US PoliEra 2019 |OT3| YOU WERE AT MY WEDDING, DENISE
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I'm glad (and thankful) that many here are being reasonable and level-headed about Barr's summary. Taking Barr's word as gospel is like believing that the last person in a game of telephone will say what the first person in the chain said word for word.
Emily Jane Fox @emilyjanefox
This must feel like a surreal moment for the people who *have* been charged or convicted, who pleaded guilty, who served or will serve time in connection to their relationship with Trump or his campaign.
5:39 PM - Mar 24, 2019
Greg Miller @gregpmiller
Will the Barr letter embolden Trump to issue pardons to those caught in the Russia probe? (asking for a half dozen former Trump advisers).
5:56 PM - Mar 24, 2019
This must feel like a surreal moment for the people who *have* been charged or convicted, who pleaded guilty, who served or will serve time in connection to their relationship with Trump or his campaign.
5:39 PM - Mar 24, 2019
Greg Miller @gregpmiller
Will the Barr letter embolden Trump to issue pardons to those caught in the Russia probe? (asking for a half dozen former Trump advisers).
5:56 PM - Mar 24, 2019
To be fair, he showed alot more spine than 99.99% of republicans, Trump throwing Rosenstein under the bus for the firing of comey must have genuinely pissed him off, and we wouldn't have gotten the mueller investigation without him.
But he turned back into your prototype republican last week, said we should expect bar to act in Barr in good faith, all that none sense that's objectively false.
A "survivor" is, I believe, how the hack Comey characterized him.
I'm pretty confident that the US has Assange or someone from wikileaks and will announce it tomorrow at a news conference. No tweets from them since the plane left London
Yeah, not at all interested in the Barr summary. I want the full report. And I want full details on the following:
- George Nader, who has been cooperating since early 2018 on that infamous meeting between him, Erik Prince, and Kirill Dmitriev :
https://www.thedailybeast.com/revea...discussed-in-that-infamous-seychelles-meeting
This of course is the meeting that Erik Prince blatantly lied about and still hasn't been brought back to "clarify". Also if there's Russian collusion, it would be present here despite neither Nader or Prince being officially part of Trump's team (they totally were unofficially).
- Michael Flynn's meeting with Kislyak and subsequent lies about it and how even after being found out about this and all the other high crimes he was involved with, Mueller and co. still gave him a sweetheart deal due to his "substantial assistance" in the Trump-Russian investigation. So, tell us all about this substantial assistance that led to the final decision.
- Manafort and Kilimnik. I mean, this is the mother of them all. As far as I'm concerned, this theory is still a go:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...t-be-done-manafort-over-kilimnik-ties/584995/
Until we get the full report, this is still my assumption as to what is happening given Rick Gates' continuing efforts in ongoing investigations which were affirmed as recently as this past week, and he was the only other person in that meeting between Manafort and Kilimnik. We still know barely anything about how that thread has gone.
- Everything Rick Gates. See above and see also everything to do with the inauguration and beyond.
Since the Mueller investigation is now concluded, shouldn't be any reason to deny congress or the public from these details. And in addition to seeking the full report and subpoenaing Barr and Mueller and Rod, they need to also subpoena a lot of the guys I just mentioned - namely the cooperating witnesses who have been assisting the investigation before Cohen even got raided.
- George Nader, who has been cooperating since early 2018 on that infamous meeting between him, Erik Prince, and Kirill Dmitriev :
https://www.thedailybeast.com/revea...discussed-in-that-infamous-seychelles-meeting
This of course is the meeting that Erik Prince blatantly lied about and still hasn't been brought back to "clarify". Also if there's Russian collusion, it would be present here despite neither Nader or Prince being officially part of Trump's team (they totally were unofficially).
- Michael Flynn's meeting with Kislyak and subsequent lies about it and how even after being found out about this and all the other high crimes he was involved with, Mueller and co. still gave him a sweetheart deal due to his "substantial assistance" in the Trump-Russian investigation. So, tell us all about this substantial assistance that led to the final decision.
- Manafort and Kilimnik. I mean, this is the mother of them all. As far as I'm concerned, this theory is still a go:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...t-be-done-manafort-over-kilimnik-ties/584995/
Until we get the full report, this is still my assumption as to what is happening given Rick Gates' continuing efforts in ongoing investigations which were affirmed as recently as this past week, and he was the only other person in that meeting between Manafort and Kilimnik. We still know barely anything about how that thread has gone.
- Everything Rick Gates. See above and see also everything to do with the inauguration and beyond.
Since the Mueller investigation is now concluded, shouldn't be any reason to deny congress or the public from these details. And in addition to seeking the full report and subpoenaing Barr and Mueller and Rod, they need to also subpoena a lot of the guys I just mentioned - namely the cooperating witnesses who have been assisting the investigation before Cohen even got raided.
Jump on some tables and watch some Beto speeches until your calves can't take it anymore.
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No matter the contents of the report he won't be convicted by this Senate.
We vote him out.
Good statement. Covers the important beats pretty succinctly - the report does not exonerate trump, Barr can't be trusted, and the full report needs to be disclosed.
People are losing it over this. Why they trust anything Barr says is beyond me. We need the full report, 100%.
In the long term, here's what you're looking at:
Sold Red: Maine, West Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Kansas, South Dakota, North Dakota, Wyoming, Utah.
Lean Red: Montana, Idaho, Alaska, Nebraska, Tennessee
Swing states: Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, South Carolina, Florida
Lean Blue: Georgia, Texas, Arizona, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania
Solid Blue: all else, VT, MA, RI, CT, NY, NJ, DE, MD, VA, NC, IL, CA, OR, WA, HI, CO, NM
One state from the current lean-blue column will be lost to the GOP, and that's Maine (it's demographics really don't allow for anything else). Some swingy states will go hard red, a la Ohio and Iowa.
A few red states will start to be less-red due to demographic shifts, and that's all of the Lean Red column which are all Solid R now but there's demographic movement under the surface to undermine that.
Swing states will bring in Michigan, who's in population decline but its populace centers are so strongly blue. Wisconsin where the rural areas are swinging harder red but the population centers are anchoring the state blue. Minnesota has the same phenomenon going on. South Carolina's behind the curve on sun-belt urbanization but has enough of it that it will become competitive. Florida has weird demographics because of all of the old people constantly moving there.
The sun-belt urbanization will bring GA, TX, AZ into the tilt blue column. Boston commuters and Vermont overflow keeps NH in the tilt blue column. Pennsylvania's rural areas swing hard red but aren't enough to outweigh Philadelphia given that rural PA is in decline.
The current solid-blue roster stays that way.
I'm in a bad head space, friends.
Rationally I know we have a good shot at beating Trump, but today hurt my morale.
All I can think of is laughing at the crushed hearts of Romney supporters on right wing forums during election night in 2012.
They just knew Obama was done for.
Rationally I know we have a good shot at beating Trump, but today hurt my morale.
All I can think of is laughing at the crushed hearts of Romney supporters on right wing forums during election night in 2012.
They just knew Obama was done for.
Evan Pérez @evanperez
After issuing his summary of Mueller's report, AG Bill Barr went to mass at St Peter's in Capitol Hill.
6:08 PM - Mar 24, 2019
After issuing his summary of Mueller's report, AG Bill Barr went to mass at St Peter's in Capitol Hill.
6:08 PM - Mar 24, 2019
And Pete:
Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
Pete Buttigieg calls for the release of the full Mueller report on @MSNBC.
5:35 PM - Mar 24, 2019
Pete Buttigieg calls for the release of the full Mueller report on @MSNBC.
5:35 PM - Mar 24, 2019
The problem with living under GOP rule is that some days they're going to win.
This... isn't really one of those days. It just kind of looks like it.
Hopefully a patriot at DOJ leaks the report to someone, but I'm not sure how many actually have access to it
His appearance on msnbc was once again on point, and focused how one side wants to have as few people voting as possible, because of hate.
I'm really happy because I'm at a music festival this weekend with my wife. It's been a lot easier to disconnect than usual. I've been in a state of dread since Friday, but taking breaks and checking in only when I've got time has helped. My gut instinct would have been to hit refresh all weekend and be in a constant panic. Obviously 'go to a music festival with your wife' isn't actionable advice. But taking a break sure is.
I've been playing Sekiro lol. Was just hoping for better news.
Hope that festival is sick tho ❤️
Like someone in here said earlier, in two months we won't even be talking about this. Once the 4th of July hits, this will be three or four news cycles away.
Pamela Brown @PamelaBrownCNN
NEW:
The special counsel's office deliberated at length with DOJ officials about issuing a subpoena for President Donald Trump to be interviewed, but ultimately the decision was made not to move forward, according to source @LauraAJarrett @evanperez
6:15 PM - Mar 24, 2019
NEW:
The special counsel's office deliberated at length with DOJ officials about issuing a subpoena for President Donald Trump to be interviewed, but ultimately the decision was made not to move forward, according to source @LauraAJarrett @evanperez
6:15 PM - Mar 24, 2019
I get this, but it's also like, you know that this was never going to be a silver bullet. Even if it was "there was collusion", it wouldn't be a silver bullet. If/when the report gets fully released, it'll probably be a bit more damning than Barr's summary but probably not enough for impeachment. So everyone on both sides will take what they want and not a lot will change and Trump will probably be right back where we started.
twas me.
odd years of politics are for the super fans who buy the collectors' editions, not the masses.
I got to play 30 goddamn minutes of Sekiro before we had to leave. I'm almost jealous! It's been a lot of fun. Every year 400+ bands come and take over downtown Boise, and we wander around and get drunk for a few days. It's great!
I hope that muller gets sopenaed and he presents the report in full there. And I hope it's this week.
If it was so clear this is what Barr was brought in to do then why did his confirmation come and go without asserting this is what would happen. Why were they so soft during his confirmation
If the situation was reversed the GOP would have smeared someone getting into Barr's position from the get go
If the situation was reversed the GOP would have smeared someone getting into Barr's position from the get go
Democrats did ask him about it and he stonewalled them. Dems are powerless to do anything when they don't have a majority in the Senate
Some general thoughts after digesting what little we were given...
Can't lie, I'm disappointed there doesn't seem to be a smoking gun on conspiracy with Russia here. Barr was selective in quoting Mueller and I believe there is some evidence for conspiracy from people around Trump, but not enough for an airtight case. I've long held that there was still a possibility Trump could be removed if this aspect was airtight and damning, but I don't think that's possible now without something strong to tie Trump to Russia. But now we all get the satisfaction of voting his ass out in 2020.
It's frustrating and confusing to me that Mueller did not give an opinion on obstruction after nearly 2 years. Jill Wine Banks on MSNBC said perhaps he didn't because he was following the Watergate example that amounted to "here's the evidence, Congress go do something with it" and I could buy that, but Mueller is an important non-partisan voice in the public debate and I think he should be giving his opinion in this case which was a primary objective of the investigation. This dilemma is what I most want to know more about and I hope we can hear from Mueller directly, especially as it seems Barr did not consult with him at all when drafting this public letter. Barr did his job like a good lapdog.
It's important to keep in mind Barr's summary is incredibly narrow. It doesn't even give a single full quotation from Mueller. It only talks about Trump and no one else, but we all know this cake has a lot of ingredients and we still don't know what's happening with those yet. There's a lot still to come out.
As a sidenote, I'd like to see the rules governing the special counsel be changed to require the special counsel themselves to make the initial public statement and no one else. I think this situation highlights why.
Bottom line: We need the report, not a 2 page summary from a partisan asshole like Barr.
Can't lie, I'm disappointed there doesn't seem to be a smoking gun on conspiracy with Russia here. Barr was selective in quoting Mueller and I believe there is some evidence for conspiracy from people around Trump, but not enough for an airtight case. I've long held that there was still a possibility Trump could be removed if this aspect was airtight and damning, but I don't think that's possible now without something strong to tie Trump to Russia. But now we all get the satisfaction of voting his ass out in 2020.
It's frustrating and confusing to me that Mueller did not give an opinion on obstruction after nearly 2 years. Jill Wine Banks on MSNBC said perhaps he didn't because he was following the Watergate example that amounted to "here's the evidence, Congress go do something with it" and I could buy that, but Mueller is an important non-partisan voice in the public debate and I think he should be giving his opinion in this case which was a primary objective of the investigation. This dilemma is what I most want to know more about and I hope we can hear from Mueller directly, especially as it seems Barr did not consult with him at all when drafting this public letter. Barr did his job like a good lapdog.
It's important to keep in mind Barr's summary is incredibly narrow. It doesn't even give a single full quotation from Mueller. It only talks about Trump and no one else, but we all know this cake has a lot of ingredients and we still don't know what's happening with those yet. There's a lot still to come out.
As a sidenote, I'd like to see the rules governing the special counsel be changed to require the special counsel themselves to make the initial public statement and no one else. I think this situation highlights why.
Bottom line: We need the report, not a 2 page summary from a partisan asshole like Barr.
Ya I was giving him the benefit of the doubt for a long time now, but he's shown his true colors. Pretty disappointing.
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But after being stonewalled it was almost shrugged off
House GOP members were more ready and willing to discredit and smear a nobody who is going to prison like Cohen just to try and control the narrative so that anything that went against them they in those hearings, they were prepared for, than we were prepared to do for someone who is now in control of the justice department and the top cop in the country. They were absolutely not sounding the fire alarms that *the fix is in* during this process, like they should have if this is the narrative they are going to go with now
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Beto O'Rourke @BetoORourke
Release the full Mueller report to the American people and their representatives. There must be transparency and accountability.
6:47 PM - Mar 24, 2019
Release the full Mueller report to the American people and their representatives. There must be transparency and accountability.
6:47 PM - Mar 24, 2019
Democrats are really bad at getting the media to buy what they are selling. Republicans can go on TV and act insane every day, but the second a Dem went on TV talking about how Barr is a corrupt pick, the media would be attacking them asking what evidence they had.
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