Oh really now smhNo one said split the thread until someone came in and said Xbox was more powerful based on informed speculation lmao
Oh really now smhNo one said split the thread until someone came in and said Xbox was more powerful based on informed speculation lmao
Hmm, Tommy of GAF doesn't think reram will be in the PS5. I hope he's wrong on that.
What informed speculation is that exactly?No one said split the thread until someone came in and said Xbox was more powerful based on informed speculation lmao
ReRAM is too expensive. It wont be ReRAM.
It will be what Chris 1515 and Gofreak talked about, which is already reaaally good.
I think we should just stop using anything from the old site. Not only for obvious reasons but this forum there is more or less unmoderated and even if there is someone vetted, it might not mean anything. A forum that generated cboat and where people who were mods there back then are now active on there again.Unverified new member of old site that's most likely a troll. But let's take his posts into consideration since he posted some nice sounding numbers.
Come on.
Might as well crosspost vfxveteran because he is vetted.
The amount of secrecy is normal, in fact, Sony going out and putting 2 articles on Wired a year before Playstation 5 was supposed to be released is unexpected. It's good to remember that the launch is still around 10+ months away. If they still keep it a secret around mid year, that's when it will be different.If it's the solution in their patent then that'll still be amazing, but I'm not quite sure if it's that amazing to warrant this amount of secrecy.
I'll continue to hold out hope for a reram megaton. Don't get me wrong, if there's no reram and they're using the setup in that patent I'll still be very pleased, I'm just craving that exotic special sauce feeling.
Memory is not the only thing that is secret. We know nothing specific as of yet from PS5, there are no hard numbers for anything right now.If it's the solution in their patent then that'll still be amazing, but I'm not quite sure if it's that amazing to warrant this amount of secrecy.
I'll continue to hold out hope for a reram megaton. Don't get me wrong, if there's no reram and they're using the setup in that patent I'll still be very pleased, I'm just craving that exotic special sauce feeling.
The amount of secrecy is normal, in fact, Sony going out and putting 2 articles on Wired a year before Playstation 5 was supposed to be released is unexpected. It's good to remember that the launch is still around 10+ months away. If they still keep it a secret around mid year, that's when it will be different.
Dont think of an SSD component to be the megaton, but the customisations they do with the SSD to be it, and the numbers it put out.
Memory is not the only thing that is secret. We know nothing specific as of yet from PS5, there are no hard numbers for anything right now.
To me the same goes to XSX, too.
memory for servers more likely. NAND makes more sense now.What struck me as interesting is that even Klee seems in the dark on this subject despite all the info he has access to. That leads me to think something is up on that front.
Very curious if ReRAM will be mentioned at CES at all if it's coming to market in 2020. Maybe a cache in their high end Alpha cameras?
I don't think he has access to it in that way. Didn't he say that he hasn't access to all the very specific data?What struck me as interesting is that even Klee seems in the dark on this subject despite all the info he has access to. That leads me to think something is up on that front.
I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but it was interesting to see:
What's been cleared up. I got a notification, haha!
Sorry, guess I missed it.
no worries, I'd be happy if it's the case, and would love to eat crow if it happened :)Yup, hoping the storage class memory can work, if Sony were willing to eat some of the cost to get this venture off the ground.
I don't know why they would be secretive about the memory, MS mentioned what they are using with the first Scarlet announcement, like what reason they wouldn't want people to know what they are using? Watch it be similar to MS after all this.What struck me as interesting is that even Klee seems in the dark on this subject despite all the info he has access to. That leads me to think something is up on that front.
Very curious if ReRAM will be mentioned at CES at all if it's coming to market in 2020. Maybe a cache in their high end Alpha cameras?
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SLC NAND is the most expensive NAND, this is three time the cost of TLC NAND and four times the cost of QLC NAND. A 1 Tb Reram would cost 400/500 dollars in retail and probablt 200/250 dollars cost to make not something you let in a console.
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I'm not sure you are been serious. BUT he is PR 'ing his product.
The actual spec for both consoles is not released, anyone can say anything to boost marketing.
We will get real picture at least after E3 to compare notes.
From post 4459:
It doesn't necessarily mean that at all. Phil's job is to sell Xbox's, and it's his job to say whatever makes his product look appealing without outright lying. The fact he never said XSX absolutely IS the performance leader could mean he just doesn't know for sure, or it could mean it's slower. No way to know until both are revealed.
Just woke up and had to read from page 104 to 115.
That was quite a ride. People really needs to chill out a bit
no one knows the numbers. Seriously. Show me where any insiders here talked about the numbers.One cannot take months-old rumored devkit specs from 'insiders' as final numbers and yet still push the theory that the head of Xbox is in the dark about the specs of his competitor's box.
So you both agree with me that specs aren't final and aren't widely known?
because this inconsistency is laughable.
One cannot take months-old rumored devkit specs from 'insiders' as final numbers and yet still push the theory that the head of Xbox is in the dark about the specs of his competitor's box.
no one knows the numbers. Seriously. Show me where any insiders here talked about the numbers.
Your assumption is based off of the notion that Phil knows exactly what PS5 has in it and is going to act accordingly. He doesn't. If he did, you think he wouldn't be shouting from the high heavens that the Series X is the strongest console in the world? It's because he doesn't know. All he can do is hype up his own product and let the chips fall.
And no, nobody is taking 'months-old rumored specs' as gospel. We are discussing them because that is what we have to go on. If anything changes, the discussion will reflect that. People really need to stop hyperventilating any time the discussion veers in one way or the other. Both consoles are going to be monsters, so why the hostility?
No one said split the thread until someone came in and said Xbox was more powerful based on informed speculation lmao
Let's keep this discussion honest, please. Feel free to point out ANYTHING in any of my posts in this thread that can be construed as 'hostility'.
For xbox one
At 3:17 you can clearly see drive as ST500LM012, if you look this drive up
With average of 85MB/s.
They could possibly be looking at minimum speed or something imposed by Microsoft internally though. But drive itself is over 2x faster than what DF states as throughput.
I could see where they reserve portion of hdd bandwidth for OS and other background tasks.
So if less than 50% of drive speed is available to games now, will that be the same case for next gen drives? And if so is 40x the speed available to games or 40x the speed of a drive inside?
why should I address the rest of the post? I only correct you in that particular paragraph because it was wrong. Don't think every reply is picking a fight with you.I misspoke about the 'numbers' bit. I should have said 'relative power levels'. Happy now?
Feel free to address the rest of the post. Do I need to reference where people claimed design specs were set in stone and are well known to lots of people in the industry?
Yes, thank you for this.""Our goal has always been to build the most powerful console we can, and I think we're there. We like leading in power and performance and I feel like we're going to be there again."
It depends, is footprint the problem in Japan or how large the console is in regard? It's something that's hard to say. Although while saying that, I also dont see PS5 being a tower (although I wish it does, because I love the Series X design a lot.)Sony will aim for lower price and most important, smaller box. I don't see PS5 in a tower like XSX. This won't sell in Japan at all. Even in the west, may be only hardcore gamers will buy XSX. Price predictions are 449 for PS5 and 499 for XSX.
It depends, is footprint the problem in Japan or how large the console is in regard? It's something that's hard to say. Although while saying that, I also dont see PS5 being a tower (although I wish it does, because I love the Series X design a lot.)
Also yeah, I'm expecting MS to fight to get Series X to be as powerful as possible. I wouldnt even be surprised if they ended up around the high end of 12 teraflops by launch.
Honestly I am wondering two things:
How they'll handle upgrades, if they are free, if they just release a PS5/XBSX version, if the HW does it from itself
and
How expandable storage will work, if at all.
lol I wasn't even framing that at you and speaking in generality, but looking back at your comments, yeah you do come across as a tad aggressive. We're all just discussing video game consoles here, having a conversation.
Yes, thank you for this.
As you can see plainly, he does not state that Xbox is more powerful than ps5. What he says inferrs that he does not know, or they may be close enough any power gap between them may be bridged.
If I tell you "I feel AMD will outsell Nvidia this quarter" it's night and day difference to the statement "AMD will outsell Nvidia this quarter" and has a much different meaning.
So again, misinformation unless we hear something concrete from a legit source.