Volimar

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Oct 25, 2017
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How long until I can stop seeing the stupid Trump Hotel every time I go to work?


What are you talking about, looks like a lot of fun.

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Jedi2016

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Oct 27, 2017
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At this point I'm convinced that Trump isn't actually rich. Oh, he has money, sure, but it's all borrowed against properties that he's probably still paying on. Borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, perpetually. He's put up this facade for so long that everyone just goes along with it, and if he stiffs you on the bill, well, you must have done something to deserve it (just nobody look to see whether he's ever paid any bill, ever). And he calls it "being smart". A con-man will dress up smart to convince you there's more money in the venture than there really is. Trump's been doing it for so long that he's convinced himself that it's actually true.

If all his debtors came calling tomorrow, he'd be broker than anybody here.
 

Rosinante

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Are you able to just clamp the judge is corrupt like that without facing consequences?
 

B-Dubs

That's some catch, that catch-22
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Oct 25, 2017
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At this point I'm convinced that Trump isn't actually rich. Oh, he has money, sure, but it's all borrowed against properties that he's probably still paying on. Borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, perpetually. He's put up this facade for so long that everyone just goes along with it, and if he stiffs you on the bill, well, you must have done something to deserve it (just nobody look to see whether he's ever paid any bill, ever). And he calls it "being smart". A con-man will dress up smart to convince you there's more money in the venture than there really is. Trump's been doing it for so long that he's convinced himself that it's actually true.

If all his debtors came calling tomorrow, he'd be broker than anybody here.
I'm pretty sure this has been known for a while now
 

Culex

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Oct 29, 2017
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At this point I'm convinced that Trump isn't actually rich. Oh, he has money, sure, but it's all borrowed against properties that he's probably still paying on. Borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, perpetually. He's put up this facade for so long that everyone just goes along with it, and if he stiffs you on the bill, well, you must have done something to deserve it (just nobody look to see whether he's ever paid any bill, ever). And he calls it "being smart". A con-man will dress up smart to convince you there's more money in the venture than there really is. Trump's been doing it for so long that he's convinced himself that it's actually true.

If all his debtors came calling tomorrow, he'd be broker than anybody here.

He's extremely cash-poor. All his wealth is in unrealized monetary gains of his real estate, most of which are highly leveraged on loans based on truly dubious evaluations.

Compared to the average person, he is wealthy, just maybe 95% less wealthy than what he claims.
 
Oct 7, 2018
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What's the deal with what Trump said when he came out of the courtroom at the end of the day?

He was saying something like he thinks the judge was very fair in the last 5 minutes and that he ruled the statute of limitations had already passed for 80% of the claimed infractions?

I thought it was just normal Trump BS but now I'm seeing a video from Forbes on YouTube specifically addressing that comment saying that it's shocking breaking news?
 

Primus

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Oct 25, 2017
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What's the deal with what Trump said when he came out of the courtroom at the end of the day?

He was saying something like he thinks the judge was very fair in the last 5 minutes and that he ruled the statute of limitations had already passed for 80% of the claimed infractions?

I thought it was just normal Trump BS but now I'm seeing a video from Forbes on YouTube specifically addressing that comment saying that it's shocking breaking news?

Thanks to our wonderful chronicler Phisheep, we know that Trump's totally wrong about that.

Just to clarify this, there were two apellate decisions (well, probably more, but two recent ones),

The first one was to apply the NY statutes of limitations to the case. Team Trump took this to mean that he would not be liable for any loans that closed before the limitation period, which is most of them. Judge Engoron has read it so that, where submitting regular financial statements was a condition of the loan, each new fraudulent statement is a new fraud, so it affects nearly none of them. I think Engoron has it right. So the only real impact of this decision was to take Ivanka out of the case as a defendant.
 

Culex

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Thanks to our wonderful chronicler Phisheep, we know that Trump's totally wrong about that.

This is how I think it is, too. I'm no lawyer, but I do deal with commercial loans. Most have covenants, like you must file annually (or sometimes bi-annually) a financial report of your holding, such as bank accounts, assets and other lending exposures. You could in theory have a legitimate origination of your loan, but fraud the shit out of every year after that.
 

Lump

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Oct 25, 2017
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As bad as the attorney is, it's more likely that Trump doesn't understand what he's told by the attorney or just warps what he's told by the attorney into a predetermined narcissistic narrative.
 

Foffy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Like an old dog, this is all he knows how to do.

Wonder how he's gonna take it when this tactic stops working.
 

FrostweaveBandage

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Sep 27, 2019
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Thanks to our wonderful chronicler Phisheep, we know that Trump's totally wrong about that.
What Trump was happy about is that the testimony offered today mentioned the thing about Ivanka's penthouse, which was a deal in 2011, i.e. outside the statute of limitations. The judge questioned this.

The State counted by saying they are not challenging any of the documents that were filed in 2011. They are challenging the additional financial statements about the property prepared beyond that date that lie within the statute of limitations. Trump is happy only because the judge gave a quote that he could use for his masses - the fact that the judge said to the state's lawyers that if they don't have a way in which the Mazar witness testimony relates to the charges on record, then his testimony today was a waste of time. But they are not done questioning him yet.
 

FrostweaveBandage

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Jedi2016

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What Trump was happy about is that the testimony offered today mentioned the thing about Ivanka's penthouse, which was a deal in 2011, i.e. outside the statute of limitations. The judge questioned this.

The State counted by saying they are not challenging any of the documents that were filed in 2011. They are challenging the additional financial statements about the property prepared beyond that date that lie within the statute of limitations. Trump is happy only because the judge gave a quote that he could use for his masses - the fact that the judge said to the state's lawyers that if they don't have a way in which the Mazar witness testimony relates to the charges on record, then his testimony today was a waste of time. But they are not done questioning him yet.
Even though those particular items can't be directly charged, they can still be referenced when establishing a pattern of behavior, can't they?
 
TRIAL - Day 2, Mazars accountant and a gag order
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phisheep

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Oct 26, 2017
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Summary of day 2 (CNN)


Witnesses
Donald Bender (Mazars acountant) - direct in the morning, cross in the afternoon.


Other
Closed session at lunchtime, leading to narrow gag order on Trump (can't discuss court staff)
Another closed session after end of day, don't know what that was about
 
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BFIB

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Oct 25, 2017
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I ended up watching Trump's statements before he headed into the courtroom. He legit said that anyone who gets into business with him has a "buyer beware" comment.
 

BFIB

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Oct 25, 2017
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He really has nothing else but to try and gaslight. He legit is saying "don't believe anything this court is telling you, it's all lies."
 

Nacho Papi

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Oct 27, 2017
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So…why stop at 1.5 b? I mean, double it. It's worth 3 bill. Reality doesn't matter anyway soooz
 

Sheepinator

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Jul 25, 2018
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Colbert last night:

"AG is seeking $250M in penalties. That's a lot of money. According to Trump, $250M is worth as much as $3BN."
 

Ithil

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Oct 25, 2017
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So he's going to claim Mar a Lago is worth "1.5 billion" but a few months from now he's going to also claim a 250 million dollar judgement is unaffordable?