What makes you think Israeli's are impossible to compromise with Git? Hmm...
Where did I say Israelis? Sorry I don't conflate the actions of a state with its entire populace. Is that what you're doing?
What makes you think Israeli's are impossible to compromise with Git? Hmm...
And she equated Omar's tweets to the 9/11 poster linking Omar to terrorism...She said lawmakers must debate without prejudice and bigotry...
Yes, fuck the current Israeli government.
Some of y'all in here implying or outright calling for the abolition of Israel tho like ??? y'all wonder why people are jumpy lmao
"There is nothing anti-semitic about the left! Also, abolish the Israeli state!"
Yes, fuck the current Israeli government.
Some of y'all in here implying or outright calling for the abolition of Israel tho like ??? y'all wonder why people are jumpy lmao
"There is nothing anti-semitic about the left! Also, abolish the Israeli state!"
Would it make you feel better if people just added "the current admin" in all of their posts?
If there was a revolutionary movement of Palestinians and Israelis organizing in solidarity to abolish the zionist state and establish a secular democracy with equal rights for all* , I have a hard time seeing how any progressive person could justify opposing it.
* I would also suggest the abolition of private property and wage labor...
Sure, the thread turned into trash because of who keeps trashing it.It would make me feel better if people didn't want to abolish the Israeli state.
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This thread is trash I'm out, keep on keeping the anti-semitism of the left alive tho y'all.
"I can't respond to any of the many valid points people are making so I'm running away and accusing everyone of hating Jews"It would make me feel better if people didn't want to abolish the Israeli state.
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This thread is trash I'm out, keep on keeping the anti-semitism of the left alive tho y'all.
It was an honest question smhIt would make me feel better if people didn't want to abolish the Israeli state.
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This thread is trash I'm out, keep on keeping the anti-semitism of the left alive tho y'all.
"I can't respond to any of the many valid points people are making so I'm running away and accusing everyone of hating Jews"
Good discourse thanks,,,
I think he's trying to say that Israel can and should still exist if they stopped committing genocide, which is very true.
Well at least they took the trash out with them.Sure, the thread turned into trash because of who keeps trashing it.
We all know who that person is.
Sure, the thread turned into trash because of who keeps trashing it.
We all know who that person is.
Don't even engage marrec. He is bad faith trolling trying to tie everything into anti-semitism.
It would make me feel better if people didn't want to abolish the Israeli state.
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This thread is trash I'm out, keep on keeping the anti-semitism of the left alive tho y'all.
I'll respond to this before dipping, cause this is an important distinction. I'm all for creating an actual representative democracy in Israel that doesn't impose apartheid on Palestine. That is VERY DIFFERENT from abolishing the Israeli state however.
Now I'm out.
Just bringing up the fact that the founding fathers were all slave owning shit heads is controversial enoughFWIW, America should be abolished as well, if we're just axing off imperialist colonial states
If you keep wanting our representatives to go into the temple and upset the money-changers table than don't be fucking surprised when they get crucified. (to use a possibly offensive analogy)
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Change IS happening, the rules are being rewritten, the money-changers are getting kicked out of the temple, but it's going to take more time and until then you have to message in a way that's going to be effective, rather than a way that's going to be controversial.
Yes, fuck the current Israeli government.
Some of y'all in here implying or outright calling for the abolition of Israel tho like ??? y'all wonder why people are jumpy lmao
"There is nothing anti-semitic about the left! Also, abolish the Israeli state!"
Don't even engage marrec. He is bad faith trolling trying to tie everything into anti-semitism.
You're incorrectly conflating anti-Israel sentiment with anti-Jewish sentiment. Israel could be a majority Christian and most of the criticism would stand.
And she equated Omar's tweets to the 9/11 poster linking Omar to terrorism...
Shit has escalated quickly. We went from the discussion of being able to criticize Israel for its actions and not applying it directly to Jewish people who may not even support Israels actions, to now stating that they have no right to exist in the region. One person speculated that the only reason Israel shouldn't be wiped off the map is that it would be logistically difficult to achieve.
So what I am assuming is that Rep. Omar should also declare on twitter that Israel has no right to exist and that anyone who would condemn her statement has simply vowed allegiance to Israel over their own home country. Any controversy over this objectively true statement would be the result of the AIPAC/Pro Israel lobby. /s
Shit has escalated quickly. We went from the discussion of being able to criticize Israel for its actions and not applying it directly to Jewish people who may not even support Israels actions, to now stating that they have no right to exist in the region. One person speculated that the only reason Israel shouldn't be wiped off the map is that it would be logistically difficult to achieve.
So what I am assuming is that Rep. Omar should also declare on twitter that Israel has no right to exist and that anyone who would condemn her statement has simply vowed allegiance to Israel over their own home country. Any controversy over this objectively true statement would be the result of the AIPAC/Pro Israel lobby. /s
And yet Israel is the only nation that gets calls for abolishment on this forum.
And yet Israel is the only nation that gets calls for abolishment on this forum.
Maybe because it's a unique combination of ethnonationalistic apartheid through colonial means, which means that the end of the apartheid system fundamentally requires the abolition or severe reworking of the state as it is.And yet Israel is the only nation that gets calls for abolishment on this forum.
Yep, that answers that, haha!
Because of my appearance, I get asked what I think about Israel on the freaking daily. It never stops haha
Why would anyone possibly think that?Riiiiight, you just don't think there's a possibility for Israel to accept a non-apartheid state for.... reasons.
No, this is a very weak justification based on revisionist history. The chants were for freedom, ending apartheid, not abolishing South Africa.Maybe because it's a unique combination of ethnonationalistic apartheid through colonial means, which means that the end of the apartheid system fundamentally requires the abolition or severe reworking of the state as it is.
Just like the South African apartheid state was effectively abolished when apartheid ended, and a new state took its place.
Who said Jews should be removed from the region? Quote them.
Dissolution of a state, it's sovereignty, and it's borders, is not the same as calling for the removal of Jews from the region.
I haven't been following this latest set of comments very closely, only read the OP. Assuming dual loyalties is a very common anti-semitic trope, but most on the first page of this thread don't seem to be concerned about that. Why is this action by the Democrats an issue?
I guess that depends if you identify as Israeli or not, people asking you about Israel if you're third generation American (for example) would be like asking a third generation ethnically Chinese person about the PRC. Most Chinese people I know can't read Mandarin, don't keep in touch with distant family, and have no real understanding or even interest in what's going on in China. Not only that, but they are not expected to defend the PRC, and are not looked at as people who have loyalties to the state.
a state that gave full rights to everyone under its control and granted reparations to those palestinians who had been wronged would be a fundamentally different state from israel as it is now constitutedYes, fuck the current Israeli government.
Some of y'all in here implying or outright calling for the abolition of Israel tho like ??? y'all wonder why people are jumpy lmao
"There is nothing anti-semitic about the left! Also, abolish the Israeli state!"
People mostly only ask for Israel to give equal human rights to all the people under its control regardless of of their race or religion.And yet Israel is the only nation that gets calls for abolishment on this forum.
a state that gave full rights to everyone under its control and granted reparations to those palestinians who had been wronged would be a fundamentally different state from israel as it is now constituted
literally no one is calling for jewish genocide, you're only casting your opponents in that light because zionism doesn't win arguments when it comes to reason and morality
It's not really a mystery, Israel and its supporters believe that BDS = antisemitism, they said so many many times, this is not something that they are trying to hide.She was clearly talking about her own loyalties and the pressure put on her to support Israel. How that somehow gets transformed into antisemitism is beyond me. She was speaking against this type of insanity.
I dunno how the dude hasn't been perma'd yet. He's literally been on these antics since ResetERA started and he's still getting temps.Don't even engage marrec. He is bad faith trolling trying to tie everything into anti-semitism.
jews would be fine in an israeli/palestinian state with strong legal and constitutional protections for all ethnicities and religionsLook at the history of Jewish people in the middle east and tell me everything will be fine for Jews without Israel.