I enjoyed that The Good Place representatives were all the definition of a milquetoast neoliberal. This show isn't afraid to chastise the worst parts of either spectrum.
Valuing civility and nicety over meaningful progress is extremely modern democrat.Also I don't know what would make you define them politically at all.
I really missed The Good Place. Such a great episode, I was smiling the whole way through.
Jason's line about refugees at the very beginning just killed me. Probably because of the current political climate.
I enjoyed that The Good Place representatives were all the definition of a milquetoast neoliberal. This show isn't afraid to chastise the worst parts of either spectrum.
That shouldn't matter. It's still his intent to do good for the sake of a reward. That's why none of Tahani's accomplishments mattered. She was doing it FOR something, not because it was the right thing to do.They already addressed that based on the rules, he was doing well because he didn't know the rules to get in.
jeez it must suck being forced to watch something you dislike so much. i hope your captors release you soonOnce again the Eleanor and Chidi love story proves to be one of the most forced and awkward relationships ever shown on thelevision.
Eleanor being one of the most underwritten personalities doesn't help either. Rewatching her on s01e01, s02 and now just shows how lazy they've been with her character development.
Not to mention how most episodes have just been having the main cast stand in a line in empty rooms for two seasons.
They should make this the Michael and Janet show. They are the only interesting characters on it, and the only ones with whom they actually try to be creative.
The world building is still strong and where most of the show shines but the protagonists are bland and their relationships utterly underdeveloped and unbelievable, the jokes unfunny and the camerawork and staging is often as lazy as a sitcom's. I'm starting to hate this show.
S1E1 was never surpassed.
Thank god 99 was picked up again.
He's in the Bad Place, they're forcing him to watch the show over and over.jeez it must suck being forced to watch something you dislike so much. i hope your captors release you soon
makes sense
jeez it must suck being forced to watch something you dislike so much. i hope your captors release you soon
Sorry guys I had to vent.He's in the Bad Place, they're forcing him to watch the show over and over.
Don't worry, I'm just joking!
I'm not sure I'm in love with the anticapitalist take on what the point system implies, honestly. The whole thread there was that the people making those point value decisions are wrong. That there may or may not be ethical consumption under capitalism, but it's wrong to condemn people for participating in the systems as they exist. There's definitely a jab at capitalism in there, but it's made murky by the show-specific stuff going on.
Yeah, that's the show's point - but that makes the takes emphasizing the anticapitalist nature of the episode sort of an overstatement. All I was getting at.Isn't that the exact point that the show is trying to make? That the points system has become outdated for the complexity of the system we live in?
Watched 3 episodes (first season). Didn't really enjoy, don't really think it is a bad show. How long till it clicks?
Episode 4 was where it clicked for me. If that still doesn't do anything for you, the show might just not be for you.Watched 3 episodes (first season). Didn't really enjoy, don't really think it is a bad show. How long till it clicks?
Mindy gets the consequential points for helping people, but not the negatives for whatever exact way they were helped.
I feel like they have to go with the broader heading. 600 years ago meant the world was still pretty firmly pre-capitalist, as it's mostly understood. The bigger problem being that people are too interconnected to judge any given individual by all their downstream effects is more in keeping with how it was presented, too.Very down with the anti capitalism implications. Will be curious to see if they lean into that or if they go with the broader "the dang world just got too complicated"
The thing about Doug Forcett doesn't bother me. Unless I'm forgetting something, he's not explicitly doing it for the reward of the afterlife, he's doing it because it's the way he thinks the universe is supposed to work. By that metric, nobody who
follows any religion would make it into their respective afterlife.
Biggest plot hole for me right now is Mindy St Clair.
It honestly feels like a huge renege to me. You can rationalize it a dozen different ways but it was still a large shift in the show's plot without much if any foreshadowing.So if nobody has gotten into the Good Place in 500 years, was Michael lying in Season 1 when he said every President except Lincoln was in the Bad Place?
That shouldn't matter. It's still his intent to do good for the sake of a reward. That's why none of Tahani's accomplishments mattered. She was doing it FOR something, not because it was the right thing to do.
I did find it pretty clever the point system's flaw is because it's nearly impossible to not benefit from someone's misery past a certain cap in history. Kinda lends to how bad we are today at punishing corporations for underhanded tactics and poor conditions for workers because it'd be inconvenient but still perceive ourselves as good people.
So if nobody has gotten into the Good Place in 500 years, was Michael lying in Season 1 when he said every President except Lincoln was in the Bad Place?
I feel like early on it can be explained away as a part of his lies, but also it seems he was being lied to
This would be akin to "there's no such thing as a selfless good deed, because it makes you feel good so it's selfish"
Jason is my biggest problem with the show. Everything about the character is so lazy.It really bugs me how Jason just gets dumber as the show goes on. If you go by his behavior this episode, he's stupid to the point that there's no way he's the same person that pulled off the Jianyu ruse for so long.
Yeah and Lincoln's motivation for fighting the Civil War might be a tad dubious under Good Place rules, given he was doing it to preserve the Union first and foremost, with emancipation a secondary concern.
I think it works best if you just ignore it and assume Michael was lying to Eleanor.
Eh... The 2nd Season made an effort to show that nothing Michael said about how the afterlife works was a lie, though. There was no reason to lie about Lincoln getting in, especially since he was the sole example of a Good Place inductee until this season.
Having had a think on it, Michael might actually think Lincoln did indeed go to the Good Place, since he had no clue no one had gotten in for 500 years. The Bad Place may be lying to its own people in order to stop them questioning how the system benefits them.
Jason is definitely my least favorite of the group. Not saying he has to become a genius overtime or anything but the whole "being an idiot just to be an idiot" thing got old fast.
The bad place loves who let the dogs out so they are truly the good placeI think you all trust the good place a little too thoroughly. I think the characters in the show do too though. I await the heel turn of the actual good place
Chidi Sees the Time-Knife
Eleanor and the gang meet the judge at the crossroads of all dimensions, time and space to plead their case and Janet makes a reconnection.