For provoking existing and potential customers, and fans, with a snarky and condescending tone in a public blog post, that was absolutely unnecessary of them to resort to.
This is a gold rush right now, that won't last. Devs knows this.
Ooblets will be exclusive to Epic Games Store on PC
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For provoking existing and potential customers, and fans, with a snarky and condescending tone in a public blog post, that was absolutely unnecessary of them to resort to.
This is a gold rush right now, that won't last. Devs knows this.
Agreed, that is really annoying claiming that you're for the developers and then treating your workers like crap. They are helping smaller developers though, which places like rockstar aren't doing. So I don't think that doing no good is better than doing some good... if that makes sense.
kind of think of uber, we know its not sustainable, but we take advantage of it. devs are going the same way.
It's a joke.
A silly joke tweet.
Good lord, some of you have let your dislike of Epic turn you irrational.
It feels like an incredibly short-sighted strategy for these Devs, especially the ones approaching their eventual playerbase with the kind of attitude displayed in this blog post.
In other words, they're expecting to do business and make money off their work?
"Provoking"
Expressing your opinion and defending your decision is provocation now.
This probably couldn't be a worse comparison and it's insulting to the women who were literally stalked and harassed by GamerGate.
It sucks to see them feeling the hate train.
I am entertained.
I am entertained.
As opposed to when Bioshock Infinite came out and the dislike of Irrational turned epic.
If they wanted to get ahead of the issue then why didn't they just explain the legitimate reasons for their decision? How does the blog post or any of the things people are 'angry' even imply that's what they wanted to achieve?
How? I just said they both used a fallacy that bugs the shit out of me. That's all.
No where did I imply the devs are as bad.
There is no tangent, you were simply wrong. The original post pointed out that the issue and the cause of the backlash is the attitude of the blog post, and you tried to piggyback off that to say that it wouldn't have mattered, when that's not true. Here, have another example.
For someone who claims to decry all the EGS you sure love entering these threads to take potshots, huh.
Good for the developers. I am a fan of the post, but I can understand from a marketing/PR position how it is divisive.
I am surprised Epic has not created a game subscription service. That is the way the industry is heading. Between exclusive deals/free games/Fortnite content, I think they could present a competitive service.
I am surprised Epic has not created a game subscription service. That is the way the industry is heading. Between exclusive deals/free games/Fortnite content, I think they could present a competitive service.
It's almost like companies need to make money on the projects they have invested in so the families of the people involved can actually support themselves. Who knew?!?
One of them used that "fallacy" to excuse telling women to go kill themselves.
The other is talking about complaining about where you download a video game.
No, bad comparison.
Didn' you see the boxart? Chin down eyes up. The indignity of it! It was a time for moral outrage.
As someone who has been interested in the game ever since I played the demo version a few years back at E3, that blog post did turn me off quite a bit. I was leaning towards the XBONE version anyway, but I guess I'll just wait for it to come to game pass now.
Being snarky at customers never works in your favor unless you're a Japanese male dev on twitter, I swear. o.o
Being snarky at customers never works in your favor unless you're a Japanese male dev on twitter, I swear. o.o
Yep, so far it has been games I could just ignore but Ooblets has been at the top of my Steam wishlist for so long now.
If the game is good then I'll give the EGS a try I guess.
edit: After seeing how the developers are acting, maybe not.
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People actually loved Infinite when it came out, it wasn't until later when the Groupthink turned negative on it but that wouldn't have been as funny for my goof, so...
It's not always about what you as a single individual is losing.
For me the games are more expensive on EGS since I usually buy games through key sites that give me discounts, but it's a pretty minor difference. I can pay the usual way without issues and added costs. The store is bare bones but I buy exclusives on other stores than Steam and can live with that, even tho I definitely prefer Steam a lot for multiple reasons (especially Family Sharing!). I use many other stores/launchers and it's okay.
But for others it's not a minor thing. Lots of people can't buy any games since their payment solutions are not supported, and others have to pay extra for the transaction fees of their available payment solutions. Steam and other stores eat that cost and makes it so that these people can buy games. Steam supports all the operating systems, and Valve actually really puts money and time into improving the Linux platform. Regional pricing is all over the place and since the games are exclusive you will have to go by whatever it is in your region on EGS.
Epic have had a whole bunch of severe security issues and while that happens to everyone at some point their response to it has never been good. Their platform is also a much bigger target due to Fortnite and security needs to be of a way higher standard than it is due to it.
So it's not just about me, and not just about them removing my choice. It's about them making it literally impossible for some people to buy some games. And I care about that. Then we add to that the lies and general disingenuous language which you can find info about all over the place and we have something I cannot possibly support.
What you do is up to you, but maybe reading all this makes it less "baffling" that many don't want to support Epic's practices.
Then just be honest. No one rational would begrudge anyone being paid life-changing money for their work. There really wasn't a place for goofy here -- especially when their goofy reads like a veiled list of Epic provided bulletpoints. They have alienated people unnecessarily. It's bad business and there was no need for it.
If the dev learns something from this, I hope it's: "A little bit of humility goes a long way".
Why would they suddenly post a random joke tweet that has nothing to do with the game now when they haven't done so since as far as I could be bothered to scroll back to (beginning of December 2018)?
something something if you aren't seeing it you clearly aren't looking... ;-)
I suppose we'll see. Certainly hasn't hurt the visibility.
tbh I'll probably play it on Xbox if I do play it.
In that tone?
Yes!
Jesus christ, what kind of jobs do you people have, where it's deemed acceptable to talk to existing and potential customers in this tone?
In ancient times, game developers used to sell games for money to people who wanted to play them. Early scrolls say developers used this some of this money to buy commodities like food and energy drinks. Some of the remaining money would be used to fund future game projects.
I've read the blog post and their tweets multiple times and, nope, don't see it. Saying it's something different won't convince me, though since you probably think I'm part of the "group think," I'm clearly inherently wrong or something.
This news is really giving Ooblets some modest exposure, because I never followed nor heard of this game before and now its on my Radar.
Its a win-win situation for the developers, they got a bit of media and a bit of money from the EGS deal.
Now its just a matter of waiting to check if there will be costumers purchasing the game on EGS, especially since we now have a few video game library managers to maintain games across different launchers/storefronts.
Its a win-win situation for the developers, they got a bit of media and a bit of money from the EGS deal.
Now its just a matter of waiting to check if there will be costumers purchasing the game on EGS, especially since we now have a few video game library managers to maintain games across different launchers/storefronts.
I feel like raking them over the coals for ... mishandling a delicate PR nightmare or whatever just isn't reasonable. PR shouldn't even be their fuckin job. They don't need me givin em heck for it. They're doing fine imo. People are too sensitive.
I say this as a huge steam fanboy who should be deeply offended by all of their aspersions of my verminous kind. keep on truckin, ooblets devs.
Samey samey.
... Because they're in the news currently for a controversial reason.
It was a joke.
Stop with the conspiracy theories. It makes no sense.
You can criticize it as bad PR, but they're within their rights to write it however they wish. They aren't responsible or accountable because they pissed some people off. If you don't like it, don't buy their game.
They cant even add a shopping cart and they update everything manually and you want them to create a subscription system? 🤷♂️
They can write whatever the fuck they want, but when they do, own up to it.
What they did was throwing fuel on a flame on the internet. The response to it was so predictable, and earned.
And as potential customer, who really was interested in their game, I reserve my right to comment on their foolish actions, on a forum designed for discussions, thank you very much.
who's saying they can't write whatever they wish
Plenty of people are saying they don't like it and won't buy their game
that's what this whole thread is about
im glad it only took you 9 pages to figure it out
PR absolutely should be their job because they chose to make a product that demands PR and chose to do it themselves instead of shutting up and getting someone else to do it for them.
This idea that PR is some tertiary thing that doesn't matter is a fundamental misunderstanding of how business, especially public-facing businesses such as video games, work. It just reeks of snobbery in my eyes because you'd never see someone go "but coding shouldn't even be their fucking job!" or "but animation shouldn't even be their fucking job!" if a developer ballsed up their coding or animation.
So why isn't their Twitter filled with references to the countless other controversial news stories that have happened over the years? Why only now do they decide to be an "Ooblets + Current affairs" Twitter instead of an "Ooblets" Twitter?
Pointing out very basic diversion tactics ain't a conspiracy theory lol
Sorry, but accepting a bag of money while at the same time "stickin' it to the entitled gamers" that have been looking forward to their game, yet may not have gotten around to wishlisting it(which is pretty important for smaller devs) is arrogant as fuck. Honestly, this is a red flag that they aren't even confident in their own game, which doesn't surprise me since they've mostly been sharing gifs of characters dancing in place for the past year.
They've also been shopping around for new office space. If you're operating out of an office, PR is a basic company responsibility, really.
Sure, but what is the dev's survival when compared to the death of the Amazonian rain forest? They should be more concerned about that.
I don't blame them for going Epic Exclusive, but I probably won't purchase the game now. I've been following the development of this game pretty closely since it was announced but after this... yeah.
Also the tone of that dev update saying for me to not be upset at it and to be upset at other things, "moving the goal posts" or "there's always a bigger fish"... It's never a good look. I can be upset at more than one thing, and appropriately upset at things based on what they are. Maybe I'll put the money I was going to use to buy it towards MSF.
Also the tone of that dev update saying for me to not be upset at it and to be upset at other things, "moving the goal posts" or "there's always a bigger fish"... It's never a good look. I can be upset at more than one thing, and appropriately upset at things based on what they are. Maybe I'll put the money I was going to use to buy it towards MSF.
First things first, that thing about every any publicity is good publicity is not that true. So we will see what will happen.
Second thing is that you can't manage sh*t without all those other launchers installed. You can't install or update games without launching them in their original launchers, you can't see all achievements from launchers, you can't put all your friends on one list... You basically need to have 2 launchers running instead of one with only benefit of having list of your all games at one place.
I have never heard of OOblets before today, but they made a new fan with that blog post .
I will buy this game and dance with garden gnomes or whatever you do in OOblets, looks delightful
People should really learn to chill with their whole " They tageted Gamers. GAMERS" insecurity .
I will buy this game and dance with garden gnomes or whatever you do in OOblets, looks delightful
People should really learn to chill with their whole " They tageted Gamers. GAMERS" insecurity .
I think there is a difference between a pr disagreement and a dumpster fire insulting customers.
And customers are well within their right not to shop at that store/place. Developers are not entitled to dictate the wallets of their customers or where their "loyalty" lies.
Because they are in the news right now. So they are poking fun at it.
You sound crazy with this.
"I'll try calling them mentally ill! That's a good trick!"
If you're gonna make light of that shit because you don't have any further arguments then I'm not going to bother replying to you any longer.