I'm confused too. I thought people said he was let go for a good reason due to tweets. Did I miss something that people want him back?
Fuck it I'll sign, I want to see him finish the story.
It's around 10 K signatures right now.
I guess more accurately "I want to be able to say them without people calling me scumbag", since they already do tell date rape jokes.
People can change but society as a whole has a hard time accepting. There's a reason why the death penalty has such following. People don't care about these sorts of stuff and some acts or sayings are worse than others to people. Pedophila and rape combined don't sit well with large swathes of people. Even convicted criminals seemingly have little respect for those who do that to children. Society and especially America isn't ready to forgive pedophilia, so when someone makes these types of jokes, you will have a hard time explaining it.How is it still unfathomable to believe that people can't honestly change for the better?
Did I miss something? I thought he just got fired for all the dumb rape and pedo jokes.
People liked guardians and people also think that just because some alt right dude wanted to get james gunn fired that it must be morally superior to defend him no matter what he said, even in his full grown ass adulthood.I'm confused too. I thought people said he was let go for a good reason due to tweets. Did I miss something that people want him back?
Yes, you missed a lot. This bullshit was orchestrated by one of the Pizza-gate Alt-reichers, Cernovich. Gunn did that shit a decade ago, apologized publicly and had been on good behavior for years, even talking about how bad posting stuff like he did was and changed himself.
It's extremely shameful that anyone on the left is still taking this bait and buying right into the bullshit campaign.
How about you protest by not going to see the next Avengers and other MCU movies instead?
How about you protest by not going to see the next Avengers and other MCU movies instead?
I very much doubt everyone, everywhere was foolish enough to be some sort of Twitter edgelord.You very simply do not understand that everyonehas something, somewhere. Everyone. You. Me. And comedians who often make their money with telling offensive jokes (Gunn was a Troma writer for heaven's sake) more than anyone else. If this is the standard you want, then you are just as guilty as Gunn. Patton Is. Silverman is. They are retweeting decade old tweets of them right now, in this very moment.
To a number of people, because the tweets were outed by alt right, the content of those tweets doesn't matter but who produced them and made it public matters
Gunn got fired because unlike when he first wrote and then apologized, his tweets went mainstream NOW unlike before. People keep missing the point. Look at era's own thread when the tweets were made public, probably 5% of folks knew about the tweets and apology already. Gunn didn't get a lesson then because he became big. He got his lesson NOW. It's not that hard to understand
It's cringeworthy to see people only wanting him back because they like a movie. Words don't matter when you like things or someone apparently
wuh
Maybe you shouldn't be disingenuous when representing the other side.
Signed. Fuck the Alt-right American Nazis. And fuck anyone dumb enough to still be taking their bait. It's shameful.
People can change but society as a whole has a hard time accepting. There's a reason why the death penalty has such following. People don't care about these sorts of stuff and some acts or sayings are worse than others to people. Pedophila and rape combined don't sit well with large swathes of people. Even convicted criminals seemingly have little respect for those who do that to children. Society and especially America isn't ready to forgive pedophilia, so when someone makes these types of jokes, you will have a hard time explaining it.
I can't fault Disney for not wanting to lead this cause.
Uhm why? Are the alt right all bitter DC fans?
'Dumb kiddy movies.'
From the dude with an anime avatar on a video game forum.
Sometimes we need to chill with the holier than thou, don't you think? You can question his conviction without posting some dumb shit.
He was, but because hes not alt-right, everyone is banding behind him.
Its sad i should say this, im anti alt-right, but this site seems to have double standards
Well, is Larry David tweeting how he wants to rape the boy next to him in the theatre? Tweets are different than work.How do the people here grossly offended by Gunn's unfunny shock jokes feel about Curb Your Enthusiasm?
Do me a favor. Please. Read this post: https://www.resetera.com/posts/10651477/
And then explain to me how this is a double standard. Seriously. Please. Because all I see y'all doing is ignoring every argument people are making for why this is different and why this sets a terrible, absolutely dangerious precedent and instead just go with "double standards, they have no idea why they would defend Gunn but attack others!11!!"
We've said this to death but show us somebody who did something ~10 years ago on the right, apologized, changed, and was still taken down.
Weinstein was still doing it. Roseanne was still doing it. Bill O'Reilly was still doing it. Laura Ingraham was still doing it. Matt Lauer was still doing it. Al Franken had hidden it.
There is a huge difference between current behavior and past, changed behavior. This is not hard.
Stick it to alt-right by watching Marvel movies then?
Which is it?
Context matters. There's a double standard if you falsely equate two different circumstances.I'm not a big fan of the double standard here. So many people are defending behavior that we have (rightly) criticized lots of other people for, just because you want to see his next movie. Sometimes being principled means making sacrifices, and it's not like the movie isn't going to be made one way or the other.
Yeah, it truly is okay to be a herald of bad taste once in while.Hey man I don't go around calling MHA the best fiction ever created like certain people talk about the MCU. I know it's a kid's show. I watch it with my 10 year old every weekend. We even read the manga together.
Marvel movies are dumb kiddy shit. It's okay to admit that. I like some of them too but I am not going to act like they're actually good. It's okay to like brain dead entertainment.
People liked guardians and people also think that just because some alt right dude wanted to get james gunn fired that it must be morally superior to defend him no matter what he said, even in his full grown ass adulthood.
So, let me ask you: Do you believe Gunn was serious or that he made a distasteful, shocking and unfunny joke? Do you believe there was actually a little boy in the theatre with Gunn that he wanted to rape? Or do you think he was just an unfunny dude whose joke landed with an awkward cringe of anybody who had to read it?Well, is Larry David tweeting how he wants to rape the boy next to him in the theatre? Tweets are different than work.
Shit is ridiculous. We better see this same defense force for every other actor or director that says vile shit moving forward.I'm not a big fan of the double standard here. So many people are defending behavior that we have (rightly) criticized lots of other people for, just because you want to see his next movie. Sometimes being principled means making sacrifices, and it's not like the movie isn't going to be made one way or the other.
Why the quotes around things that are true+1. We don't normally forgive people for hateful racist jokes here, but horrendous pedophiliac rape jokes are ok as long as the 40+ year old man "learned from them" and finally "matured".
With that said, I despise the alt-right, I don't want them to feel like they have any victory at all, but I can't see why anyone would defend heinous rape jokes. It's not funny, it doesn't matter if comedians make the same jokes on stage, they're trashy for using the same jokes too. This dude wasn't some edgy teen looking for attention he was a grown man.
There is no double standard. People should stop with this bullshit.I'm not a big fan of the double standard here. So many people are defending behavior that we have (rightly) criticized lots of other people for, just because you want to see his next movie. Sometimes being principled means making sacrifices, and it's not like the movie isn't going to be made one way or the other.
Comparing this with stuff happening right now is indeed ridiculous.Shit is ridiculous. We better see this same defense force for every other actor or director that says vile shit moving forward.
Nope. Doesn't take away he joked about raping a boy on Twitter. Jokes aren't protected. They are usually if in a work or on stage, but Twitter is neither of those.So, let me ask you: Do you believe Gunn was serious or that he made a distasteful, shocking and unfunny joke? Do you believe there was actually a little boy in the theatre with Gunn that he wanted to rape? Or do you think he was just an unfunny dude whose joke landed with an awkward cringe of anybody who had to read it?
I'm not a big fan of the double standard here. So many people are defending behavior that we have (rightly) criticized lots of other people for, just because you want to see his next movie. Sometimes being principled means making sacrifices, and it's not like the movie isn't going to be made one way or the other.
So, let me ask you: Do you believe Gunn was serious or that he made a distasteful, shocking and unfunny joke? Do you believe there was actually a little boy in the theatre with Gunn that he wanted to rape? Or do you think he was just an unfunny dude whose joke landed with an awkward cringe of anybody who had to read it?
Because we don't see the tweets as problematic enough for firing when Gunn has clearly been working to improve himself and done so successfully. That the alt-right are making this to be something more than it is (actual admission of being a pedophile) is a less complicated way to explain their motivation for fighting it.
Disney bent to the alt-right's will.
So you'll ensure you'll continue to give Disney money as it will show defiance to the alt-right?
Hmmm.
It's true, but it's seriously concerning because these dudes don't care if they are genuine or not.Its easier for disney to can the dude than try and defend on if he was serious or not
So you think rape jokes are okay if the platform the person is making them on is a paid, professional platform? That's the difference?Nope. Doesn't take away he joked about raping a boy on Twitter. Jokes aren't protected. They are usually if in a work or on stage, but Twitter is neither of those.
Because we don't see the tweets as problematic enough for firing when Gunn has clearly been working to improve himself and done so successfully. That the alt-right are making this to be something more than it is (actual admission of being a pedophile) is a less complicated way to explain their motivation for fighting it.