Why is the DCEU such a failure?

Strangelove77

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Because up to WW they weren't written well or even acceptably? The scripts sucked, the characters sucked and the stories sucked. Simple.
 

Mariolee

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Oct 25, 2017
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Lots of reasons.

I suspect the main one aside from having Zack Snyder be the architect for it is the mismanagement of WB heads who have no idea what makes a good superhero film.
 

a916

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A collection of movies that were not critically received well. It sounds simple but make good movies should be step one.

You can delve deeper into it about how it failed at that... but that's kind of the core of the issue.

**This is under the assumption that failure is WB abandoning the super connected DCEU/JL and going with stand alone films.

(and I absolutely love Man of Steel, top 5 CBM for me personally)
 

SupremeWu

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Dec 19, 2017
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Zack Snyder has never gotten the point of the stories and they gave him the key to the kingdom

I loved Watchmen as a movie but even there he missed the ultimate point, in the end.

If they had him in charge of the action bits and someone else that actually was capable of a 'bigger picture' or more narrative focused, well
 
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Well the movies outside of a couple aren't that great, but I don't think they were "failures" exactly but people are going to compare them to the MCU and the big problem there is I feel that Marvel is far more popular than DC to the average person outside of probably Batman. Like my wife who hates anything that has to do with video games, comics, fantasy settings knows who way more people in Marvel are than the two she can probably name from DC.
 

Loxley

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Putting Zach Snyder, a man who has a very nihilistic view of superheroes, in charge of their entire cinematic universe probably wasn't a smart idea.

That said, between WW, Aquaman and Shazam they appear to be finding their footing now. With Reeves' Batman film, Gunn's Suicide Squad, WW84 and Birds of Prey all on the way they seem to have a healthy slate for the next couple of years.
 

thefro

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The producers mainly.

It's honestly quite a feat how all the Marvel movies are solid/entertaining at worst.
 

Sephzilla

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1) Zack Snyder
2) WB seeing Avengers 1 make a billion and rushing straight to a team up movie


Zack Snyder is a hack who only understands surface level storylines and he basically comes across as the most stereotypical Frank Miller Batman fanboy. And, despite WB trying to get a Justice League movie off the ground during the Bale Batman era, it was incredibly apparent that WB wanted to rush to a major shared universe team up movie after seeing Marvel make bank with The Avengers. The DCEU could have been a success if they course corrected after Man of Steel, instead they doubled down on those issues and built an entire cinematic universe around poor interpretations of their most popular characters.
 

Lothars

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Man of Steel, Batman vs Superman and Justice League all are bad movies, WW, Aquaman and Shazam are much better but still not enough to keep it going.
 

Temp_User

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People at Warner Bros thought that making the DCEU 'grim & gritty' universe-wide was a smart idea to differentiate themselves from the more jokey MCU. Big mistake. That should have been done on a per-character basis.
 

Qikz

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The DC heroes don't work as well in a movie format. Marvel works because it's somewhat comical, DC seems to take itself super seriously and taking a comic book movie seriously seems quite difficult I think.
 

Imperfected

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It's just Superman, really. The problem is Superman is the foundation everything else was built on, so it's exceptionally hard for the good work that's done to properly course-correct. The DCEU would probably be fine if they'd just done a hard break after BvS and said "everything else is in a new universe".
 

AlexBasch

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I have never liked Superman and I'm guessing that's the reason I liked Man of Steel. Didn't really care if it was right or wrong for him to kill and basically destroy half earth against Michael Shannon, but I I had a lot of fun watching the fights, so yeah.
 

Garlador

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jkm23

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Its mixed film wise

Man of Steel -Decent, with some bad funny and some epic moments
Batman vs Superman- Overlong, jumbled, saved a bit in the directors cut but is then LONGER, depiction of certain heroes not what people wanted
Wonder Woman- Saw it for the second time, I still think its great.
Justice League- I didn't/don't think ANYTHING about it. It was that bland. I feel/felt nothing
Aquaman- Not up to wonder woman standards but it's got a great cast and charm to carry it. They kept it simple stupid and the movie is better for it. A bit too long.
Shazam- Haven't seen it yet :/

I hear the TV shows are better on a whole.
 

Altera

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Because WB was too afraid to stick with the laid out plans. Absolute worst case scenario, JL2 would have come out this year, finishing Snyder's five movie arc and WB could have changed course/tone/whatever from there and kept the same actors while having an established universe.

Instead it's pretty clear at this point WB/DC don't know wtf they're doing. They're simply hoping the solo movies will continue to be successful and well received.
 

Sephzilla

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what is the context of this?
Zack Snyder giving a demo on how Superman should kill the villain of the movie. Some deeper context behind the scene as a whole is that Christopher Nolan and some other people at WB were actually super against Superman killing Zod and Snyder basically kept inventing scenarios that would force Superman to kill until Nolan & company ultimately gave in. Snyder ultimately just wanted to see Superman off someone.
 

jrush64

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We... Yeah You should speak for yourself. This is a shitty topic but not surprising from this place.
 

Imperfected

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They're not very good. Even WW would be a mid-low tier MCU film and that's the best they have.
I think that's okay without the legitimately bad Man of Steel/BvS basis, though. Like, Thor was not an exceptionally good movie. You don't need every single movie to be an out-of-the-park homerun if you've got a strong foundation to work from, they just need to be passable while developing the overarching narrative.

The problem was they had a weak foundation which meant no one was interested in the overarching narrative to begin with.
 

Netherscourge

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DCEU fails because it doesn't have RDJ, Chris Hemsworth, Tom Hiddleston, Jon Favreau, Samuel L. Jackson.

I know a lot of people hate the stories and writing, but I honestly believe the cast itself is bad and the core problem.

Nolan's Batman movies was awesome because he had fantastic actors in it.

But this Justice League group is mostly awful, save Gal Gadot and Jason MoMoa.

Supes Cavill sucks.

Batffleck sucks.

Lex Eisenberg sucks.

The entire Suicide Squad sucks.

Bad casting is a big problem.
 

Ambient80

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The first few films were kinda terrible, and WB so badly wanted to rush to the big team-up movie with JL that they completely missed that they need to make competent movies beforehand. Also didn't help that Cyborg, Aquaman and Flash were all introduced in a movie that was arguably the worst of the bunch, so those who didn't see it went into JL not knowing half of the cast, never mind knowing any of their backstory at all. It was a rushed, disorganized mess.

Now that they've moved to what appears to be stand alone DC films, they have improved quite a bit in quality.
 

Nox

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They went straight to JL after two movies. We should have had the origins for WW, Cyborg, Aquaman, and Flash before the JL movie, not after
 

Sephzilla

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But then he makes some truly fucking abysmal stuff like Sucker Punch and BvS.
Honestly the end of Watchmen should have been a giant red flag that he shouldn't be allowed too much creative freedom with adaptations. His ending to Watchmen is basically him completely missing the point about the ending and the story.