I am 100% in favour of this move and I hope this game succeeds.
I can't buy this game anymore on PC because of this move as well as many others, so thanks I guess.
I am 100% in favour of this move and I hope this game succeeds.
I got Steam. I also have Uplay, Origin, Epic and GOG. I buy the games from whoever offers them cheaper. Still don't get the big fuss about it to be honest. Could you tell me why you think it is so bad?
By the way, I'm not planning on buying Metro as it's not the kind of game I'm into.
Jesus mate, have you not seen the glut of Epic threads we've had by now
Not really, haven't been online much lately. Judging by the agressive answers I'm getting from this thread, I think I'm just gonna go back to check this place every now and then and try not to ask any questions.
Edit: I've read about 15 pages of the thread now and I see most people are annoyed at the moneyhatting. So pissed off that a lot of tthem attack people who dare to ask why.
As someone who doesn't see any benefits from this, can you tell me why this is a good thing for you to accept?
"Le competition without competing storefronts, Steam evil and Epic the little good guy." Mark my words.
I can't buy this game anymore on PC because of this move as well as many others, so thanks I guess.
Well we've been getting incessantly trolled by corporate stans on this so many are certainly edgy right now
From a customer stand point, why do you want to see yet another major platform in this market, despite there are already more than a dozen platforms available on PC right now?At the end of the day this move doesn't affect me negatively therefore I support it, primarily because I would like to see another major platform in this market
Wait, why can't you buy it now? Not available in your country?I can't buy this game anymore on PC because of this move as well as many others, so thanks I guess.
At the end of the day this move doesn't affect me negatively therefore I support it,
As best I'm aware there isn't a precedent to this on PC. We have plenty of launchers but none of their respective companies have stooped to this tactic, not even by those in a financial position to do so (such as Microsoft). Some have chosen not to release their own games on Steam but none have actively sought to aggressively take third-party games away from other stores, and particularly not ones already up for pre-order mere weeks before release. Many insist Valve will be forced to lower their cut but what exactly will that achieve? Even if Valve went right down to 0% it wouldn't stop Epic from money-hatting the games away. So there's not really much it can do to compete with that other than to start money-hatting games itself. That is the worst kind of competition.The more competition the better is the primary reason behind my support of Epic's moves thus far, there is no denying that it is a pretty underhanded way of operating but that's what you have to do sometimes, it's not like there isn't any precedent for it.
The more games the better as far as I am concerned. The bigger the titles means a larger amount of people on the platform spending even more money, more activity on the store means they'll spend more time and resources on getting the store up to par with features and availability to other regions. The more competition the better is the primary reason behind my support of Epic's moves thus far, there is no denying that it is a pretty underhanded way of operating but that's what you have to do sometimes, it's not like there isn't any precedent for it.
At the end of the day this move doesn't affect me negatively therefore I support it, primarily because I would like to see another major platform in this market but also because I have immense patience and usually don't buy games anywhere near release so if this doesn't work out at all I'll just buy it in a year on Steam.
And I was wondering why this thread was 33 pages long.
That is unfortunate and I understand why you would be unhappy but I did not make this decision and am allowed to my opinion.
Has this been posted before? I dunno if we've had an official clear confirmation of this earlier, it's getting hard to keep up with both the news and the threads.
(for those who can't see linked tweets, it's a tweet from the official account that says "Physical editions of Metro Exodus will ship with Epic keys")
I know the discussion has taken a completely different turn now, so this seems sorta out of place at this point in the thread. Just wanted to make it clear if it wasn't.
Oh god, if true then thank god I preordered it on Steam then.Has this been posted before? I dunno if we've had an official clear confirmation of this earlier, it's getting hard to keep up with both the news and the threads.
(for those who can't see linked tweets, it's a tweet from the official account that says "Physical editions of Metro Exodus will ship with Epic keys")
I know the discussion has taken a completely different turn now, so this seems sorta out of place at this point in the thread. Just wanted to make it clear if it wasn't.
This is potentialy huge. Especially if it means that we can get steam keys from key sites now.
It's saying the opposite of that. The only steam keys will be for people who bought from official key sellers before the exclusivity announcement. Everyone else gets epic keys.
Ok I'm a bit confused now. I thought e.g. cdkeys buys retail versions from "cheaper" regions of the world and then sells just the keys. So, they should also get Steam keys?
This also means that somebody not wanting to use the epic store, but want to play the game could walk into a BestBuy, Walmart or order from Amazon and still get a steam key. Even after release. Or am I absolutely on the wrong path here?
The same info is now also in the Metro Exodus site's FAQ.
Yeah "not effect you at all"... you just thought you bought a Steam key with Steam features and now you get an Epic Store key with none of the features you thought you would get! Woop!I have pre-ordered a physical copy of Metro Exodus for PC. How will this news affect me?
This will not affect you at all. You will receive your packaged game with a key allowing you to play.
Bit of an update, Typing Metro in the search bar on Steam only brings up the first two games now, Metro Redux doesn't show up, don't know if it was Valve or Deep Silver that did this, but worth noting the change nonetheless.
There's no need for that, as the game is still coming to Steam in 2020. So technically, it's still a Steam game, not entirely removed.The store page is still accessible, But not through the search function. Can developers hide their store pages from search results? Makes me think its a Valve thing.
The store page is still accessible, But not through the search function. Can developers hide their store pages from search results? Makes me think its a Valve thing.
Ashen's still searchable. If they did it to both it wold look like policy, but doing it to just one would look a bit petty. I think this is more likely to be Deep Silver making it harder for people to find the forum to dump on them.
Because the game is still releasing on February 15th 2019, for those who've pre-ordered it on Steam. Then it will be officially out on Steam next year for the masses. So basically, the Steam version of Metro Exodus has 2 release dates.Yeah I was just wondering if developers could hide their games from search results or could only Valve do that. But the fact that Metro is the only hidden title seems like Deep Silver did it.
Ridiculous that they'll go out of their way to hide their game from the search results but keep the release date as "February 15th 2019" though.
Im not happy with this situation either but that picture is nonsense. There are plenty Epic key sellers.
£49.99 in the UK. What a fucking joke.
Although G2Play have it for £36/40 euros, EU people.
https://www.g2play.net/category/59747/metro-exodus-pre-order-eu-epic-games-cd-key/
Im not happy with this situation either but that picture is nonsense. There are plenty Epic key sellers.
https://www.allkeyshop.com/blog/buy-metro-exodus-cd-key-compare-prices/
Im not happy with this situation either but that picture is nonsense. There are plenty Epic key sellers.
https://www.allkeyshop.com/blog/buy-metro-exodus-cd-key-compare-prices/
So many people have the Epic game client on their computers now thanks to the popularity of FortNite.
Well we've been getting incessantly trolled by corporate stans on this so many are certainly edgy right now
£49.99 in the UK. What a fucking joke.
Although G2Play have it for £36/40 euros, EU people.
https://www.g2play.net/category/59747/metro-exodus-pre-order-eu-epic-games-cd-key/
Im not happy with this situation either but that picture is nonsense. There are plenty Epic key sellers.
https://www.allkeyshop.com/blog/buy-metro-exodus-cd-key-compare-prices/
Not a single authorized one and bunch of especially shady ones. Great.£49.99 in the UK. What a fucking joke.
Although G2Play have it for £36/40 euros, EU people.
https://www.g2play.net/category/59747/metro-exodus-pre-order-eu-epic-games-cd-key/
Im not happy with this situation either but that picture is nonsense. There are plenty Epic key sellers.
https://www.allkeyshop.com/blog/buy-metro-exodus-cd-key-compare-prices/
Well we've been getting incessantly trolled by corporate stans on this so many are certainly edgy right now
Are you sure you aren't just one of those hyper-toxic pro-consumer people?
Grey or Black market.
This picture is only about authorized resellers.
These sellers you linked either wont have keys or get them through physical copies.
honestly didn't realise your photo was authorized sellers only, my mistake!Grey or Black market.
This picture is only about authorized resellers.
These sellers you linked either wont have keys or get them through physical copies.
Its something, I guess. It sure beats handing £50 over in the Epic store when its good old reliable cdkeys.Not a single authorized one and bunch of especially shady ones. Great.
Are you sure you aren't just one of those hyper-toxic pro-consumer people?
The fuck is this idiot spewing?
Toxic Pro-Consumer?
Is this an alt-right journalist? Hail corporate?
I read it twice and I have no godly clue what on earth is happening in Nathan's mind. How do these journalists end up defending the dumbest of the takes? I can already imagine the future headlines about online paywalling "these entitled, neckbeard, nerd, incel crybabies are mad for paying for nothing. Valve spent years of cultivating free online and thats bad."The fuck is this idiot spewing?
Toxic Pro-Consumer?
Is this an alt-right journalist? Hail corporate?
I mean he's not wrong. Steam Discussion pages are some of the most toxic video-game based message boards I have ever seen. Valve fosters an insanely toxic community that they seemingly have no desire to even attempt to moderate appropriately, but I am not sure what that has to do with Epic's moneyhatting so its a bit irrelevant for him to bring it up. If Epic not having a Games Discussion Board set up being considered as 'focusing on creating a less toxic environment' then fucking lol."which is not to say I'm not skeptical of epic. I like that they're giving devs a bigger cut of revenue and focusing on creating a less toxic environment, but leaning hard into exclusives is always gonna be a divisive tactic--one you've gotta justify w a worthwhile platform."
Wow...
I feel like you're conflating things. Just because something is profitable to the publishers or the result of the free, open market doesn't mean that it's not anti consumer. If I made a DRM that had an unbreakable protection (thus being very appealing to pubs) but only had a single activation before the consumer is permanently locked out of their purchase and absolutely murdered the performance of the system it's being used on, it would be both free market and anti consumer. If BP bought out Ford and made it so that you could only refill your Ford car at their station, it would also be free market and anti consumer.I think this is where our thoughts on the matter collide. You'll have to elaborate on this further because I don't see how it's anti-consumerism. It's their money, their property, their game--they aren't obligated to release it anywhere, at a specific time or at a specific store. This is the result of a free, open market; products don't exist to solely favor me as a consumer, they exist to create demand and if you demand it you're free to buy it.
I agree with this, but unfortunately I can't help you with Bronson's comments. I'm just as confused as you are.I entered that conversation midway and seemingly halfway through a group of others talking. So maybe I should have just sat it out instead of interjecting myself, because Bronson's reply leaves me even more confused trying to understand what lies are being told leading to his disappointment? Him being cryptic isn't really helping unless I'm just not following.
I understand some hyperbole or vitriolic anger, such as the over the top "hope this company fails and closes" lashing out causing some disappointment. But I'm not sure how that translates into lying? Usually if you're not an actual asshole that's just some shooting from the hip anger you don't really mean. Like not actually getting excited about unemployment. But as I said to Bronson capitalism is capitalism. If the buyer has "consequences" for not spending their money, then a company has "consequences" for the way it conducts itself and the decisions it makes.
A very unpopular business decision has been made and there is a response from the buying market about what they think. I don't think there's much lying going on and I do expect a reasonable portion of responders to follow through. Will it be enough to hurt sales? Probably not with whatever epic have compensated. But it's hurting PR and that has its own complications above and beyond cold hard cash.
Bottom line is, alternatives exist for folks to buy the keys. That's something.
When the dust settles, and if the EGS thrives, no doubt we'll have more key resellers selling EGS keys.
I mean he's not wrong. Steam Discussion pages are some of the most toxic video-game based message boards I have ever seen. Valve fosters an insanely toxic community that they seemingly have no desire to even attempt to moderate appropriately, but I am not sure what that has to do with Epic's moneyhatting so its a bit irrelevant for him to bring it up. If Epic not having a Games Discussion Board set up being considered as 'focusing on creating a less toxic environment' then fucking lol.
I wonder if he considers EGS to be a 'worthwhile platform' because right now its so embarrassingly bare-bones im not sure how anyone could consider it so.
valve said:"In the past, we've been hesitant to get involved in the moderation of individual game discussions, as we didn't want to step on the toes of game developers that want to have their own style of communication with players and their own set of guidelines for behavior," they explained. "But over time, we've been hearing from more and more game developers that would actually prefer for us to take a more active role in discussion boards, at least to the extent of handling posts that are reported by other players."
Besides it would be pointless. Those resellers would have no margins to operate in.
That is exactly how I read it.If Epic not having a Games Discussion Board set up being considered as 'focusing on creating a less toxic environment' then fucking lol.
Those pics need to be updated with regional pricing. Epic is making day one purchases affordable for us in the Caribbean.I feel like you're conflating things. Just because something is profitable to the publishers or the result of the free, open market doesn't mean that it's not anti consumer. If I made a DRM that had an unbreakable protection (thus being very appealing to pubs) but only had a single activation before the consumer is permanently locked out of their purchase and absolutely murdered the performance of the system it's being used on, it would be both free market and anti consumer. If BP bought out Ford and made it so that you could only refill your Ford car at their station, it would also be free market and anti consumer.
Ultimately the situation with Metro Exodus is as follow: Epic moneyhatted koch specifically to prevent them from releasing the game anywhere other than their store. Not only does this bring nothing for the consumer (unlike GOG which offers DRM free games for example), but it actually takes things away from them (the freedom to choose where to purchase the game and what client to use) and force them to use a client that's objectively worse than Steam is. This deal might be good for epic and koch but it's harmful to everyone else, especially the consumer. We, the consumers, are worse off with this deal than we were without. Hence, anti consumerism.
I agree with this, but unfortunately I can't help you with Bronson's comments. I'm just as confused as you are.
More like some of you have been unduly hostile over this issue.
I've seen folks here with posts cheering on the review-bombing of the older Metro games. That's toxic stuff.
There's a reason why 'pro-consumer' is put in air quotes in that tweet.
Are you sure you aren't just one of those hyper-toxic pro-consumer people?
Are you sure you aren't just one of those hyper-toxic pro-consumer people?