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UK school that hosted Milo to create "unsafe space" to counter "poison of political correctness"
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These dramatic exit posts. You'll have to debate for far longer and in cleverer fashion when you come across alt-righters/nazis cause they don't like backing down or sticking to one topic than just one forum thread like right now ;)
K. . . is it wrong to say that your tag is killing me right now?
Read my post. Failure to understand power structure and "marks of honor" within a power structure are the key. I can't make people educate themselves on their mechanics.
As to the leaving, I never left. Just grabbed shower and can back to a dozen mentions of my name. I don't understand how people are failing to see the purpose of these spaces is to equalize power structures all the while stating there is no social advantage to a specific tag. Come on. It is an indicator of involvement in some form with the power structure. Please dispute that on merit if you disagree.
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
- Jean Paul Sarte, from "Anti-Semite and Jew." (Published 1946)
- Jean Paul Sarte, from "Anti-Semite and Jew." (Published 1946)
Mistakes were made. Proselytizing about how we should have killed thousands of people after the war because that would somehow fix the world today is imbecilic. I'm just not sure how edgy woulda-coulda-shouldas are valuable in this discussion.
Power structures? Marks of honour?
No. It's a tag. That's it. We have warned/banned people with tags. They don't have any special user privileges. I don't know why you're obsessing over this. I really, really don't. But I admit, it's funny.
You need to take a chill pill. It's a tag. A tag. It's not some special indication of favorable relationship with the moderation team. Mods can't even give tags, only admins can. Anyone with a tag is held to the same standard as anyone without. We've banned those with tags as equally as we have banned those without.
I don't think this has ever rung truer than it has for the alt-right "movement".
I think most rational people just dislike being told to support mass killings. That's probably why they're leaving the discussion here.
I don't necessarily agree with this, but at least in this case those generals showed a willingness to take up arms and to murder on mass in defence of slavery. The people today, who are wistfully hoping for a return to a time when there countries were more ethnically homogeneous, as wrongheaded as they are have not advocated or shown a willingness to participate in the mass murder of those they consider outside of their preferred group.
Outside of the extremes, their tactics are mostly grounded in pushing for discriminative legislation and spreading there ideology through the propaganda of their prominent figures. This is where we should meet them, by refuting there ideas and organising to win legislative battles, not by preemptively killing anyone who ever carried a tiki torch in support of "Judeo Christian Values".
OH, so in that case, then how do you expect to debate Nazis that...
you guess it, SUPPORT MASS KILLINGS.
Compromise of course, instead of full genocide and ethnic cleansing we can do half genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Oh we can debate them, but genuinely believing we should kill them for holding bad beliefs is absurd. The Nazi party is gone; neonazis exist, but they do not hold mass sway over the world. There is no world war against fascism right now.
User warned: persisting in thread derailing, ignoring admins/mods
Yikes ok, do people with medals of honor get arrested? No one said it gives a written privilege. But it is an indication of history which allows an acting authoritative power perspective on past history and to execute on that as they wish. One mod may be more lenient while another more strict. I swear it's like you guys never read a single sociology book.
The president of the united states of America is literally a fascist.
If you press them closely they fall silent? Seems good to me! I'll keep challenging anti-semites instead of killing them.
it's a fucking tag, my god. Is this the hill you really want to die on?
Let's ask Gary Young
What Gary Young did is far different than say inviting him to speak, or participate in a debate... Gary Young had far more power as an interviewer who controlled the narrative and controlled when the interview started and when it ended... than the sort of debate thing suggested here that would grant Spencer equal power to those against him, if not greater power/
Sure, buddy. Whatever makes you feel better. Saying it doesn't make it true, though.
There's lots of evidence to prove that statement to be true, so frankly, you're talking BS.
Resettlement Advisor is more than a tag. And you can tell those with that "tag" know it.
I'd say the unsafe space is an excellent idea - if the rest of the campus is then treated as a safe space. Quid pro quo. If people feel so oppressed in that school that they need a designated zone to discuss their ideas, then by all means; but by the same token, ensure that the school protects others from them everywhere else. Failure to do so proves the unsafe space is meaningless and unnecessary; and that safe space advocates are the ones who need designated safe spaces to protect them from hateful attitudes:
Reality has a strong liberal bias. If people want to deny the holocaust, I say let them - but not in a school, which should protect all its students from the malevolence of others and from lies and propaganda. But by all means, give the people who want to talk about how much they hate feminism the equivalent of a smoking area, provided that means you'll shield others from second-hand ignorance everywhere else.
I think the reaction of parents speaks to a broader problem of intolerance and ignorance amongst English society. This school's dick-speech room is just a symptom of a much larger cultural problem.
It happens over and over again, and somehow, I still can't believe it when it happens again.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you blind? Are you just trolling me? How do you not see what's going on in this country and around the world? YOU are the people that led to the holocaust happening.
It's not a hill, I have NEVER stated that a mod won't ban someone with this tag. Period. You guys keep trying to say that's what I'm saying and I'm not. It is a mark. A badge. An indication of a past relationship with the power structure vs a standard user.Period. It does NOT grant special privileges, not everyone involved with have it. But it is an officially recognizable mark that indicates a past relationship with the power structure. Please debate that point of what I'm stating not what you are trying to make me say.
Shhhhhh
...No. It's really not.
Chill with the language.
The moment a neonazi starts talking about mass-murdering minorities is the moment you should end the debate and arrest them according to hate speech laws, incitement etc. It should end right there and then.
Also, I'd argue that there are currenty people in very powerful positions who are sympathetic to neonazi ideals.
I'm seeing reality—a reality that looks nothing like the 1930s. Ad hominem hyperbole doesn't make what you're saying seem reasonable to me.
True not 100% of self harmers are racist, there are some special corner cases. However the vast majority of Leave voters are racist. We have endless amounts of data to back this up.
A mod has PMed me and asked me to drop the debate so I will now drop it.
It's not the racists that you need to convince(even though I don't think that's impossible), it's those who are on the fence that may be vulnerable to being indoctrinated by those with hateful views that are at risk.
This tag stuff is actually killing me.
The power structure at ResetEra is oppressive and should be dismantled.
The power structure at ResetEra is oppressive and should be dismantled.
Violent threats are, when given by someone who will never act on them.
You've really contributed nothing to this thread but being aggressive and hyperbolic. Calm down. It's possible for someone to disagree with you without being a Nazi or Nazi sympathiser ffs. This is just the last hour btw.
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