You mean on Vega hardware ?
Since these test started years before and even now they don't have 100% BC.
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You mean on Vega hardware ?
Since these test started years before and even now they don't have 100% BC.
Excellent. Can you please let me know which insiders have said this?
With regards to the 15% gap. That may or may not be true, but it would also invalidate the concept of 9 vs 12tf.
So don't say it at all then 🤷♂️ You should know people are going to pester you with questions.
Please don't do this. People have already gotten in trouble for derailing.
I have enough mental toughness so it doesn't bother me.
How is it derailing when it pertains to the topic at hand. We are like headless chickens going around trying to figure out these specs and a person comes in and states that he knows it. It like entertainment for the person with the information watching people go back and forth like a ping pong
Name these insiders that say that PS5 will be 8 to 9 TF.
All i can remember is Al saying that and he was guessing not saying it as a fact since he said things can also change.
A few insiders said MS will be more powerful but they never gave a number or a percentage.
If I had legit info, I wouldn't say a word here. People don't listen anyway lol.
Even Jason, with a reputation like his, is hand waved so Github can run wild.
Even Jason, with a reputation like his, is hand waved so Github can run wild.
Dude from our perspective we'd rather get some info than no info.
What you've described is the issue with every insider ever. I don't have the answer for you, but it doesn't change anything anyway.
Got it. I've built like 4 PCs in my lifetime and the only thing I ever cared about was making sure my power supply had enough wattage to support my GPU and stuff. I never gave a shit about how hot it got. Slap a cheap fan on it and voila. :)
But you can't do it perfectly without a huge advantage over the original machine and cycle perfect emulation. This is the point where hardware BC makes sense if the modifications are minor.
Now I wonder how many times someone like Phil Spencer has posted here.
Why would Cerny describe a 13TF dev kit as "low speed" for a system targeting 9.2TF? I'm sorry, but there's no way that fits the facts. Either the final silicon is faster than anything available at the time for the dev kit, in which case the final system would be significantly faster rather than slower, or early silicon couldn't be made to run at speed and it wasn't Vega at all.
If you buy into the idea that Sony might not be using a stock AMD ray tracing solution but rather something custom instead, then it's no surprise that AMD's test suite doesn't recognize the chip as being able to run AMD's standard ray tracing tests. From their point of view it doesn't have ray tracing support at all, because it doesn't look like the normal feature set.
Dont want to brush your post aside just like that , but i think PS5 Exclusives will look better then everything alse we have here today even on super ultra high end PCs.
I hope that Sony relases a NextGen Colony Wars. Developed only for the PS5s Tflop target. It will look far better than Star Citizen. The Next Thing you will know if this comes true is that Star Citicen will go through an Engine Change once more. haha
You can't do that anyway with this chip if it isn't the final PS5 chip and it's running at 2.0GHz. Where's the cycle perfect emulation in that?
There are so many other, cheaper and faster ways to test backwards compatibility. Sony has better engineers than that. They don't need to tape in an entire chip as a backwards compatibility test vehicle. Nobody does. You guys are barking up the wrong tree.
Why would Sony have shat the bed if they give us at 9.5TF console?
Well you can't wait until the final chip to start testing it .
You have to start testing it on RDNA \ navi at some point in time .
Even more so if it part hardware and part software .
So true lol. We already know the consoles will be very similar, Or ps5 will be "slighy" stronger as Klee and Jason alluded to. Why people waste their times thinking otherwise boggles my mind.
Because you are complaining about insiders not giving you information you want. Do whatever you want though.
Just to clarify Jason didn't not allude to this, he just said they were close and over stadia
Yep, most of the insiders say they're close.
The ones saying PS5 had an edge, or was more powerful were Reiner, -that guy-, Klee.
Jason said he does not know who stronger just that they close.
Have to be careful in here because things get twisted and you want to make sure the right info out there.
Correct, I was bunching the two up. Jason said they are very close, and Klee and a few others in this thread have leaned on ps5 having the slight edge.
either way, we as gamers win. The console war stuff is obnoxious imo
Doesn't Microsoft get PlayStation dev kits for the Minecraft team? It just seems they are very confident for a reason.
So test it on a Radeon RDNA card and an 8 core AMD CPU. Done. I just saved your company 50 million dollars.
Recently Phil said their Minecraft team doesn't have kits.
Recent as in a few months ago. I'm suggesting that maybe changed.
They are likely holding off.
From what I understand, games are being developed and only a few people (engineers) at devs are actually working with dev kits to ensure compatibility.
I have a sense that the number of people who actually know the specs is far fewer than last time.
We haven't even seen a series x kit but we've seen the silicon.
I don't know if the costs of physical prototypes would be that high, given that the IP blocks used in the prototype could be the same (or at least very similar) to what ends up in the final silicon. There is also things like multi-project wafers which exist specifically to reduce the costs of prototyping.
I do not work in that area, though, so I don't have any profound knowledge about current SoC design and validation processes. Just relaying some keywords that I found.
They would still have to make a early version of a RDNA card any way .
When these test started there were none .
Also come on now 50 million is nothing to these companies if it under R&D .
oh because the interview I read was from July 3rd by PC Games Hardware where he was quoted "I do not have a PS5 development kit, I do not think our Minecraft team even has that."
My theory was that Sony didn't have anything substantial to work on otherwise, hence the "waiting for big Navi" part.
More "evidence" points to PS5 being on big Navi, and with the knowledge PS5 had dev kits out far longer than Xbox, and Xbox only started sending theirs out in mid November, that could point to Sony using currently available AMD tech back in early 2019 for dev purposes, while Xbox waited for big Navi to be available.
The Oberon chip wouldn't be just for BC, it would to get dev kits out early while Sony waits for AMD on big Navi.
AMD not being able to deliver the specs on the timeline Sony wanted is pretty believable to me.
AMD had RDNA cards available for their partners before they were available to consumers. Guaranteed. Why do you think a custom APU for Sony would beat AMDs own hardware to production? It wouldn't. If they really needed to test BC, hardware was available.
I assume you've worked in the chip industry to be saying that $50M is nothing to them? They care. They care even more about schedule.
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Out of everything I said, I am genuinely fascinated that this is what you've taken from it.
I don't think Sony have shit the bed if they deliver a 9.5tf console. What I'm saying is that the narrative around 36 CU at super high clocks because they have nowhere else to go - relies on the idea that Sony got caught with their pants down.
I don't need to work in the chip industry to know 50 million is nothing to Sony when it comes to R&D.
If you check they spend over 4 billion in R&D yearly over the last few years .
They need to test BC and have hardware out for devs kits .
Don't see why it hard to believe they did some test on dev kits until final hardware ready .
Yeah. Both Sony and MS know what they are doing. They both are following their game plan.
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I don't blame you for not speaking anymore. Too many impatient people or people trying to discredit you because you said something they didn't like. Hope you had a great holiday by the way.
I think ppl are having a hard time believing because the specs breaks every common console expectation. for multiple gens consoles are conservative boxes with decent specs. Then we hear that next gen consoles now have gpus that could as good as 2080, ssds and so on. People are having a hard time grasping it, because these are usually dream specs.
Same, man. Even worse, if you do reveal info, some people will get salty about it and start passive aggressive crusades on you because it doesn't fit their fantasies of technical superiority. I'd personally say nothing and watch these fanboys eat each other. I currently have people on Twitter wanting to burn me at a stake for reporting Senjutsu's post
You've done more than enough for us sir with regards to next gen news and excitement :)
On another note, could you have a word with any video game contacts you might have to make a new MDK game happen? :D
Unfortunately I think you might be letting a vocal minority get the best of you in this case. It appears that the vast majority of the thread are open to what you're saying, and very interested in how it all turns out. It's a small group of users who are actively seeking to discredit, spin or otherwise ignore you (and others).
In any case, I hope you continue to at least take part in the thread. If nothing else, you'll have some crow to serve if it pans out the way you say it will.
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