I'm not sure I'd consider Fran to be the least likely to be voted out either though. I was scum reading him and had pushed that with a real vote. Meanwhile the only vote for you had been a prod vote, nobody voted Jman at all, and the two votes for me were Coolest being Coolest and Jman feigning a vote for reactions. I would agree he wasn't the MOST likely to be voted out either, but several people fit that description.least likely to be voted out along with the others I mentioned
Sure, I think Coolest has some scum equity for his approach day one but I don't know that him "not being crazy enough" is the best measuring stick. Kingdom Hearts Mafia he was town, and yes he lied for a gambit but I don't think it started until D3 or something (maybe Brazil remembers).Jman1954goat's Scooby-Doo Mafia Day 1 Investigation Summary
All right I spent my time last night looking through the 20 pages of Scooby-Doo mafia ( nov 20-23 2019) where coolest spot was a major player in day 1. after
observing coolestspot's Behavior and that of those around him i believe I have greater understanding of him as a player.
Here i what i learned
1- maolfunction was telling the truth about spectating scooby-Doo
Ok this was the easy one took like 2 seconds to see maolfunction was an active poster in the spectator thread. He no doubt defended Cool yesterday because he witnessed first hand the insanity that is coolestspot. Maolfunction defending Cool feels NAI at the moment.
2- Fanto used to go by a different name.
This has nothing at all to do with our game of mafia just an interesting "you learn something new everyday" fact for me.
3- Coolestspot never helps town win he is a player who prioritizes 'Fun" over actually trying to scum hunt in any meaningful way.
Alright this is the meat of the post first I am going to recap what happened in Scooby-Doo. Day 1 started like most day 1's go lots of meme's followed by some wild guesses coolestspot had a lot of post during this portion (mostly jokes not really helping much) and was a decently high poster.(something they clearly are not this game.)
A few people started to collect votes when suddenly toward the end of the day Fran died shot dead by a day vigilante. Coolestspot apologized for killing fran almost immediately (coolestspot did not kill fran.) Maybe this was bait to find out what really happened to Fran?(spoilers it was not) Then EzekelRAGE the real VIG owned up to the Bad shot Coolestspot then Doubled down for absolutely no reason he made up a convoluted Fake role claim that could not have benefited town at all. Cool said he used his abilty to kill Fran at the exact same time as Ezekel. Then said he was nuetral with a kill abilty further confusing town.
Coolestspot WAS VANILLA TOWN !!!!!!!! Also he claimed some crazy trap a player in a box ability in a normal game it was not even role madness.
Coolestspot got voted out that game for his crazy play but what stuck out was the response of others in the thread. Nobody was suprised this was coolestspots M.O. Turmoil7 did not believe there claim at all because this was just "Coolsestspot being Coolestspot." multiple town wanted to policy lynch because cool is a big distraction and never helps town at all.
Coolestspot actively hurts town with his play he seems like a selfish player that prioritizes His own personal fun with moves that clearly hurt town on purpose instead of helping his team win mafia.
4-Never policy lynch coolestspot.
Multiple people in that game made a mistake I now know not to make they knew coolestspot plays wild multiple people thought he was probably town playing like a madman as usual yet they could not help themselves and voted him to lunch anyway losing a member of town. To all future mafia players Don't go for the policy lunch no matter what shenanigans Coolest tries to pull.
Conclusion
Alright so you read my entire post discovered or have been reminded of Coolestspot's Unorthodox playstyle and have seen the reason why policy votes on coolestspot is not the smartest play. I know what your thinking but Jman why are you voting for him if you think Wild coolestspot is town? Easy because I don't recognize The coolestspot I read in Scooby-Doo or the Infamous Myth the Legend described to me by others with history with him.
Yes I am saying Cool is playing to mild this game he is being to safe. Yesterday barely registers on the antics coolestspot is capable of. A Few vote swaps without explanation stands out for the average player(which is were yesterday's suspicion came from.) But now I believe the opposite this is just coolestspot trying to seem unpredictable trying to act like himself but I don't buy it.
My vote was a test one coolest is Failing hard I would immediately remove my vote if I saw regular cool. where's the fake roleclaims? wheres the strong anti-town energy? why are you so calm this game?
Everything I read about coolest leads me to believe he is about having a fun time in mafia and this game has been very quiet so far. I just can't believe cool would not stir up some excitement himself by this point day 2 my biggest theory is he has scum chat to keep him entertained?
Well there you have it the results of the first official Jman1954goat investigation. Thoughts? ( I am going yo copyright Jman1954goat Investigation please do not steal.)
Why specifically you? Why are you the one person that was under suspicion that he would decide you must be avoided at all costs?His defense of Alexem came after it was already established that I looked suspicious by a number of players. He wouldn't want to touch that wagon regardless if it picked up steam or not, he doesn't want to align himself with me.
There's a bit more but it's super tenuous and depends mostly on Launch's flip.
That, "even if I'm wrong" bit. It's weird, this is Vere putting Launch on his town lean reads, but he's already posturing a defense of himself if someone else notices a contradiction in Launch's posts. Vere doesn't do this with any of his other reads, only Launch's. It stands out to me.
If he doesn't want to align himself with you, and didn't want to vote Alexem why not just move his vote back to you?But that's not true. Roughly six hours from EoD you still had me as your scummiest read and only backed down due to "trusting reads from other players." You never mentioned moving me down to a null read.
Well, it's not like anyone else who players suspected were pushing leading wagons yesterday other than me.Why specifically you? Why are you the one person that was under suspicion that he would decide you must be avoided at all costs?
My wagon was dying by the time he switched to Brazil. You had already mentioned you'd vote for Alexem if things didn't switch to someone else and if he had voted me again and you had voted for Alexem, it'd be 3-3. Brazil's wagon was picking up steam and was a good option for a counter wagon against Alexem's.he doesn't want to align himself with you, and didn't want to vote Alexem why not just move his vote back to you?
I had actually indicated I would go Brazil, so for all he knew his switch to Brazil makes it more likely he ends up on a supposed Town flip. Honestly while Launch is more of a town read for me it's possible he could be scum, but your reasoning feels a little self-centered and not as solid as I think you believe it to be tbh. I need to look back, but your point on him following along with easy options could be a thing but I don't think it would be likely to have anything to do with making a point to be diametrically opposed to you.Well, it's not like anyone else who players suspected were pushing leading wagons yesterday other than me.
My wagon was dying by the time he switched to Brazil. You had already mentioned you'd vote for Alexem if things didn't switch to someone else and if he had voted me again and you had voted for Alexem, it'd be 3-3. Brazil's wagon was picking up steam and was a good option for a counter wagon against Alexem's.
oh yeah he posted some graphs and dipped
Not really related to Brazil, but I read over your Investigation. What do you think about what Natiko said, "not being wild enough" not being a super good indication of where Coolest is at? I'll be honest, I kind of agree with Natiko; expecting someone to act a certain way isn't necessarily indicative of anything. I think it's better to look at what the goal their trying to accomplish is - in Coolest's case this game, that's been very difficult to decipher.
There's a way to speed up activity if you really want. It's pinging other players over thoughts and scum hunting
Pulling up someones past games to cross reference how they are now is kind of iffy to me. At that point, it leaves the confines of meta and becomes something else entirely.Not really related to Brazil, but I read over your Investigation. What do you think about what Natiko said, "not being wild enough" not being a super good indication of where Coolest is at? I'll be honest, I kind of agree with Natiko; expecting someone to act a certain way isn't necessarily indicative of anything. I think it's better to look at what the goal their trying to accomplish is - in Coolest's case this game, that's been very difficult to decipher.
I guess with that said, maybe we should pull an example of where he was scum and do the same kind of thing.
I'm not really in the habit of pinging folks, but I did ping Brazil above and got nada. I'll do it more.There's a way to speed up activity if you really want. It's pinging other players over thoughts and scum hunting
Pulling up someones past games to cross reference how they are now is kind of iffy to me. At that point, it leaves the confines of meta and becomes something else entirely.
Well, as for Coolest's intention, you only really have to ask whether it benefits town or scum.
catching up on day, and agree with this post. I played erratically without a fuck day 1 because I either said we go big with town leader voice or with one of the quiet ones, and I'm upset shit went where it did, of course. I should of kept my vote on Uzzy, even knowing it wouldn't do anything or move it. Uzzy seems like inactiveish Scum player, Z-Beat seems like inactiveish town. Brazil is confusing cause he always go 100% town or scum, I know someone will in future go "BUT HE WENT TO WORK TO MAKE GRAPHS", but Brazil is long term y'all, and would make that shit to know how to better be scum...Maolfunction Are you really going to wait on Coolest to show before you do anything today?
I'm not sure how I feel about the three players that are at the bottom of the activity pile. I think of the three I would lean town the most on Z-Beat, who at least is trying to push an original bit of thought and analysis, even if I don't agree with the conclusion. Uzzy and Brazil both seem content to go for the low hanging fruit in Coolest currently. I'll start with:
VOTE: Uzzy
You've been around this phase unlike Brazil who is only just showing up, but you really haven't said much and seem hesitant to take much of a stance. Even with your vote on Coolest you seem like you're prepping to back away from it as well. What other thoughts do you have? What specifically makes you more suspicious of Coolest than Maol, despite your vote sticking on Maol D1? You were around and opted not to switch then, and it's not like your vote was even on a leading wagon at the time.
Hm...I agree with this. And Launchpad already got heat from me but got out of it, which can save him from few days until I'm confirmed town or scum, even if subconsciously. I may of inadvertently let him play the long game with fake town leader roll with your logic.Alexem he was always against voting for. If he's scum, he gets good cred post flip for not lunching a townie. Coolest is actively anti-town, no one would question a Coolest vote at this point as an alignment tell. And I had about 4 players who were thinking I was scummy at various points in the day. Jman, Uzzy, Coolest and Launchpad. Out of those 4, it's very unlikely that Launchpad would get heat for his vote on me post flip when Uzzy and Coolest already have quite a few eyes on them for how they're playing.
...and...exactly what I was gonna say before continuing to play. He seems to playing a game with cards and pieces he shouldn't have for his role. I do think Uzzy is still scum though, guess I disagree there, though less heavy then I do Launchpad.I've not played with him before or read one of the games he has played in, so I couldn't tell you.
He seems to be playing this game with information he shouldn't have though, based on where his votes are going. He has a good excuse for each of his votes if they were to flip town. And he's not being pro-active now in D2. He's waiting to see what the general consensus is before committing to anything instead of pursuing his previous reads or telling us if his reads has significantly changed from yesterday.
But as with everything mafia, they could kill him to misdirect and just cause he was out of sight. Is there anything of his posts that stand out to you as a trail to possibly follow?Fran, Uzzy, and jman were all relatively safe in terms of votes and/or suspicion. I'm trying to figure out why choose Fran over the others. I think Fran wasn't making any waves in terms of being killed by town but may have nudged the scum hornet's nest somewhere when opting to investigate Brazil and questioning Coolest. I'm leaning towards the latter both due to my own personal bias and because on the surface it seems unlikely that scum would allow Brazil to get so high up in the votes, but there's always the chance that it was out of their hands. I need to re-examine the votes
To be fair, I had to leave for bit cause people would tell me I pissed them off and avoid playing with me cause of my playstyle. I mean, groot groot groot / groot groot / groot groot.re read my conclusion section I am voting coolest because they are not as wild as normal this game his post are actually tame for him
That's a weird as fuck thing to say about yourself.Hm...I agree with this. And Launchpad already got heat from me but got out of it, which can save him from few days until I'm confirmed town or scum, even if subconsciously.
How would your reads on Uzzy change?I'm not really in the habit of pinging folks, but I did ping Brazil above and got nada. I'll do it more.
To your point, Coolest's actions from what I'm hearing never benefit town, only scum. I would say that all this confusion he causes only hurts us in hiding where scum could be. He's going to act that way regardless of alignment. If he's town, it's because he thinks playing normally isn't as fun; if he's scum, it's because he wants town to fail.
None of these are new thoughts obviously, people have expressed as much already. People talk about policy lynching, but it's like he might as well be playing for scum. So, I guess it's only a matter of time before we need to flip that rock over, really. In that respect, while it's not my preference, I would be ok voting to lynch him today. It would also further inform my read of Uzzy.
Going for whoever was unactive, really. Moment to moment I had doubts and second guessing myself, I should of stuck to spinning a wheel and going with whoever I got.That's a weird as fuck thing to say about yourself.
Anyway, since you regret how D1 ended, what were your intentions moving votes?
Are we really between Alexem and Maol right now, cause I bet both are town and not alright with this
This will probably be worth more down the line as it relies on myself or Maol/Natiko flipping,What do you make of where those shifts came from? I spoke with Z-Beat about this a bit, but Jman pushed it to a 3-3 tie between Alexem and you, and he was also the originator of the Maol wagon and the reason mine briefly hit two votes. If you look at your wagon's formation instead as a counter push to Maol or myself, then why does Vere or Coolest go there instead of for Alexem if they're casting protection votes?
Come on, Vere, don't play coy. You've played with scum!Fand and seen him go the distance multiple times because he did exactly what you just described.Why would a bus vote be necessary so early in the day? In a game this small with 1 neutral already being shown, it's very generous to say there are three scum and pushing your partner over a long series of posts does not seem like a great idea.
Literally the simplest graphs Excel can come up withWaiting to hear more observations from Brazil after he posted those fancy graphs.
I've pointed that post out before, but the "after" is less interesting to me. Trust me when I say the erratic EoD is NAI for Coolest.Followed up by:
I mean, that's an impressive turn around in a whole hour and a half.
Going for inactive players would point the finger towards myself and Brazil, and to CoolestSpot's credit he did vote for both of us as well in that hour and a half. But he also voted for Naitko, without any explanation other than 'gut feeling', before ending up on Alexem who had made 28 posts and was at least to my eyes scum hunting.
I feel like that's the exception and not the rule because it requires a very specific thorough line to accomplish it. Has it been done with the max size of this scum team? That's madness.Come on, Vere, don't play coy. You've played with scum!Fand and seen him go the distance multiple times because he did exactly what you just described.
me too. my first game I had like three or four people with strong town reads. this game I extreamly paranoid and trust absolutely nobody. every single one of you is scum read or slightly stronger scum read.
Fand did it in Death Stranding in a 3-man scum team. Gotta commit.I feel like that's the exception and not the rule because it requires a very specific thorough line to accomplish it. Has it been done with the max size of this scum team? That's madness.
Jesus Fand.Fand did it in Death Stranding in a 3-man scum team. Gotta commit.
He'd given no indication that he was townreading them prior to or after that post, and we know at least Alexem was town. It sounded like scum distancing themselves from the lynch.Jesus Fand.
Do you think there's some significance to Coolest feeling Alexem and Maol were town?
He seems to be playing this game with information he shouldn't have though, based on where his votes are going. He has a good excuse for each of his votes if they were to flip town.
Your arguments are that I voted for Brazil, Maol, Coolest, and avoided voting for Alexem, and that somehow indicates I know something I shouldn't. How do either one of you know what alignment Brazil or Maol/Coolest is to be making that assertion? More to the point, Coolest, how do you know what role I have?...and...exactly what I was gonna say before continuing to play. He seems to playing a game with cards and pieces he shouldn't have for his role. I do think Uzzy is still scum though, guess I disagree there, though less heavy then I do Launchpad.
If CoolestSpot is scum, I don't think Uzzy would try to bus him like this. I think from what I've seen, scum!Uzzy would play a more careful game and just avoid engaging with scum!Coolest. Scum!Uzzy going after town!Coolest feels like as careful a push as you can make. I think Coolest is operating on borrowed time as it is.
I was referring to the followup when you said you'd be back with more thoughts.
I think this is a really good point, but I also don't think Coolest shared many legitimate thoughts about anyone, except maybe me early on. He seemed to be just switching votes on the fly without giving much reasoning.He'd given no indication that he was townreading them prior to or after that post, and we know at least Alexem was town. It sounded like scum distancing themselves from the lynch.
Crap, I copied over my first read list format, but I meant to put Coolest and Uzzy in a "Scum" category and Maol in "Slight Scum".
How dare you call responsibility cowardness! I've just been slightly worried that I could vote and then two more people snipe and hammer the day away. Between Coolest and Uzzy I'm leaning towards voting Uzzy since Coolest has basically said he randomised his reads this game. I'm not going to cry about a coolest lunch though.We have five hours left and nearly half the players haven't cast a vote at all today. There's a general malaise as well that's not helping. Brazil Verelios Z-Beat CoolestSpot Vote you cowards.
How dare you call responsibility cowardness! I've just been slightly worried that I could vote and then two more people snipe and hammer the day away. Between Coolest and Uzzy I'm leaning towards voting Uzzy since Coolest has basically said he randomised his reads this game. I'm not going to cry about a coolest lunch though.
Vote:Uzzy
Give us some of your actual reads.
He'd given no indication that he was townreading them prior to or after that post, and we know at least Alexem was town. It sounded like scum distancing themselves from the lynch.
No, I'm not satisfied which is why I wouldn't mind them going. They're going eventually with their contribution, but it doesn't say much when they purposefully sabotage us like this. Unless they're an IC, I don't see how anyone could like Coolest's play this game.What are your thoughts on what Brazil mentioned above?
You satisfied that CoolestSpot is just playing random?
That's what Coolest does. My satisfaction never really factored into it lol
I'd be voting for Coolest now. Don't wanna put him in hammer range.We have five hours left and nearly half the players haven't cast a vote at all today. There's a general malaise as well that's not helping. Brazil Verelios Z-Beat CoolestSpot Vote you cowards.
That's what Coolest does. My satisfaction never really factored into it lol
No, I'm not satisfied which is why I wouldn't mind them going. They're going eventually with their contribution, but it doesn't say much when they purposefully sabotage us like this. Unless they're an IC, I don't see how anyone could like Coolest's play this game.
Ah, my bad. I just saw that you quoted me and went from there.
Ah, my bad. I just saw that you quoted me and went from there.