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Super Mario Mafia |OT| What Doesn't Kill You Makes You Smaller
- Thread starter Fanto
- Start date
I'm not sure I'd consider Fran to be the least likely to be voted out either though. I was scum reading him and had pushed that with a real vote. Meanwhile the only vote for you had been a prod vote, nobody voted Jman at all, and the two votes for me were Coolest being Coolest and Jman feigning a vote for reactions. I would agree he wasn't the MOST likely to be voted out either, but several people fit that description.
Sure, I think Coolest has some scum equity for his approach day one but I don't know that him "not being crazy enough" is the best measuring stick. Kingdom Hearts Mafia he was town, and yes he lied for a gambit but I don't think it started until D3 or something (maybe Brazil remembers).
Why specifically you? Why are you the one person that was under suspicion that he would decide you must be avoided at all costs?
If he doesn't want to align himself with you, and didn't want to vote Alexem why not just move his vote back to you?
Well, it's not like anyone else who players suspected were pushing leading wagons yesterday other than me.
My wagon was dying by the time he switched to Brazil. You had already mentioned you'd vote for Alexem if things didn't switch to someone else and if he had voted me again and you had voted for Alexem, it'd be 3-3. Brazil's wagon was picking up steam and was a good option for a counter wagon against Alexem's.
I had actually indicated I would go Brazil, so for all he knew his switch to Brazil makes it more likely he ends up on a supposed Town flip. Honestly while Launch is more of a town read for me it's possible he could be scum, but your reasoning feels a little self-centered and not as solid as I think you believe it to be tbh. I need to look back, but your point on him following along with easy options could be a thing but I don't think it would be likely to have anything to do with making a point to be diametrically opposed to you.
This size of game gets so quiet so fast, it's kind of lame.
I guess with that said, maybe we should pull an example of where he was scum and do the same kind of thing.
Not really related to Brazil, but I read over your Investigation. What do you think about what Natiko said, "not being wild enough" not being a super good indication of where Coolest is at? I'll be honest, I kind of agree with Natiko; expecting someone to act a certain way isn't necessarily indicative of anything. I think it's better to look at what the goal their trying to accomplish is - in Coolest's case this game, that's been very difficult to decipher.
I guess with that said, maybe we should pull an example of where he was scum and do the same kind of thing.
There's a way to speed up activity if you really want. It's pinging other players over thoughts and scum hunting
Pulling up someones past games to cross reference how they are now is kind of iffy to me. At that point, it leaves the confines of meta and becomes something else entirely.
Well, as for Coolest's intention, you only really have to ask whether it benefits town or scum.
I'm not really in the habit of pinging folks, but I did ping Brazil above and got nada. I'll do it more.
To your point, Coolest's actions from what I'm hearing never benefit town, only scum. I would say that all this confusion he causes only hurts us in hiding where scum could be. He's going to act that way regardless of alignment. If he's town, it's because he thinks playing normally isn't as fun; if he's scum, it's because he wants town to fail.
None of these are new thoughts obviously, people have expressed as much already. People talk about policy lynching, but it's like he might as well be playing for scum. So, I guess it's only a matter of time before we need to flip that rock over, really. In that respect, while it's not my preference, I would be ok voting to lynch him today. It would also further inform my read of Uzzy.
catching up on day, and agree with this post. I played erratically without a fuck day 1 because I either said we go big with town leader voice or with one of the quiet ones, and I'm upset shit went where it did, of course. I should of kept my vote on Uzzy, even knowing it wouldn't do anything or move it. Uzzy seems like inactiveish Scum player, Z-Beat seems like inactiveish town. Brazil is confusing cause he always go 100% town or scum, I know someone will in future go "BUT HE WENT TO WORK TO MAKE GRAPHS", but Brazil is long term y'all, and would make that shit to know how to better be scum...
Hm...I agree with this. And Launchpad already got heat from me but got out of it, which can save him from few days until I'm confirmed town or scum, even if subconsciously. I may of inadvertently let him play the long game with fake town leader roll with your logic.
...and...exactly what I was gonna say before continuing to play. He seems to playing a game with cards and pieces he shouldn't have for his role. I do think Uzzy is still scum though, guess I disagree there, though less heavy then I do Launchpad.
But as with everything mafia, they could kill him to misdirect and just cause he was out of sight. Is there anything of his posts that stand out to you as a trail to possibly follow?
To be fair, I had to leave for bit cause people would tell me I pissed them off and avoid playing with me cause of my playstyle. I mean, groot groot groot / groot groot / groot groot.
Also just saw Launchpad is going after Uzzy...
*takes notes and throws them into the trash bin*
Unless this is scum vs scum play so one can get out or a set up, I need to point more critical thought into this instead of gut feeling.
let's kill launchpad can he's being logical about why you should all kill me tho please and thanks
That's a weird as fuck thing to say about yourself.
Anyway, since you regret how D1 ended, what were your intentions moving votes?
Going for whoever was unactive, really. Moment to moment I had doubts and second guessing myself, I should of stuck to spinning a wheel and going with whoever I got.That's a weird as fuck thing to say about yourself.
Anyway, since you regret how D1 ended, what were your intentions moving votes?
Followed up by:
I mean, that's an impressive turn around in a whole hour and a half.
Going for inactive players would point the finger towards myself and Brazil, and to CoolestSpot's credit he did vote for both of us as well in that hour and a half. But he also voted for Naitko, without any explanation other than 'gut feeling', before ending up on Alexem who had made 28 posts and was at least to my eyes scum hunting.
I wish I had a townread
(Yeah, future people, don't skip this one)
but Jman and Launch are the ones that stick out to me if those votes matter at all. Both were frantically looking for somewhere to settle, moving votes multiple times before EoD, and they only settled when the vote ended up with two townies in the lead.
This will probably be worth more down the line as it relies on myself or Maol/Natiko flipping,
(Yeah, future people, don't skip this one)
but Jman and Launch are the ones that stick out to me if those votes matter at all. Both were frantically looking for somewhere to settle, moving votes multiple times before EoD, and they only settled when the vote ended up with two townies in the lead.
Come on, Vere, don't play coy. You've played with scum!Fand and seen him go the distance multiple times because he did exactly what you just described.
Literally the simplest graphs Excel can come up with
I've pointed that post out before, but the "after" is less interesting to me. Trust me when I say the erratic EoD is NAI for Coolest.
What's interesting is figuring out why Coolest thought both were town earlier, since he hadn't talked about Alexem nor about Maol prior to that.
I feel like that's the exception and not the rule because it requires a very specific thorough line to accomplish it. Has it been done with the max size of this scum team? That's madness.
me too. my first game I had like three or four people with strong town reads. this game I extreamly paranoid and trust absolutely nobody. every single one of you is scum read or slightly stronger scum read.
Fand did it in Death Stranding in a 3-man scum team. Gotta commit.
Jesus Fand.
Do you think there's some significance to Coolest feeling Alexem and Maol were town?
He'd given no indication that he was townreading them prior to or after that post, and we know at least Alexem was town. It sounded like scum distancing themselves from the lynch.
Your arguments are that I voted for Brazil, Maol, Coolest, and avoided voting for Alexem, and that somehow indicates I know something I shouldn't. How do either one of you know what alignment Brazil or Maol/Coolest is to be making that assertion? More to the point, Coolest, how do you know what role I have?
I'm throwing a flag down. This is some suspicious bullshit.
If CoolestSpot is scum, I don't think Uzzy would try to bus him like this. I think from what I've seen, scum!Uzzy would play a more careful game and just avoid engaging with scum!Coolest. Scum!Uzzy going after town!Coolest feels like as careful a push as you can make. I think Coolest is operating on borrowed time as it is.
I was referring to the followup when you said you'd be back with more thoughts.
I think this is a really good point, but I also don't think Coolest shared many legitimate thoughts about anyone, except maybe me early on. He seemed to be just switching votes on the fly without giving much reasoning.
I town read Maol earlier I thought, I directly said they seem like the stubborn townie that always gets killed cause no one can stand how stubborn they are
Well, I spent a bit of time looking through posts, but there's just not a whole lot to look back that adds value to the current discussions, on especially for Coolest. I figure I'll drop some reads for people to work off of if I end up getting lynched.
Slight Town
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Slight Scum
Slight Town
- Natiko - I think Natiko still has his head screwed on straight more than most. I've made the mistake of townreading scum too early before, but I figure there's always a chance to course correct. Natiko has had good conversation today, including with myself, and I think he's been able to see through what a lot of folks are saying pretty intelligently.
- Verelios - Still engaging in a lot of neutral questioning. Also, seems very collected, but not in a way that feels too calculated. I feel like I can trust him a bit.
- Jman - The more I see from Jman, the more I think he's legitimately trying to help. I don't necessarily agree with all his thoughts, but I think they're coming from a town voice. I trust him somewhat, as well. I would also take another look at Jman depending on how Uzzy flips, considering he also voted for Coolest hot out the gate this day phase.
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- Brazil - Now that I've gotten to see a bit more of where Brazil's head is at, I think I see where folks might say he's hard to read. That said, he's been putting in some legwork to scumhunt and that's worth commending. His posts today have been more valuable than yesterday. I don't know if I necessarily read him as town yet, though.
- Z-Beat - So I had Z-Beat in slight scum yesterday, but I think what I have in my notes about him tunneling on Alexem is a decidedly un-scum thing to do if you know someone is going to flip town. I don't get a whole lot else from his posts today, though, so he's still a null.
Slight Scum
- Uzzy - Some of this hasn't changed since my Day 1 read on Uzzy. Uzzy's responses so far have felt really calculated to me. That's not to say they don't make sense necessarily, but the way they are worded is very specific to try to make sure she doesn't say something that would bring suspicion on her. Since it's her first game here, I think that's pretty normal, but it's something I tend to look for when reading folks and she's stated she has some experience with the game, so it's not outside the realm of possibility that she very much knows what she's doing. Aside from that, coming out the gate with the intention of voting Coolest sits pretty suspiciously with me. I laid out my theory that scum killed Fran to validate his read that Maol/Coolest had not played any games together, and Jman's and Uzzy's votes fit with that narrative, but of the two, I have way more suspicions about Uzzy.
- CoolestSpot - Coolest is obviously very much hurting town with his behavior, that much hasn't changed. What has changed, though, is this insistence overnight on piggybacking on Maol's press for me based on no thoughts of his own. This is the second time Coolest has tried to push me, and I think it's highly suspicious the way he is going about it. The way he talks about me knowing things I shouldn't seems to be more reflective of his own knowledge of the game, including the alignment of other players (Brazil, Maol) and talking about what my own role is.
- Maolfunction - After yesterday, I felt satisfied enough to drop Maol to a null read from slight scum. However, with some of the stuff Coolest responded to above, it brought to light that Maol's press on me is based on knowledge he claims I have, but seems as though he actually has. Maol's whole reasoning for voting me did not make a whole lot of sense to begin with, but I think it's healthy for town to air it out and discuss it. That said, he did not seem to keen on wanting to discuss anything with me, even questions he asked me directly that I responded to, and insists that I know the alignments of everyone I voted and did not vote for - as if he already knows that they will all flip town for some reason. The thing that's holding me back a bit with Maol is that I don't think he expected Coolest to piggyback on that reasoning and make them both look really suspicious, so there's part of me that says Maol is just a townie trying too hard to make the reality fit his narrative.
Crap, I copied over my first read list format, but I meant to put Coolest and Uzzy in a "Scum" category and Maol in "Slight Scum".
How dare you call responsibility cowardness! I've just been slightly worried that I could vote and then two more people snipe and hammer the day away. Between Coolest and Uzzy I'm leaning towards voting Uzzy since Coolest has basically said he randomised his reads this game. I'm not going to cry about a coolest lunch though.
Vote:Uzzy
Give us some of your actual reads.
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==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start
Uzzy (3 votes)
Natiko - #586
LaunchpadMcQ - #628
Verelios - #685
CoolestSpot (2 votes)
jman1954goat - #573
Uzzy - #574
LaunchpadMcQ (1 votes)
Maolfunction - #594
Not voting: Z-Beat, CoolestSpot, Brazil
Post Counts:
Verelios: 31 LaunchpadMcQ: 23 Maolfunction: 23 Natiko: 23 Uzzy: 18 jman1954goat: 16 Z-Beat: 12 Brazil: 11 CoolestSpot: 8
Current Countdown:
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Day Start
Uzzy (3 votes)
Natiko - #586
LaunchpadMcQ - #628
Verelios - #685
CoolestSpot (2 votes)
jman1954goat - #573
Uzzy - #574
LaunchpadMcQ (1 votes)
Maolfunction - #594
Not voting: Z-Beat, CoolestSpot, Brazil
Post Counts:
Verelios: 31 LaunchpadMcQ: 23 Maolfunction: 23 Natiko: 23 Uzzy: 18 jman1954goat: 16 Z-Beat: 12 Brazil: 11 CoolestSpot: 8
Current Countdown:
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So Brazil and z-beat still have the lowest post counts and when they do post they puts in the minimal effort into scum reads I need much more out of the two of you.
Yesterday I was not on board the brazil vote at all but it's interesting that they don't seem to be getting any traction in discussion today at all.
are we so sure towns number 2 vote yesterday is clean?
VOTE:Brazil
Yesterday I was not on board the brazil vote at all but it's interesting that they don't seem to be getting any traction in discussion today at all.
are we so sure towns number 2 vote yesterday is clean?
VOTE:Brazil
What are your thoughts on what Brazil mentioned above?
You satisfied that CoolestSpot is just playing random?
No, I'm not satisfied which is why I wouldn't mind them going. They're going eventually with their contribution, but it doesn't say much when they purposefully sabotage us like this. Unless they're an IC, I don't see how anyone could like Coolest's play this game.
That's what Coolest does. My satisfaction never really factored into it lol
I'd be voting for Coolest now. Don't wanna put him in hammer range.
Ah, that was directed at Vere!
Just not satisfied enough to vote for him now. You say that 'you don't see how anyone could like Coolest's play in this game', but others are voting for me on the basis that I disliked Coolest's play. That's the wagon you want to get on?