zero expertise in the MAKING of that product. You might think the coffee is shit, but that doesn't mean you're qualified to tell them 'if you planted the beans when the temperature was 5 degrees warmer you'd get a less bitter taste'
He's no longer around to defend himself but spent years shitting on people who needed defending. Sympathies for his family, but his dickish behavior was part of his legacy too.Oh right, that'll surely make his recently widowed wife feel a whole lot better, knowing it was just light stepping on his grave rather than kicking up the flowers on his tombstone. Oh wait, no it doesn't:
It's fine to critical of someone, but publicly celebrating his death when he's no longer around to defend himself and his family is still grieving is so fucking crude.
Or, you talk shit if you think you can get away with it. Just don't be upset if there are repercussions.
As much as people on this forum love to mock "Free Speech" guys, they seem to fall in the same logical pit falls when it comes to issues they care about.
What are you talking about? How is that even related to this topic?
Sorry mate but that's really absurd.
No, but I had my company office card on, so people may have seen when do I work.
Do you mean I should get fired?
When you're representing your company and the conversation topic is relevant to your company? Absolutely not.
You can't just be "associated with X company" when it's convenient for you. That's absurd.
And Jessica Price will have no one to blame but herself for muddying the waters even further by turning a situation that had nothing to do with gender politics into one due to being willfully unable to accept responsibility for her actions, deflecting blame to literally anyone and anything but herself, getting her own co-worker fired, hiding her toxic behavior behind the banner of fighting mysoginy and sexism and unwittingly empowering a contingent of idiots on the internet.
The way she so deftly managed to play the sexism card while lacking any sort of self-critical thinking in order to gain internet sympathy points from people who trip over each other to demonstrate how much more woke one is from the last, to the point of character assassinating his supposed aggressor (who was even praising her a day prior to the incident) every which way till sunday is truly astounding.
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It's also something he regretted saying and admitted being really stupid to say (I would also agree). He made a mistake and acknowledged that, doesn't fully excuse it of course. But as we've seen by Price too, people make mistakes. And also only people who seem to talk about the times he has stood up against bigotry are the butthurt bigots that were told off by TB. He did it multiple times, he had stated that hate, harassment and bullying isn't welcome in his fanbase.
Edit: I don't want to derail this discussion out of the topic at hand, but TB is bit involved in this case considering Price's Twitter history. And people keep bringin him up. And for the record, I don't condone his "support" for Gamergate. He absolutely didn't need them to do what he does (consumer advocate) and should have acknowledged GG as the rotten movement it is and not try to use "but for me it's about" since GG:s motivations weren't/aren't good.
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yeah if you shouted it froma megaphone to a very select audience who actively chose to listen
Seems silly to apply that situation to this one given the vast discrepancy in job type, industry, etc. Particularly given that the situations are not really the same.
Oh, absolutely. Whatever happened to people always "Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences" all the time? This is the exact scenario you're talking about.
Ultimately, say whatever you want. Whatever happens, your rights aren't being infringed on if the government isn't getting involved.
Disagreed when you are wearing your nametag for your job and talking about work. You may be off the clock, but you're still representing your employer.
This is not and hasn't been the case for quite a while.
Yet the company can be seen as choosing to associate with an individual who views their customer base with contempt and risks that base reacting negatively or removing themselves as paying customers. This provides plenty of impetus for the company to fire someone and doing so is entirely within their rights.
None of what you said here is true.
Criticism if fine, but right after his death and bringing his death into the criticism isn't. It's distasteful. Especially as he was part of the Guild Wars 2 community
Harassed by gamers who didn't like Price being outspoken about social issues on social media. I'm not talking about the YouTuber guy, but the organized movement to get Price fired before and after the exchange that Arenanet fell for.
Etiquette never mattered much to him in life when it came to his support for a hate group. Why should the people he helped victimize afford it to him?
You'd be hard pressed to find someone in this thread actively arguing that Price shouldn't have faced any consequence at all.
I can literally look up ANYONE's Twitter post if its not made private. Maybe only a select few will initially listen from the start, but its public to EVERYONE.
If you don't want to respond to a comment... don't respond to a comment?
There have been several posters like BoukObelisk and Relaxed Muscle who have done just that.
A friend of mine works at a large car manufacturer, as an engineer. He wears a shirt with the company's logo to work. Sometimes, after work, a bunch of people from his office go to a bar together. Still wearing those shirts.
Now, a random guy who bought one of that company's cars is in that bar too, sees them and tells them "Have you tried putting square wheels on the car? That might improve things". He tells him to fuck off. Should he be fired?
good lord some of you people will take any available opportunity to spew this kind of garbage, huh?
Best part is, Jessica herself realises this, yet conveniently forgot all about it when said financial consequences came back to bite her on the ass.
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Stop lying and bullshitting.
This is bullshit civility politics and it needs to get buried deep
I haven't actively participated in your specific discussion in this thread, but I have a quick question for you, why are you trolling people who are wanting a civil discourse with you?
oh so you mean you're actively engaging with them and not being forced to see things you don't want to? cool so we agree
You know an easy way to not get people to cheer when you die? It is not be a bad person during your life. I wouldn't have cheered for his death but I am not ignorant not to understand why someone would feel differently about it.Oh right, that'll surely make his recently widowed wife feel a whole lot better, knowing it was just light stepping on his grave rather than kicking up the flowers on his tombstone. Oh wait, no it doesn't:
It's fine to critical of someone, but publicly celebrating his death when he's no longer around to defend himself and his family is still grieving is so fucking crude.
When you are dead, you don't need to defend yourself since what the living do is not relevant. The only thing you can do is come into the world do your best, leave a positive impression and move on, hopefully people will remember you fondly.
Best part is, Jessica herself realises this, yet conveniently forgot all about it when said financial consequences came back to bite her on the ass.
lmao damn. That's very funny.
I got you confused with the other guy, who blatantly claimed anyone who wasn't with them is a GamerGater.
No, I'd say I see the whole forest. Most are cut for lumber. One is cut down because it started a forest fire. In front of that tree are environmentalist nuts dancing in the flames, while some people on the cliff go "it was obviously them who did it".
Because it was a nebulously defined "organization" in the first place and just as much as a significant event in the gaming industry as it is an easy crutch for people who don't have an argument to start labeling people with. See: this thread
Uh
You got some people calling the ability to insult customers without penalty a workers right b lol
Calling people gamergaters for not agreeing
There are plenty of people in this thread that have said she did nothing wrong.
Regardless of whether you're a person of color, male or female, a different race, etc. You do not under no circumstances be rude to a customer. Especially when you're representing your company under your social media. Because at the end, that will come and reflect on the company you're working. Which is why she got fired. Was the firing a bit extreme? Yes. But at the point that is up to her boss to decide.
What anyone says on social media always carry consequences. Personal or professional.
What anyone says on social media always carry consequences. Personal or professional.
What level of social "wrongness" should get you fired from a company. Not being sad at someone's passing is level 2? Two level 2 infractions gets you fired? Not letting a seat for elderly people is level 1 then? So if I do it 4 times I should get fired?