Kingdom Come: Deliverance Day One Patch Size is 23GB

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Cor

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#53
Scam is definitely a bit much and i really don't see a huge issue here unless your internet connection is truly terrible but then you will probably run into problems with most games now since pretty much everything requires at least a day 1 patch these days, let's face it digital is the future the sooner ppl get used to it the better, i'm on PC only i have not seen a physical game in years you get used to it pretty fast and as far as i'm concerned there are no downsides to digital only.
if the game cant run at all from the data present on the disc and it doesnt show Internet Connection Required on the box, i'd be scammy af tho
 
Oct 27, 2017
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#55
Not sure if you're serious. If you are, that's not how patches work.
In other words, instead of releasing the game on a disc that has only 100MB of data on it in which you then have to download the 23gb patch, why not just release the game as digital only? Meaning game/patch in one single download and no retail version. Just don't see the point in even wasting the money, time and resources to make the game available on disc if doesn't even contain the game itself.

It is just as bad as retail games having just a download code inside. Like, WTF is the point? I would have made the game digital only, sell it for $40 instead of $60 and probably get a lot more sales for the game while at the same time, avoiding any possible complaints regarding this situation/decision.

Hoping that Deep Silver doesn't do this shit with Metro Exodus.
 

Bond

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I have a strange feeling that Kingdom Come is going to be bug ridden on release, didn't Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 5 have similar patch sizes?. This is not a good sign
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#61
Compression is a thing you know if the game doesn't have huge video files (and i highly doubt this has any) it should compress pretty well.
A Warhorse PR guy mentioned in a preview video that the game has about 4 hours worth of cutscenes. Don't know about their file size though.
 

jesu

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Hey guys, chiming in here for a second. I can talk about the patch to a certain extent, but first, here's a note from Martin Klima, Executive Producer at Warhorse:

“Four years after our Kickstarter campaign, our game is set to be released tomorrow. The task was really big and our team although still quite small and we always wanted to deliver, to create the game we wanted and we believed you wanted. Before talking about some background, all of us at Warhorse would like to thank our community, the backers and friends who helped us to bring this dream to life by giving us the chance to develop what we believe is a unique RPG experience!

The production realities of game development mean that a ‘release’ version has to be finalized some time before the actual release date. We could have used this time to get some rest, or we could use it to create some additional content and sell it to you as DLC, but we went back to the version-to-be-released and worked on it. The results are obvious: quests are more balanced, RPG progression is smoother, the game runs faster and every facet of the game got more polish. The drawback of course is that most of the data in the old build was replaced and has to be downloaded as a patch. At a hefty size, it’s going to take some time to download and it’s a shame. Still, we strongly believe that after four years wait it will pay off to wait a little bit longer while the Day 1 patch is downloading. Trust me, it will deliver the awesome experience YOU deserve!”
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Frostman

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I have a strange feeling that Kingdom Come is going to be bug ridden on release, didn't Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 5 have similar patch sizes?. This is not a good sign
The Twitch streams have been fine that I’ve seen, no major bugs. But of course that doesn’t mean on release, with a much larger player pool, that some won’t be discovered.
 

WillJPowers

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#68
So, let me stop the rumor mill dead in its tracks before everyone continues jumping to conclusions. The way that I've been told that the engine works, is it takes the entire game and separates the PKG or ISO into 2GB archives. If during a patch you so much as alter a 1KB text file within any of these 2GB archives, then you need to reupload the ENTIRE 2GB portion. That beings said, this is a major patch that improves overarching mechanics throughout the game, so it touches almost all of these 2GB archives in the entire game build. Essentially you are having to redownload the game to replace the existing files. It shouldn't stack them and inflate on your harddrive, but rather replace the previously downloaded build files.
 
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#70
Scam is definitely a bit much and i really don't see a huge issue here unless your internet connection is truly terrible but then you will probably run into problems with most games now since pretty much everything requires at least a day 1 patch these days, let's face it digital is the future the sooner ppl get used to it the better, i'm on PC only i have not seen a physical game in years you get used to it pretty fast and as far as i'm concerned there are no downsides to digital only.
I enjoy my hefty digital library too- but some gamers have a data limit per month. Imagine purchasing a physical copy & hit with the Full game download without stating this requirement on the box?


if the game cant run at all from the data present on the disc and it doesnt show Internet Connection Required on the box, i'd be scammy af tho
I agree. Is this confirmed for this retail release? Does anyone know if Kingdom Come can be played Offline?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#72
So, let me stop the rumor mill dead in its tracks before everyone continues jumping to conclusions. The way that I've been told that the engine works, is it takes the entire game and separates the PKG or ISO into 2GB archives. If during a patch you so much as alter a 1KB text file within any of these 2GB archives, then you need to reupload the ENTIRE 2GB portion. That beings said, this is a major patch that improves overarching mechanics throughout the game, so it touches almost all of these 2GB archives in the entire game build. Essentially you are having to redownload the game to replace the existing files. It shouldn't stack them and inflate on your harddrive, but rather replace the previously downloaded build files.
Thanks for the clarification. If there's one thing Era does best it's jumping to conclusions over no evidence.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#76
So, let me stop the rumor mill dead in its tracks before everyone continues jumping to conclusions. The way that I've been told that the engine works, is it takes the entire game and separates the PKG or ISO into 2GB archives. If during a patch you so much as alter a 1KB text file within any of these 2GB archives, then you need to reupload the ENTIRE 2GB portion. That beings said, this is a major patch that improves overarching mechanics throughout the game, so it touches almost all of these 2GB archives in the entire game build. Essentially you are having to redownload the game to replace the existing files. It shouldn't stack them and inflate on your harddrive, but rather replace the previously downloaded build files.
This, and the other post should be in the OP if possible.

Thanks for the clarification.
 
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So, let me stop the rumor mill dead in its tracks before everyone continues jumping to conclusions. The way that I've been told that the engine works, is it takes the entire game and separates the PKG or ISO into 2GB archives. If during a patch you so much as alter a 1KB text file within any of these 2GB archives, then you need to reupload the ENTIRE 2GB portion. That beings said, this is a major patch that improves overarching mechanics throughout the game, so it touches almost all of these 2GB archives in the entire game build. Essentially you are having to redownload the game to replace the existing files. It shouldn't stack them and inflate on your harddrive, but rather replace the previously downloaded build files.
That's how a lot of games work, but the rumor part is that the game only comes with 100mb, can you confirm that's not true?

From the other thread:

Well.

Disk = Disc
Netzwerk = Network

And the game specifically said I have to download a 21,82 GB patch
 

GameZone

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The same thing happened to LA Noire Remastered. The entire game is probably on the disc if you install it offline, but if you are online, it downloads a patch that is there entire game, and it pretty much overwrites everything that is on the disc. I don`t get why they do this.

 

WillJPowers

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#84
That's how a lot of games work, but the rumor part is that the game only comes with 100mb, can you confirm that's not true?

From the other thread:
The game only comes with 100mb? This is 100% not true. The game, whether physical or digital, comes as a fully first party QA approved product. However, since we all waiting four years the for game, I'd recommend waiting another hour to download the patch that the Warhorse team was able to use the 6-weeks (at least) between submission of the final build and its release date to continue to work on and polish.
 

GameZone

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So the disc only has 100MB on it? Why even bother with the disc and retail to begin with? Should have been a digital download only game.
Nope. Like I said, the entire game is probably on the disc, but if you install it while being online, the "patch" pretty much overwrite everything that is on the disc. It`s a decent solution if you don`t have Internet at all, but it`s completely insane if you have Internet, and just want to be able to patch the game and save data.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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#86
Hey guys, chiming in here for a second. I can talk about the patch to a certain extent, but first, here's a note from Martin Klima, Executive Producer at Warhorse:

“Four years after our Kickstarter campaign, our game is set to be released tomorrow. The task was really big and our team although still quite small and we always wanted to deliver, to create the game we wanted and we believed you wanted. Before talking about some background, all of us at Warhorse would like to thank our community, the backers and friends who helped us to bring this dream to life by giving us the chance to develop what we believe is a unique RPG experience!

The production realities of game development mean that a ‘release’ version has to be finalized some time before the actual release date. We could have used this time to get some rest, or we could use it to create some additional content and sell it to you as DLC, but we went back to the version-to-be-released and worked on it. The results are obvious: quests are more balanced, RPG progression is smoother, the game runs faster and every facet of the game got more polish. The drawback of course is that most of the data in the old build was replaced and has to be downloaded as a patch. At a hefty size, it’s going to take some time to download and it’s a shame. Still, we strongly believe that after four years wait it will pay off to wait a little bit longer while the Day 1 patch is downloading. Trust me, it will deliver the awesome experience YOU deserve!”
Congrats on the launch! I have not looked forward to a new IP this much in quite awhile!
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#88
The same thing happened to LA Noire Remastered. The entire game is probably on the disc if you install it offline, but if you are online, it downloads a patch that is there entire game, and it pretty much overwrites everything that is on the disc. I don`t get why they do this.
That's actually pretty neat if that's the case. Instead of wasting your time making you install the whole game only to replace it, it already detects the patch and ignores the disc. Didn't know consoles could even do that.

The game only comes with 100mb? This is 100% not true. The game, whether physical or digital, comes as a fully first party QA approved product. However, since we all waiting four years the for game, I'd recommend waiting another hour to download the patch that the Warhorse team was able to use the 6-weeks (at least) between submission of the final build and its release date to continue to work on and polish.
Awesome, that puts it to rest, I'll even edit my post in the first page. Thank you!
 
Oct 28, 2017
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#89
Hey guys, chiming in here for a second. I can talk about the patch to a certain extent, but first, here's a note from Martin Klima, Executive Producer at Warhorse:

“Four years after our Kickstarter campaign, our game is set to be released tomorrow. The task was really big and our team although still quite small and we always wanted to deliver, to create the game we wanted and we believed you wanted. Before talking about some background, all of us at Warhorse would like to thank our community, the backers and friends who helped us to bring this dream to life by giving us the chance to develop what we believe is a unique RPG experience!

The production realities of game development mean that a ‘release’ version has to be finalized some time before the actual release date. We could have used this time to get some rest, or we could use it to create some additional content and sell it to you as DLC, but we went back to the version-to-be-released and worked on it. The results are obvious: quests are more balanced, RPG progression is smoother, the game runs faster and every facet of the game got more polish. The drawback of course is that most of the data in the old build was replaced and has to be downloaded as a patch. At a hefty size, it’s going to take some time to download and it’s a shame. Still, we strongly believe that after four years wait it will pay off to wait a little bit longer while the Day 1 patch is downloading. Trust me, it will deliver the awesome experience YOU deserve!”
It's a unfortunate situation but if that means a better and more polished experience, I can wait a little bit more. I hope that the game will perform well on regular PS4, though.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The same thing happened to LA Noire Remastered. The entire game is probably on the disc if you install it offline, but if you are online, it downloads a patch that is there entire game, and it pretty much overwrites everything that is on the disc. I don`t get why they do this.

Isn’t this an unnecessary waste of bandwidth for consumers?
 

GameZone

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That's actually pretty neat if that's the case. Instead of wasting your time making you install the whole game only to replace it, it already detects the patch and ignores the disc. Didn't know consoles could even do that.


Awesome, that puts it to rest, I'll even edit my post in the first page. Thank you!
It doesn`t bother me as long as the entire game is on the disc, but I don`t know why the patch have to replace the entire disc content.
 

Edge

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The game only comes with 100mb? This is 100% not true. The game, whether physical or digital, comes as a fully first party QA approved product. However, since we all waiting four years the for game, I'd recommend waiting another hour to download the patch that the Warhorse team was able to use the 6-weeks (at least) between submission of the final build and its release date to continue to work on and polish.

That screenshot is from me and I don't know what should be not true about this. It downloads the complete game and only installs around 100mb from the disc, what can I say, it's what it is.

Haven't tested to install it offline but that's what it does when I'm online.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It doesn`t bother me as long as the entire game is on the disc, but I don`t know why the patch have to replace the entire disc content.
I think it's just an unfortunate consequence of the patch changing things that are all over the place and require full 2GB file replacements, which ended up adding to be the whole game.

The 1.02 patch is apparently 5GB by itself if you already had 1.01, so that's like 3 files being replaced.

That screenshot is from me and I don't know what should be not true about this. It downloads the complete game and only installs around 100mb from the disc, what can I say, it's what it is.

Haven't tested to install it offline but that's what it does when I'm online.
He's not saying your screenshot is false, only that you can in fact play it offline, the game doesn't require an internet conection.
 

Paul

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Lot can be improved in the 6 weeks between submission and shipping, but I am glad with steam I will just get the up to date copy right away.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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The game only comes with 100mb? This is 100% not true. The game, whether physical or digital, comes as a fully first party QA approved product. However, since we all waiting four years the for game, I'd recommend waiting another hour to download the patch that the Warhorse team was able to use the 6-weeks (at least) between submission of the final build and its release date to continue to work on and polish.
Hi WillJPowers. In one of the other Kingdom threads a user is playing this on the Xbox One X and is reporting stuttering/micro stutters. Is the team aware of this issue? In addition, in some of the videos he posted, he is in a room and only a few feet away objects are appearing/disappearing...it looks odd and seems like it is a LOD issue. Other parts of his video's you don't see it. Any word on any additional fixes the team is working on?
 
Oct 27, 2017
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That screenshot is from me and I don't know what should be not true about this. It downloads the complete game and only installs around 100mb from the disc, what can I say, it's what it is.

Haven't tested to install it offline but that's what it does when I'm online.
He allrdy addressed that and this doesn't mean there are only 100mb on the disc just that the patch files take priority...
 

Edge

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1.0 save files don't work on the 1.02 patch as well.

Make sure you're downloading your patch before you play with this one!

Is it out on Xbox too? Only had 1.01 there.

I think it's just an unfortunate consequence of the patch changing things that are all over the place and require full 2GB file replacements, which ended up adding to be the whole game.

The 1.02 patch is apparently 5GB by itself if you already had 1.01, so that's like 3 files being replaced.



He's not saying your screenshot is false, only that you can in fact play it offline, the game doesn't require an internet conection.
He allrdy addressed that and this doesn't mean there are only 100mb on the disc just that the patch files take priority...

Alright, got it, thanks.



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Does 1.02 fix the horrible framepacing?


That should be priority number one next. It's awful how the whole screen stutters and stops every 2 seconds, it's throughout the whole video.
 
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