For a former comedian, he seems pretty bad at reading the room.
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But seeing that FB post, I kinda get what the original message was. Still very clumsy.
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Massive Russian military buildup near Ukraine
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For a former comedian, he seems pretty bad at reading the room.
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But seeing that FB post, I kinda get what the original message was. Still very clumsy.
Yes it was clearly meant in the way you mention, otherwise it would be a complete 180 from his former position and he wouldn't just be saying "let's fly our flag high". The dangers of relying on super quick reads in translation by media.
On the other hand if there really is an attack on the 16th then he's going to look like a fucking fool for not preparing the populace for the possibility
Would Russia really waste hypersonic missiles on a nation with very few anti-air/missile capabilities? I saw reports that Iskander hypersonic missiles have been moved into firing position on the border, but I just don't see why Russia would use those extremely expensive weapons when regular cruise missiles would accomplish the same goal?
That does seem to have been the actual spirit of the post.
The only room he cares about are Ukrainians.
He's also trying to avoid giving Russia soundbites.
Keep in mind, since Russia handed its "ultimatum" there have been 2 9-hour meetings between presidential advisors of Ukraine, Russia, France and Germany (the Normandy 4), with the sole goal of forcing Ukraine to concede to the Russian interpretation of the existing Minsk agreements. And both meetings have ended with nothing, despite the fact that Zelensky's representative, Yermak is a known Russian sympathizer. But he can't make any concessions, because domestic pressure on Zelensky is even greater, and both the politically active citizens and his political opponents will eat him alive if he does.
In the meantime, the Russian Duma approved 2 versions of requests to Putin to acknowledge the "People's Republics" in the Temporarily Occupied Regions of Donbas-something that would directly contradict the Minsk Agreemenuts.
Putin's party has majority in the Duma, so obviously these are theatrics. But it gives them more options.
Those who want to evacuate should make arrangements. Those who are prepared for the worst got nothing to stress about. That's the gist of Zelensky's message. It's shit, but it's the best you can expect in the situation.
Russia has had THREE NATO members on its border sinice 2004.
Plus Poland, if you count Kaliningrad
3 Baltic states
Norway
Poland, which borders Kaliningrad just like Lithuania
Baltics and Poland. Kaliningrad is a Russian enclave.
Edit: I guess Norway is technically as well so 5.
You should've said "Russia will never allow a country that speaks the language they say they understand (even though they actually don't) and consider to be part of their "ancestral home" to become a NATO state, they'd rather invade"
That would've been more realistic. Though still seeped in bullshit propaganda
He didn't say 16 is day of attack. He said "we are being told 16 is a day of attack". Now i don't want to be rude but your guys opinions about Zelensky is a joke. I also read some discussions here and all this "Russia is going to attack within hours" and "Kyiv is goint to fall in two days" is like reading russian bots. Calm the fuck down.
They used some in Syria, so I don't think they'll hold them back.
Yeah and that happened back the 90's, in the aftermath of the dissolution of the Warsaw pact, Russia in the 90's couldn't even take Grozny and their people were begging for bread on streets, gangs controlled neighborhoods and 24h electricity was a privilege while their president was a booze hound.
All of which lead to Putin coming into power, reshaping the army into a modern one with massive reforms, boosting the economy, and hoarding over 600 billions in USD to shield himself from sanctions all to stop NATO expanding any further.
Boris Yeltsin might have sat silent when Poland went to NATO but Putin invaded Georgia when they tried back in 2008.
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You mean future former NATO members?
I would guess Poland and Hungary are more likely to get kicked out of the EU than NATO, but that is neither here nor there.
The Baltics were added to NATO in 2004 while Putin was President of Russia actually, they weren't just grabbed in the 90s.
They've used Iskanders in Syria against hospitals in rebel areas so I have no doubt they would use them to hit Ukrainian military targets. There are different Iskander variants. There's been footage recently near the border showing a convoy of several launch vehicles with a long line of trucks carrying additional missiles so I have no doubt they will be used as part of the attack in Ukraine too, if it happens.
First term, where Russia was still severely impoverished, had to go through the Kursk submarine disaster, wage the second Chechen war, reaching a deal with the Oligarchs to kickstart economic resuscitation, hostage situations.
Even his military reforms didn't kick in until after he invaded Georgia.
If Putin had what he had today back in the 90's he would've definitely blocked NATO expansion then.
Iskanders, Kaliber cruise missiles, Bastions and Long range artillery are what you'll see day 1. Actual air attack may not be in the first hours since Russia doesn't have much stealth capability. Once they think air defenses are degraded, then the air phase will start.
On that note I do wonder how much EW is Russia going to throw at NATO since NATO has significant radar coverage over Ukraine and can pass that on which will make degrading air defenses much harder and much more dangerous for Russian pilots.
On that note I do wonder how much EW is Russia going to throw at NATO since NATO has significant radar coverage over Ukraine and can pass that on which will make degrading air defenses much harder and much more dangerous for Russian pilots.
I think Cyber attacks to cut off critical infrastructures, from electricity to communication and water would precede any cruise and ballistic missile strikes.
Yes, those are Day 0 attacks as I mentioned earlier today. We should see those within 24 hours.
Edit: wonder if Ukraine is allowing NATO access to those networks to try and help contain intrusions.
They most definitely will, another sign would be when Russia starts jamming NATO AWACS and radars, Russian army moved a big number of EW equipment and radar systems to border.
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As a show of force on a global stage?
YES.
Don't try to apply logic to anything Putin is doing. In a logical world, someone has explained it to him that he's opening the door to World War 3.
I wish people would stop with the WW3 stuff. Ukraine being invaded is awful but with the Western powers saying that they're not going to war with Russia over it there's no real way to get from that to WW3.
Things like Ukraine escalation can domino into other things rather quickly.
Just looking at history, it's astounding how badly this can get.
I'm not saying ANY of this lightly. Russia/Putin wants an empire and is currently spitting in the face of EVERYONE to do just that.
What is the game here, again trying to pin this on the West and not being flexible? The West stance has not changed.
The west has done a very good job of ramping up pressure on Russia. They have stolen the narrative from them. They have done this by playing russia at their own game, making "alarmist" announcements and constantly leaking out information. If russia does not invade on the 16th then the US can say "Our pressure made sure this did not happen" Russia meanwhile will say it never was going to invade etc.
0.0001% chance that this leads to WW3. It's honestly not even worth thinking about that.
NATO will never agree to that (if you are implying that those added after 1997 would be kicked out of the alliance, which I think was one of Russia's demands. )
Interesting. Scottish young labour calling out young labour stance. . Interesting that not all progessiver/leftist groups are peddling Russian propaganda.
The Labour Party had a vital role in establishing NATO in the first place - it's funny to see folks pushing the idea that supporting the organisation is somehow completely against "Labour values".
Edit: Like clockwork, Bastani shows up talking nonsense in the comments.
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Most of them will grow out of it. Others, like Corbyn, sadly won't.
This has been such an exposition event
https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenAndPl...couraging_a_war_is_an_incitement_of_violence/ sub in question
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