Mini Mafia IIII: The Great Heist
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I do agree here, melon gives me hard coasting vibes. I would lynch her today.
I had a good impression about you up to this post.
Can you tell me when this occured? Which games did he play as scum?
Didn't see this until now, the early discussion shut down is still in my mind. So far he seems to lightly pulling some strings and see how things go. I disagree with some positions, but he also has valid points on his side. I think there are more interesting lynchs today than him. And additionally his last few scum appearances make me confident I'd pick up on that with some more time.
I guess you could think that seeing his past performances, but that aggressive Stan is something he hasn't shown in earlier games (at least nothing I could remember of).
While we are at it, I like his contributions as well. I don't think they warrant a town read, but I'd not want to lynch him today.
What do you mean with babying?
Ah, of course. Asking for more explanation is unnecessary.
Are you referring to LP's vote on Monkey? Can you be more direct?
You've been a non-entity so far with insecurity oozing from you (#258), I could get behind your lynch.
And this obviously makes it hard to consider him a lynch option at all. I'd refrain here probably, even so melon was suspicious.
I was thinking your attitude was douchy so you got a similar response.
As far as the babying, for the second time, rac shades L_P but doesn't actually vote him until I called him out on it. In newer developments, L_P is shading people for voting for rac citing that it's only based on him being the lowest post count (which I don't think is actually true either).
I hadn't been following the game at all when I got contacted. Went ahead and read the entire thread before I checked my PM. Thank god I'm not being dropped into a dumpster fire like I thought I was going to be as I read further and further.
Since I'm sure you're all dying to know -
Brazil is duh.
Lean town on Gorlak and Stanley.
Sort of lean town on Monkey, but it's based on one thing whereas her actual posts haven't impressed me as much.
Oliver James - Wasn't a fan of the way he instantly tried to buddy up to Brazil. Really gave me bad vibes. Posts since then have been a mixed bag. Lean scum here and probably is where I'm going to vote.
Turmoil - Post 154 is so bad and reads like flustered scum. Only thing giving me pause is whether scum would let themselves be goaded out this early with a post like that or if they'd just try and quietly sweep it away. Still, lean scum.
Lux - My lightest scum lean. Not a fan of the way he slid into his vote or how defensive he got. Not sure I've ever played with him though. Need a larger sample size.
Everyone else is null for bad/few posts or null because I just am not sure.
Since I'm sure you're all dying to know -
Brazil is duh.
Lean town on Gorlak and Stanley.
Sort of lean town on Monkey, but it's based on one thing whereas her actual posts haven't impressed me as much.
Oliver James - Wasn't a fan of the way he instantly tried to buddy up to Brazil. Really gave me bad vibes. Posts since then have been a mixed bag. Lean scum here and probably is where I'm going to vote.
Turmoil - Post 154 is so bad and reads like flustered scum. Only thing giving me pause is whether scum would let themselves be goaded out this early with a post like that or if they'd just try and quietly sweep it away. Still, lean scum.
Lux - My lightest scum lean. Not a fan of the way he slid into his vote or how defensive he got. Not sure I've ever played with him though. Need a larger sample size.
Everyone else is null for bad/few posts or null because I just am not sure.
Noted.
I'm not interested in lynching him today, either. It wouldn't give us anything if he ended up being town, and while I'm not town-reading him at the moment, I can't say I have any negative feelings towards his posts either.
You made a one-liner observation and I just wanted to hear your actual thoughts on this. Didn't mean to be douchy or anything.
I still have a language barrier I feel. Is it protecting the other because they are weak? Nope. Is it patronizing the other? No? "the act of takling a bit like a young child when being nice" ?
Hey I'm not duh :(
OJ's earlier posts directed at me weren't out of character, and I also think they were too on the nose to be alignment indicative.
It's an interesting lead, actually I quite like it.
On other relations, monkey voted rac, LP voted monkey, lots of paths opening before us
Let me see, who do we have?
would lynch:
12. [m] flatearthpandas
01. [m] Comrade Sparkster
13. [m] rac
07. [m] turmoil7
null (as in could also be lynched, but above are more interesting)
08. [m] LuxCommander
11. [m] Lone Prodigy
benefit of doubt?
04. [f] Melonrabbit - Replaced by Natiko D1
not lynch:
02. [m] Sorian
03. [m] Oliver James
06. [m] StanleyPalmtree
09. [f] Dr. Monkey
would lynch:
12. [m] flatearthpandas
01. [m] Comrade Sparkster
13. [m] rac
07. [m] turmoil7
null (as in could also be lynched, but above are more interesting)
08. [m] LuxCommander
11. [m] Lone Prodigy
benefit of doubt?
04. [f] Melonrabbit - Replaced by Natiko D1
not lynch:
02. [m] Sorian
03. [m] Oliver James
06. [m] StanleyPalmtree
09. [f] Dr. Monkey
Show me the receipts where Monkey was a town leader. There was plenty of time for votes to change when I made mine. Even now, anything can happen in 3 hours.
I'm not shading any of the rac voters. Or maybe I am, because why him and not me?
I do think it's interesting that those three lynch candidates are now slapping each other while the FEP train seems relatively calm.
Hmm.
When I say babying, I mean they are pulling their punches. Like they want to scum read each other but they aren't going all the way with it. rac says L_P is his vote but then doesn't actually vote him citing a reason that doesn't make much sense. L_P admits that rac is doing something (low posting) but knocks others for pointing it out.
==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start
flatearthpandas (3 votes)
luxcommander - #191
oliver james - #253
gorlak - #270
dr. monkey (3 votes)
turmoil7 - #87
brazil - #168
lone_prodigy - #221
oliver james (2 votes)
melonrabbit - #104
flatearthpandas - #197
dr. monkey - #238 #255
rac (1 votes)
dr. monkey - #255 #305
sorian - #262
turmoil7 (1 votes)
sorian - #145 #262
stanleypalmtree - #251
lone_prodigy (1 votes)
rac - #295
sorian (0 votes)
dr. monkey - #86 #136
oliver james - #100 #139
lone prodigy (0 votes)
rac - #276 #295
luxcommander (0 votes)
brazil - #83 #168
gorlak (0 votes)
dr. monkey - #136 #178
melonrabbit (0 votes)
luxcommander - #129 #191
Post Counts:
dr. monkey: 36 sorian: 32 oliver james: 26 gorlak: 24 brazil: 23 comrade sparkster: 15 rac: 13 luxcommander: 13 flatearthpandas: 12 turmoil7: 11 stanleypalmtree: 10 melonrabbit: 9 lone_prodigy: 9 fireblend: 3 natiko: 1
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Day Start
flatearthpandas (3 votes)
luxcommander - #191
oliver james - #253
gorlak - #270
dr. monkey (3 votes)
turmoil7 - #87
brazil - #168
lone_prodigy - #221
oliver james (2 votes)
melonrabbit - #104
flatearthpandas - #197
rac (1 votes)
sorian - #262
turmoil7 (1 votes)
stanleypalmtree - #251
lone_prodigy (1 votes)
rac - #295
sorian (0 votes)
lone prodigy (0 votes)
luxcommander (0 votes)
gorlak (0 votes)
melonrabbit (0 votes)
Post Counts:
dr. monkey: 36 sorian: 32 oliver james: 26 gorlak: 24 brazil: 23 comrade sparkster: 15 rac: 13 luxcommander: 13 flatearthpandas: 12 turmoil7: 11 stanleypalmtree: 10 melonrabbit: 9 lone_prodigy: 9 fireblend: 3 natiko: 1
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I think his vote is low hanging fruit but I don't scum read him for it now.
Is there a single thing that OJ has done that you'd point out as a good sign? Because from my vantage point I see some sucking up, followed by defensive posts, followed by defensive posts about the defensive posts.
I agree that mass claiming is a bad plan, but how often has scum been the ones to push for a mass claim as opposed to town? Or even just a claim in general? I feel like it has been so heavily touted as a scum tell that scum always play cautious in our meta around this topic. I find it more likely something misguided town would do as opposed to scum.
I'm not particularly convinced by this argument, but I will say I doubt I'll ever have a good read on either besides "post more ugh" so I'm not against the idea of lynching one, especially if someone I read as more likely town is their competition for the lynch.
Day ends today right?
yes
thinking things through, will give opinions on everything not much fluff if any at all
yeah sure anything can happen with the votes but losing one of the most active people on d1 would just feel wrong to me
I can't say I have. His play in this phase reminds me very strongly of Berserk's D1 (in which he was town), but I'm well aware that that won't be enough to sway anyone.
I don't think I've ever seen scum do or even consider doing that. It's actually one of those things that are so obviously looked down upon in this meta that town would probably overlook an actual scum trying to do it. But the thing is: no one will ever agree to a D1 mass claim, making it an useless risk for scum to take.
The FEP train is easy and silent, and he's actually showing that he's willing to contribute with reads, unlike many others. I'm not voting there.
I'm not married to voting FEP, it was more of a pressure vote than anything on my end. I'm not moving off at this moment due to Monkey being number 2. I'm not comfortable lynching him considering how active he is.
I usually find rac a pretty easy read. That I don't in this game makes me uncomfortable but I'm not sure how to weigh it. Was it a slow start and now he's just defeatist? Is it scum? I'm idly wondering if we've got a scum team that isn't communicating well so we're seeing some blowback in the game itself. If we see some of the suspicious folks pick up a bit with the melon/Natiko replacement it might make me feel worse about Natiko, as I can see him kicking a low energy scum team into gear.
Catching up since I'm out of class.
Catching up since I'm out of class.
I would very much agree with this - I'm often real iffy on feps but I don't feel like he's a good vote today.
If you're referring to me (unclear here), I'm not a he.
Nothing about my vote was about rac having the least amount of posts; it's more about me knowing rac's angsty about being considered not a presence, so I'm surprised to see him literally being not a presence. He's doing more now but I wonder at the motivation.
Can you point me to one thing OJ actually did that was geared to move the game forward? So not buddying up to Brazil, talking about non-game things, or defending his play? It could well be townie, but that doesn't make it not defense; in fact there's an argument to be made that seasoned scum might not play such obvious defense. But I'm curious as to where you see offense.
Listen, I haven't been lynched since my first game and the idea that I might be lynched d1 with what's transpired so far is hilarious to me. #sorrynotsorry
I think he's only played scum once but he's said numerous times, here and before the move, that he hates playing scum (and even admitted it here in the thread).
Fair on OJ. I'll take it under consideration, but unless he steps it up I'm not going to change my mind on where his alignment falls. D1 is rough and it still feels as good a reason as any.
So you're not married to the vote, but it's your top scum read. Your second scum read you don't feel like voting. Who exactly would you vote if you had to switch then?
I love the idea of me being a puppeteer, but anyone who saw my lone game as scum knows I'm not much for corralling (though we did win).
I don't think Sorian has ever not had a (public at least) bad impression of me. I somehow feel like this says nothing of Sorian and everything (very little of it good) about me lol
I haven't posted any reads yet. Monkey is one of my town reads, along with Sorian (for now; that will be up for debate come day 2 as we'll actually have some decent history. He is a good chameleon. ). I don't feel comfortable posting scum reads right now because I don't feel like I have enough information to draw a line in the sand right now. It would end up looking like an active vs inactive list, and that tends to backfire hard.
I just now realized you meant Monkey is two as in second place (or I believe tied for first?) in votes, not that she was your second highest scum read. That makes more sense.
I thought you were super try hard in HvV, it just didn't matter.
I wasn't wrong :P
oh, I missed this, and now Brazil's other remark makes sense. Sorry, am dense.
Isn't it up to all of us? Yes, I have my own issues with him I have to consider, but it's not like I'm alone here.
I mean, beating a pocket means the individual needs to figure it out so in that case you are kind of alone if I'm trying to pocket you again.
rac Lone_Prodigy Oliver James
Would love to see some more thoughts from any (or I dare say all) of you prior to day end aside from defensive posts.
Would love to see some more thoughts from any (or I dare say all) of you prior to day end aside from defensive posts.
Fair, though it was a pretty rough spot to sub into lol
I mean, I'm looking. But I think it's mostly up to you. I feel like pocketing is, in most cases, invisible to other players that aren't the actual target.
I don't feel like I have enough about him to really work with yet. But I'm not comfortable with the FEP train, and I'm in a perfect position to switch votes around and try to shake things up.
Comrade Sparkster, please give us the rundown of your thoughts on OJ's and rac's play so far. You've played with rac before, haven't you?
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