What does any of this have to do with transphobia?He's done many charities, advocated for police reform, spoken out against the president.
Fun fact, he is also a Muslim.
But because the alt-right found some of his jokes funny, he is an alt-right icon now?
I don't get it
I can't get in the heads of the Breitbart editorial staff, but if I had to guess on why they're making him into an alt-right icon along with The Daily Caller, Washington Examiner, etc. it's because of his relentless transphobia and their glee at having a shield for their own.My issue is that that doesn't make him some sort of alt-right icon.
Have you viewed the special? In it he claims to be pro-choice, he also acknowledged that Kevin hart made a mistake in making those homophobic comments.
He even said this
He's done many charities, advocated for police reform, spoken out against the president.There's only one thing that's going to save this country from itself. Same thing that always saves this country from itself, and that is African Americans
Fun fact, he is also a Muslim.
But because the alt-right found some of his jokes funny, he is an alt-right icon now?
I don't get it
Holy false equivalence, batmanOh no
I guess minions are an alt-right icon too.
Omg not Toy Story 4 too! Always knew that was an alt-right film!
Well damn I thought it was really funny. Hope Netflix and Dave do more specials.
Yes.
Of course hey won't admit it. But if it's true that comedy has to appear to hold some truth to be funny, and people are laughing at the "truth" of transphobic jokes, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to do the math.
Nothing? I'm pointing out how silly it is calling him an alt-right icon.What does any of this have to do with transphobia?
Nobody is saying he's an alt right figurehead or leader and yes a lot of times the alt right will like innocent stuff because people enjoy a wide variety of things. But the fact that people are going to bat about specific segments that are shitty and that the alt right are celebrating BECAUSE of their commentary and not the comedy... I mean come on.
uhh
He's an icon of the alt-right who is making a career out of punching down at marginalized people. That's not a leftist. Targeting marginalized communities who are disproportionately victims of violent crime is more than enough to disqualify him from being able to ever be considered a leftist. But his misogyny also contributes to the calculus.
He probably shouldn't have done it.What is your opinion on the transphobia espoused in the special?
This got a ban? Christ, this might be the most egregious example of a mod's personal vendetta I've seen yet.
This is why I hate the crowd reactions so much. I understand that Dave is just talking shit, but the crowd is buying his "the real victim are people who can't say f*****!" punchline as an actual message and they're agreeing with enthusiasm.Meanwhile he and countless comedians complain about how difficult it is to tell jokes yet many of those same comedians have sold out tours and Netflix specials. It's such a transparent racket that you'd either have to be a fool or willfully ignorant to fall for it.
That panic about cancel culture permeated the social consciousness when we have DONALD FUCKING TRUMP as President will never not be tragic and hilarious to me. It's just 90's "PC police" bullshit with a fresh coat of paint.
What if you did? Would that suddenly make you a trash person? Would you cancel yourself?
Cancelception.
As the other poster said, context matters and if it was a funny joke and not horribly mean spirited then I might laugh. Even if it was super mean spirited but managed to be funny I might laugh.
You simply can't view comedy under the same lens as everything else. It doesn't work that way.
Humor is a very complicated subject.
This thread would have gone a completely different way if Chappelle said this stuff in an actual interview with a straight face as opposed to a comedy special of his named Sticks and Stones where the entire thing was about talking about things that offend people in 2019.
Would you laugh if someone was attacked by a shark and left disfigured and then the comedian mocked that same person for their disability, in the same way that Trump did?
I don't see much difference between that and mocking/questioning specific victims of child rape.
lol yeah when i was like 17-18 in 2011-12 Defranco was the first youtuber i was into and where i got most of my "news" from. i would watch his show everyday. I think I stopped early into Obama's second term. lol I remember during the election he said he was voting for Johnson. had no idea what a libertarian was at that time so i thought nothing of it then. but soon after that i became more politically aware and drifted away from him.
I was indicating the manner of the mockery - mocking them in the same way that Trump did. The comparison is drawn between the shark scenario and the abuse victims.How is this still unclear? The difference is one is a comedy routine in front of a paid audience that anyone can easily choose to ignore.
The other is POTUS representing an entire country.
yeahhh i got a p wild ban in the last "trump says Jews who vote dem are disloyal" thread last week. Like, i made a very mild comment which was followed by page after page of similar comments... but for some reason I was selected for a ban and no one else was even warned. I've never once complained about the moderation here but.... wth? lolThis got a ban? Christ, this might be the most egregious example of a mod's personal vendetta I've seen yet.
Which is why people like Dave shouldn't make certain jokes. He literally quit Chapelle show for that very reason yet lacks the self awareness to see that he's basically emulating the behavior of people who thought the joke was on black people. The problem with Dave's standup is not only the jokes he's making, it's also the part where he validates the transphobic and racist opinions of straight and white people. So they hear him say something likeNot directed at you obviously but people really have a hard time differentiating between the subject and the target of a joke.
the alt right would point to Chappelle's comments as a sort of validation of their views. Like hey, here's a black comedian saying some of the same terrible shit we do We can't be that mean and out of touch if Dave Chappelle is making similar jokes.To be clear, I'm not suggesting Chappelle self-identifies as alt-right, I'm saying that he's being taken up by members and key media of that movement seemingly because their views appear to match his around trans people and the rest of the LGBTQ community.
Exactly correct.the alt right would point to Chappelle's comments as a sort of validation of their views. Like hey, here's a black comedian saying some of the same terrible shit we do We can't be that mean and out of touch if Dave Chappelle is making similar jokes.
Yeah, you can, and you are, and so is he.
It'd be pretty cool if there was literally any public accountability for mod action whatsoever!
So they hear him say something like
"Why can I say nigger but not f*gg*t"
and think they should be allowed to say both.
He might have had a finger on the pulse of American society and culture at one point, but he's clearly lost something in the time he spent on hiatus. Regardless of whether or not he can still be funny or not (that's entirely up to you), he clearly went from somebody who acknowledged that comedy is a game of testing limits (because those limits very much exist) to being just another cranky old comedian who that is mad he's not with it anymore and doesn't realize that he sold out years ago.I've always thought of Dave Chappelle as a guy who has an extremely intuitive "pulse" on the nations social and culture wars, and I wonder if all the back and forth on this special - is he an old man yelling at the clouds, is he turning into a conservative, why is he so transphobic - is him fumbling with trying to tell us what the hot button issues in America are gonna be over the next 10 years.
To be clear, I'm not suggesting Chappelle self-identifies as alt-right, I'm saying that he's being taken up by members and key media of that movement seemingly because their views appear to match his around trans people and the rest of the LGBTQ community.
Might have something to do with the use of the word "icon". Words don't just stop having meanings.This was so obviously your point that I refuse to believe people weren't seeing it.
This ain't the time to moan about spoilers.Thanks for spoiling the show
I recommend discretion before spoiling a fresh new Netflix special
So from the epilogue, he says a trans person asks why his r Kelly jokes legitimatized r Kelly's actions but why can't it trans jokes do the same and kinda leaves it for the audience to think about
Yeah I really don't understand how people can watch
a C O M E D Y special
and somehow take anything said there seriously.
It's in the very name of the special and was his focus for the entire show.
"Sticks and Stones".....
What if you did? Would that suddenly make you a trash person? Would you cancel yourself?
Cancelception.
As the other poster said, context matters and if it was a funny joke and not horribly mean spirited then I might laugh. Even if it was super mean spirited but managed to be funny I might laugh.
You simply can't view comedy under the same lens as everything else. It doesn't work that way.
Humor is a very complicated subject.
This thread would have gone a completely different way if Chappelle said this stuff in an actual interview with a straight face as opposed to a comedy special of his named Sticks and Stones where the entire thing was about talking about things that offend people in 2019.
I'm not going to wade into the really tricky larger conversation here, but I have to object to this characterization of his joke, since the punchline ("I'm not a [n-word] either.") is very explicitly anti-racist and the point is that the largely white Standards & Practices people were bringing a lot of unacknowledged racist assumptions to their assessment of his material and letting that prejudice color their perceptions of what he should and shouldn't be allowed to say.
Yes, sure, a racist could maliciously misconstrue that joke as a permission slip to use the n-word, but it seems like it would be a shame to kill one of the most brutally incisive (and once against: anti-racist) punchlines in the whole special because it might be manipulatively used by a group of people whose entire MO is taking shit out of context to justify their xenophobic worldview.
No. I used icon correctly in this thread. I posted a definition a number of pages back as well just in case anything was unclear.Might have something to do with the use of the word "icon". Words don't just stop having meanings.
but today is the time to quote a 4 day old post?
The reason I brought up the alt-right is because they seem to be clamoring to signal boost, celebrate and show connection with Chappelle. I'm not the one making the connection, they are. I'm just pointing it out here.There really is nothing to defend in the trans jokes in this one. There's no funny punchline nor incisive commentary (the one about gays and lesbians resenting trans people for making the struggle harder could have a germ of a point about how even marginalized people can recapitulate oppression, if the whole bit were crafted differently), just a lot of tired stereotypes and observations tied on the really weird and unfunny edifice of the car ride. And the less said about the Chinese joke, the better.
Tying this to the alt-right is rather ridiculous, though. If you want to understand the various strains of white supremacism in the US, I'd recommend the podcast "I Don't Speak German", which lays out rather clearly that the misogyny, homophobia, and transphobia in those communities is on a whole different level and has different philosophical underpinnings. This is pretty garden variety transphobia by comparison. That's not to excuse it, so much as to say that "alt-right" becomes even more useless as a term if it's affixed to every example of bigotry and intolerance out there.
There's a difference between poking fun at people and outright mocking their existence in extremely negative ways. His trans jokes have always been the latter and he hasn't changed them at all despite outcry for years.I thought the special was hilarious. And genius.
EDIT: After reading through the thread, I think it's obvious some people just haven't seen enough comedy shows. This is what it is.
A lot of people said Dave fell off. I see the same Dave I've always seen. He's made fun of everyone.
And for the record, I think it's important to note that Dave Chappelle never said it was bad to be part of the LGBTQ+ community. Never once did he say it was bad, you shouldn't do it, or anything of that nature. He's always been one of those "fuck it, do you" kind of dudes.
Let's stop acting like he's a shit person, he's not.
I thought the special was hilarious. And genius.
EDIT: After reading through the thread, I think it's obvious some people just haven't seen enough comedy shows. This is what it is.
A lot of people said Dave fell off. I see the same Dave I've always seen. He's made fun of everyone.
And for the record, I think it's important to note that Dave Chappelle never said it was bad to be part of the LGBTQ+ community. Never once did he say it was bad, you shouldn't do it, or anything of that nature. He's always been one of those "fuck it, do you" kind of dudes.
Let's stop acting like he's a shit person, he's not.
I've seen plenty, but thanks for dismissing the concerns of those in the thread as just being ignorant to "comedy".I thought the special was hilarious. And genius.
EDIT: After reading through the thread, I think it's obvious some people just haven't seen enough comedy shows. This is what it is.
Nah, fuck that. Mocking two people that were repeatedly raped, groomed and abused as children and claiming none of it happened is something that isn't just brushed off because the person saying it is on stage with a mic.It's fine to have personal no-go zones with respect to what you do or do not find funny, but it wasn't pushing anything ideologically offensive or untoward.
Chappelle is obviously anti-racist... he is pro transphobia and homophobia though.