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Slader166

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sphagnum

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New Oxfam report on global wealth inequality:

  • The world's 2,153 billionaires have more wealth than 4.6 billion people.
  • The 22 richest men have more wealth than all of the 326 million women in Africa.
  • The world's richest 1% have more than twice as much wealth as 6.9 billion people.
"Extreme wealth is a sign of a failing economic system," the report said. "Governments must take steps to radically reduce the gap between the rich and the rest of society and prioritize the wellbeing of all citizens over unsustainable growth and profit."

someone who saved $10,000 a day since the construction of the Egyptian pyramids would still be 80% less wealthy than the world's five richest billionaires.



Curious how The Most Logical and Efficient System for Resource Allocation continually gets worse and worse at allocating resources.
 

Ac30

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Uhhhhh

so, the first quarterly reports are trickling out with the FEC and it seems that WinRed, the Republican answer to ActBlue, takes FIFTY PERCENT in "credit card fees". ActBlue takes a little less than 4% which is normal.



1) holy shit
2) LOL Rs burning 300K in a safe blue seat
 
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Ogodei

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Curious how The Most Logical and Efficient System for Resource Allocation continually gets worse and worse at allocating resources.

The argument is that there's more wealth in the world overall, so even if there's massively more inequality the vast majority of people are still better off, and this is kind of true aside from the coming climate crash.
 

Blue Skies

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Bernie needed to take his army of followers, backed Warren, and made sure at least one or so Dem-Socs ran in each state.
If he wants his movement to have lasting effect then it shouldn't solely rise on the presidency.
Do like the tea party and get candidates at every level of government in this country, then get your guy in the White House.
 
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Curious how The Most Logical and Efficient System for Resource Allocation continually gets worse and worse at allocating resources.

To be fair, that system had better marginal tax rates before Regan came in and said "Haha rich need more".

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Not saying regulated Capitalism is perfect and socialism a lie but what we've got now...aint it chief.
 

Ionic

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Bernie needed to take his army of followers, backed Warren, and made sure at least one or so Dem-Socs ran in each state.
If he wants his movement to have lasting effect then it shouldn't solely rise on the presidency.
Do like the tea party and get candidates at every level of government in this country, then get your guy in the White House.

It isn't an every state game yet, but I believe both Ilhan Omar and AOC are on record as being at least in part inspired by Sanders in their decision to run. On top of that, his campaign has a large grassroots following and polls miraculously well with young voters that are underrepresented in politics, so he certainly appears further along on building political momentum beyond his presidential bid than the other candidates. He's campaigned since the last election on an effective presidency requiring a politically activated populace that won't just check out once their candidate is in the Oval. So I can't take very seriously a post that implies this isn't already known, especially with the implication that other candidates wouldn't need similar ongoing post election activist support from the people in order to push helpful legislation.

I don't think capitalism is meant to care about the individuals in the system so much as the system in its entirety...?

A system that concentrates wealth and means towards individuals. But generally, I don't worry what capitalism "cares" about, I worry about what it's doing.
 

Blue Skies

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. He's campaigned since the last election on an effective presidency requiring a politically activated populace that won't just check out once their candidate is in the Oval.
that's just fantasy tho, and the point of a representative democracy is to vote people In with responding beliefs as the electorate so that people dont have to march everytime there's a bill up on the house floor.

i just feel like the movement seems to be 80 percent about Bernie and 20 percent about progressive ideas.
 

Ac30

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To be fair, that system had better marginal tax rates before Regan came in and said "Haha rich need more".

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Not saying regulated Capitalism is perfect and socialism a lie but what we've got now...aint it chief.

I really want to see what this looks like here in Belgium now because we have no capital gains tax at all (which is fantastic if you dump all spare change in the markets).

Thankfully they're probably going to reform taxation so taxes on income are lowered while capital gains taxes are implemented because a 40-45% marginal tax rate even on incomes under €35k sucks.
 

Ionic

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that's just fantasy tho, and the point of a representative democracy is to vote people In with responding beliefs as the electorate so that people dont have to march everytime there's a bill up on the house floor.

This is also just fantasy. We're supposed to have a representative democracy, but it's clear we do not. People today have to march for a higher minimum wage, paid time off, and implementing a course of action that won't make our planet uninhabitable over hundreds of years. In the past, people had to be politically active for us to get weekends, women's suffrage, integrated schools... I do not worry about the "point" of our political system, I worry about what it does.

i just feel like the movement seems to be 80 percent about Bernie and 20 percent about progressive ideas.

You are free to feel whatever you like.
 

Tiger Priest

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Do you think that distinction is gonna matter in 6 months when the GOP, their billionaires, their useful idiots online, their news network and their foreign help starts attacking Bernie with it?

I don't understand what you're arguing.

I think it does matter whether the Democrats openly identify themselves as socialist vs. the GOP trying to brand someone like Biden or Buttigieg as a socialist. If we own it, we have no credibility to defend against their attacks, especially since no one (even Bernie) is actually advocating for socialism but rather Social Democracy. Labels/brands matter.
 

Blue Skies

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This is also just fantasy. We're supposed to have a representative democracy, but it's clear we do not. People today have to march for a higher minimum wage, paid time off, and implementing a course of action that won't make our planet uninhabitable over hundreds of years. In the past, people had to be politically active for us to get weekends, women's suffrage, integrated schools... I do not worry about the "point" of our political system, I worry about what it does.

problem is we need people to actually vote
Not to march
To vote.
not if thecandidate is perfect, but all the time To vote. The more blue there is in politics and the more spread out the better
 

Blue Skies

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I don't understand what you're arguing.

I think it does matter whether the Democrats openly identify themselves as socialist vs. the GOP trying to brand someone like Biden or Buttigieg as a socialist. If we own it, we have no credibility to defend against their attacks, especially since no one (even Bernie) is actually advocating for socialism but rather Social Democracy. Labels/brands matter.
It's a Branding issue.
why the Wii U was thought of as an accessory for the Wii.

that's why I like warrens strategy of just calling it capitalism. (And Then regulating it)
 

Ac30

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Nobody asked but I'm not a believer in class intersectionality given that here in Europe we're seeing the same issue as in the US. Here the WWC is also fleeing to the far-right while the traditional and "new" left is home to both minority groups and urban liberals.

At least here the far-right is promising them handouts *and* racism.
it's just as much socialism as capitalism

also there are no true capitalist countries technically either

Hong Kong is probably the closest thing and... yeah. Great if you're rich!
 

Ernest

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So many posts about a newspaper's endorsement as if they fucking matter!
Need i remind y'all, trump didn't get a single majory newspaper endorsement, even in the general.
 

Ionic

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problem is we need people to actually vote
Not to march
To vote.
not if thecandidate is perfect, but all the time To vote. The more blue there is in politics and the more spread out the better

I'm sure your message that people just have to get out and vote made women very confident as they fought for the right to vote. There are still disenfranchised people today, and there are still people with issues in their lives that cannot wait for a majority or even plurality of the public to vote their way, or vote in politicians who happen to already support that particular issue. People need to vote. But people need to march too. There will never be a time when political activism beyond voting is not important.
 

B-Dubs

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So many posts about a newspaper's endorsement as if they fucking matter!
Need i remind y'all, trump didn't get a single majory newspaper endorsement, even in the general.
He only won due to an insane fluke though. The needle he had to thread was so incredibly small that it took a series of insane events to get him to 270.
 

Tfritz

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Weird dreams are my fear of sleep aids.

Nyquil did lotta weird shit and I fear Melatonin would go even further beyond.

i haven't had any issues with melatonin, especially compared to NyQuil/ZZZQuil/other Diphendydramine Containing Bullshit, which gives me nightmares. but then i also have like hypnagogic hallucinations fairly routinely so it's like maybe my experience is not universal
 
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