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LycanXIII

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Oct 26, 2017
3,174
I mean, Kyle requested Pro Strats Only content every week and then they did nothing with it besides reading it out loud for 3 entire weeks. What was the point asking the patrons then? He could just make up some stuff himself if the aim was to create a bit since the beginning.

Let's put that aside though, the whole thing was novel for like one week, then it got immediately stale. It wasn't that funny, creative or anything in particular. Shrek was a nice inside joke, born spontaneously, this... I dunno what it was honestly. I didn't actively hate it like some apparently did, but it just felt so unnecessary.
I think it started as a serious thing, but failed and turned into a bit.
People upset that theirs wasn't chosen is dumb however, since only one would be picked each week, no matter what the opening game was.
 

Axass

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
1,216
I think it started as a serious thing, but failed and turned into a bit.
People upset that theirs wasn't chosen is dumb however, since only one would be picked each week, no matter what the opening game was.
From the comment here, I thought it was about their question being picked but then the panel not interacting with it due to the bit. Could have misinterpreted the whole thing as I don't remember what was said on CoJ.

EDIT: I agree that people writing those super serious CoJ comments over this is silly though. I can't see how someone could be so upset to feel the need to vent about it on air through Jones's voice. I just thought it sucked and moved on as well.
 

LycanXIII

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
3,174
From the comment here, I thought it was about their question being picked but then the panel not interacting with it due to the bit. Could have misinterpreted the whole thing as I don't remember what was said on CoJ.
Ah, I haven't watched CoJ, but that would make more sense (but still none) than what I thought was being said.

Also, need a Twitch Drive to get Kyle a pair of Pumas.

 

Gaming_Groove

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Apr 4, 2018
2,178
Central Florida
I liked both what pro strats started as and what it became. The first week they played the game as intended, but for reasons I still don't fully grasp there was a strangely large backlash to the game, so clearly at that point Kyle decided to go full troll with it. Had a lot of laughs with it, especially towards the end.

Wish I understood why that initial reaction was so negative...it was nearly the same bit as And For That Reason. The panel is presented a fake game and ultimately has a binary choice they can riff on.
 

Rickenslacker

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Oct 25, 2017
4,342
i didn't like pro strats only from the start because it didn't really have the riffing that kyle probably thought it would, but once the bit became apparent i started liking it.
 

ArjanN

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Oct 25, 2017
3,115
I liked both what pro strats started as and what it became. The first week they played the game as intended, but for reasons I still don't fully grasp there was a strangely large backlash to the game, so clearly at that point Kyle decided to go full troll with it. Had a lot of laughs with it, especially towards the end.

Wish I understood why that initial reaction was so negative...it was nearly the same bit as And For That Reason. The panel is presented a fake game and ultimately has a binary choice they can riff on.
lol, I forgot it was even a real thing at first, I thought it started as a bit.
 

y2kyle89

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Mar 16, 2018
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Mass
I think the main problem with Pro Stratz Only is that it was hard to make submissions for. I think for the vast majority of games if you are undecided between doing two things the answer is 'Do both eventually.'
 

hank_tree

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Oct 26, 2017
1,942
And maybe for that reason Huber might dig it, especially if Jones and Blood join him on Thursday. But I think you're right: most gamers don't have IRL friends who game and if they do, they may not all be into the
I liked both what pro strats started as and what it became. The first week they played the game as intended, but for reasons I still don't fully grasp there was a strangely large backlash to the game, so clearly at that point Kyle decided to go full troll with it. Had a lot of laughs with it, especially towards the end.

Wish I understood why that initial reaction was so negative...it was nearly the same bit as And For That Reason. The panel is presented a fake game and ultimately has a binary choice they can riff on.
And For That Reason has way more scope for riffing. Pro strats was exactly the same every week and was never entertaining.
 

Tsosie

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Oct 28, 2017
153
Buffalo, New York
I saw a lot of potential in Pro Strats Only. For me what kept it from reaching its full potential was that it required a binary choice for the panel.

For example "I am playing blank and stuck at blank, do I blank or blank?"

I think it would have worked better if it was an open ended question.

"I am playing blank and stuck at blank, how do I proceed?:
 

poliwhirl

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Sep 14, 2018
14
For me, the key difference between And For That Reason and Pro Strats Only was the lack of context in the latter. Both revolve around games that don't exist, but since the point of AFTR was to pitch a new game, by default you had to explain what the game was and what it would be like. A lot of entries started with things like "We all know asymmetrical multiplayer/kart racers/whatever" and then put a twist on it. So immediately everyone can use their own experiences and think "Ah okay, so this is Evolve, but I'm a block of cheese instead of a monster", or "Ahh, it's The Witcher meets Diddy Kong Racing". PSO just didn't have anything to latch onto, it's goal was almost to be as obscure as possible. Combine that with limiting nature of a binary choice that Tsosie mentioned above, and there's not really much you can do that's relatable to a wide audience.

I don't think PSO is inherently flawed, but it either needed to be a much more involved segment with a better grounding for each made-up game, or use real games that do exist and impose bizarre techniques to beat it faster or more efficiently. Like, "In Bloodborne, should I use a foreign language to speed up text even though I won't be able to read what items I'm using, or play with two controllers and be my own co-op partner". (Not a great example, but I'm sure some clever patrons could come up with something funnier. The point is just that, at least this way, everyone can appreciate what's going on, rather than just being bemused by what feels like an inside joke you're not a part of.)
 

Servbot24

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
16,774
Pro Strats games don't exist so there's nothing to talk about other than making up random game events. It's really hard for a random description of a non-existent game strategy to be funny. AFTR allows talking about actual things in unexpected ways, so there's something to relate to for the listeners.
 

jett

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Oct 25, 2017
16,157
Pro Strats was great when it became self-referential about how widely it was disliked.
 

klastical

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Oct 29, 2017
2,292
Maybe pro strats only would work better if it was a nonsensical situation in an already existing game like "I'm stuck in dark souls 3, I can't figure out what to do with the banana. Pro strata only please."

That way the have some context to grasp onto while still having a lot of room for improv.
 

Holundrian

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Oct 25, 2017
2,924
Yeah, I guess it's the combined result of the plethora of Spoiler Modes and the exposition the new studio is giving them.

Top Ten Top Ten Numbers was legit amazing, from the well thought script, to the on point editing. Might be one of the best constructed videos they've ever put out.
Nah it probably was pro strats only. With them having a monopoly on pro strats it was def a big reasons for new people to come in.
 

mickdundee96

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Nov 23, 2017
65
I just upped mine to 7. Someone on Twitter said they would up theirs to 20 if Kyle won a round of Tetris 99, i joined in and said I'd up mine aswell. When he won he put up a screencap of the Twitter thread 😂
 
Oct 26, 2017
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About Pro Strats Only

It started as an improv game. But thing is, the panelists aren't improv comedians so the game fell flat. It was too directionless for them to do something interesting with it.

Kyle is a smart guy and immediately realized the same, it wouldn't work. (that was what I thought at the time, and CoJ confirmed it for us)

He is not the kind of person to just say "Ok, this didn't work. I need some time to think of something else". He craves for NARRATIVE. So he introduces a metabit just to have some fun with the concept while sunsetting it. It was a ironic metacommentary about how the segment sucks.

There are people that recognize what was done and just didn't like the approach. I personally thought it was funny just to hear Ian say "Yeah man..." after being asked if he knew the answer. And also I realized the segment would get the boot real soon so I didn't feel the need to say anything. It couldn't and wouldn't last forever, so why bother?

That's my take on the whole Pro Strats thing. It was probably a bit confusing for newcomers I'll give em that, but I never got why people who knew Kyle's work got so mad.
 

Batatina

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Oct 25, 2017
2,324
Edinburgh, UK
I think Kyle is great at ideas, and has that stubborn character that let’s him go all the way and try those ideas, both successes and failures. I think that’s what makes him such a good host and media personality, because he is uncompromising in his values and decisions. The bit wasn’t great, but we can’t say it wasn’t fully explored. It’s part of the creative process.
 

ZeoVGM

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Oct 25, 2017
22,651
Providence / Boston
Pro Stats was a a not-great bit that Kyle quickly realized wasn't working yet he managed to turn it around and use that to make it entertaining and funny as hell.

Bosman is the best.
 

LycanXIII

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
3,174
since they can't compete with Pro Strats Only, Por Favor, I'm hoping they bring back the Beastie Boys rap
Nah, it's another one like Recruit Me, except making the worst video game possible.

"Glinny's Cauldron - Our witch friend Glinny wants to create the most vile video game of all time and is trusting us to collect the ingredients. Each week I will present the panel with two vile video game ingredients, of which they must unanimously choose one. "
 

Mattersnotnow

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Jan 15, 2018
292
Pro strats was an opportunity for improv but I think it didn’t quite shine in the first ep and the consequent backlash was a little exaggerated.
Bosman’s response seemed to be to end the bit, dragging it out as a joke.

I’m fine either way, but I found the basic concept of pro strats as good as “and for that reason”
 

EdReedFan20

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Oct 25, 2017
1,152
Media Molecule confirmed that if you get the Dreams early access version (digital only, limited quantities), you will be upgraded to the full release (digital) when it releases. I assume the full release will be $60. So, being able to get the game for $30 is a steal.
 

sora87

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Oct 27, 2017
3,592
That early podcast last week really spoiled me, it was so much better than having to wait until midnight :'(
 

Hero Prinny

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Oct 25, 2017
847
I'm a casual viewer (only watch the podcasts and reviews) so I didn't know there were others out there who disliked Pro Strats Only as well. Even if it wasn't a bit I found it pretty dumb cause you can just google whatever you're stuck on. I just started skipping the first few minutes cause that segment is so boring, I thought people liked it since he still does it and all.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Ugh. While that's very cool, it worries me that people will jump on the discounted price when it's in Early Access (like the folks who follow Wario64 and jump on any good deal the moment he tweets it) and then not touch it until full release, taking away a slot from someone who may actually use it. I just want everyone who really wants to use (not just play) Dreams to get in on it. But dangling the carrot of "you'll get the full game for $30!" will make a lot of people with less interest grab the game regardless of whether they'll actually use it and make it harder for the actual Creators to get in on the fun.
 

angelgrievous

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Nov 8, 2017
3,641
Ohio
What's up with Ian's struggle to find the words to say when making his videos? I've seen it a few times and I'm not sure if it's just him being nervous or some kind of shtick.

Example:

 
Oct 25, 2017
750
Was Glinny a part of some old Final Bosman bonus bit? I have this image of a stuffed witch and a cauldron and Bosman interacting with it and I'm too lazy to look through old videos...
 

digitalrelic

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Oct 25, 2017
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What's up with Ian's struggle to find the words to say when making his videos? I've seen it a few times and I'm not sure if it's just him being nervous or some kind of shtick.

Example:

I thought so but wasn't sure. Seems a bit much but if it's his thing then cool.

Thanks and Godspeed.
So, these videos are intentionally parodying poor quality instructional videos from a bygone era.
I guess it's just not my thing. Like, I get what the goal is but find the delivery to be uninspiring and a bit much. That's just me though, I just wasn't really sure if it was indeed a bit or not. If it works for some then more power to him.
The whole schtick is pretty much just a pale imitation of the "Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job!". I'm not really a fan either.
 

Hasney

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,054
After the podcast bet results, thought I'd check Mixer to see if the Crackdown 3 numbers were higher in MS's own ecosystem.

Nope. 28 viewers.