I liked The Mountain Between Us. Pretty sure I heard Broson crying his eyes out when the ~romance~ blossomed.
You answered your own question but even Ant Man was very tied to the Avengers, Shield, had a frigging Hawk Eye Cameo and so forth. The whole reason that the Marvel Brand adds value is because the films are connected in a way that has never been done before. I feel like people are looking at the MCU now as 'normal' and turning a blind eye to how unprecedented this was at inception.
I liked The Mountain Between Us. Pretty sure I heard Broson crying his eyes out when the ~romance~ blossomed.
Damnit leave Nolan out of this, he is innocent!
Snyder was 5th in line.
Im arguing the opposite. I think what Marvel has done is unprecedented, and they deserve a ton of credit, I just don't think that's the only way to have success. Wonder Woman is proof of that.
It speaks to the point I made though, that you legitimately asked 'how is Ant Man connected to the MCU' when it's steeped in the MCU setting and history. MCU films gets contextualized to audiences as a part of the larger world, and are very interconnected even if a film is more stand alone.
TI obviously has boxoffice pullHow was Antman connected outside of the Marvel name (which, I think, does add a ton of value these days). Antman did well because it was a Marvel movie (and Marvel has built up that cache with audiences) that reviewed well, looked fun, and was marketed well. Not because it connected any dots in the overarching Marvel Universe continuity.
Wasn't this movie projected to have a $150-160M opening in the US just a week or two ago? $325+M opening worldwide?
The Tomatometer's influence over general audiences has become that powerful?
Wasn't this movie projected to have a $150-160M opening in the US just a week or two ago? $325+M opening worldwide?
The Tomatometer's influence over general audiences has become that powerful?
Wasn't this movie projected to have a $150-160M opening in the US just a week or two ago? $325+M opening worldwide?
The Tomatometer's influence over general audiences has become that powerful?
Went to see Orient Express instead of Justice League because my girl won't let me support these films anymore. Didn't regret it. Hope it's successful enough so he gets to do sequels.
It should be if Branagh wants to do more and with the tease at the end I would assume so. It's already at $110M world wide on a budget of $55M.
Also I was wondering if we might see a near 70% drop for Justice League next week. Given the meh to bad WoM and Coco opening next week it could get ugly.
JL may fail but I don't get the "because of Coco" narrative. Only knew about Coco because of this thread.
Im arguing the opposite. I think what Marvel has done is unprecedented, and they deserve a ton of credit, I just don't think that's the only way to have success. Wonder Woman is proof of that.
It's the only way to have a consistent success. Show me how DC or Fox or fucking anyone is going to get to 12 straight movies with 500$ mill worldwide outside of Feige's method. And the streak isn't over yet. By next year Marvel should hit 15 straight.
Its not just the Avengers 200 mill OW money these companies are looking for. They want that consistent "every single movie is a hit" money. And they can't get there because they don't have the right talent in charge.
Is it fair to say that "edgy"/generic superhero movies are officially burned out? Because I get the feeling that that's what's happening with JL.
Heres to hoping.Is it fair to say that "edgy"/generic superhero movies are officially burned out? Because I get the feeling that that's what's happening with JL.
I mean DC's going five for five with films that'll top 600 million at the box office.
It depends on the directors. If someone better than Snyder had been chosen to helm this thing, i dont think we'd be having this conversation.They won't get to 12. The brand is in the toilet outside of WW.
Going further, they have 0 movies that have hit a billion. Marvel has 4. And Marvel has two more over 800 million. And two more over 700 million.
Beyond Marvel, Disney runs Lucasfilm the same way. A strong producer in charge of a consistent vision. Boom. Huge success(with hiccups, I'll grant you, but it's working).
There's two unimpeachable examples of why you need a strong producer acting as showrunner for these universes. It's how you build the brand and maintain quality across the years.
Letting directors "do their thing" will get you inconsistent product. Some highs, a lot of lows, and no brand loyalty.
The conversation probably went something like:
"Chris should we hire Zack Snyder to head up the DC movie universe?"
"Yeah, sure, whatever"
I saw Orient Express too. Really good movie with ace cinematography and performances. Glad I saw it.Went to see Orient Express instead of Justice League because my girl won't let me support these films anymore. Didn't regret it. Hope it's successful enough so he gets to do sequels.
That's not what I would describe as "steeped" or "very interconnected" though. There isn't much actual continuity there. Ant Man could have been someone's first ever Marvel movie and they likely still would have enjoyed it, and a cameo here or a reference there isn't going to break that experience for them. Like I said, I think it does add some value and Marvel deserves credit for that, but it wasn't what made that movie a success.
- MCU references were used in marketing, pre-release material, and press tour
Ant Man could have been someone's first ever Marvel movie and they likely still would have enjoyed it, and a cameo here or a reference there isn't going to break that experience for them.
Like I said, I think it does add some value and Marvel deserves credit for that, but it wasn't what made that movie a success
I don't think Cavill would be replaced unless he leaves, just to save face. I do think he's on Hulk schedule now (JL movies and team ups and cameos) because I honestly don't think anyone at the studio has any faith or any IDEA of what another solo Superman movie would be about. Like, you already killed the dude and resurrected him.
Affleck is well...y'know.
I think most people went to see WW for other reasons than it being a part of the DCCU.Seems like WW success could not get people past the failures of Suicide Squad and BvS
I agree with the bolded. I think WB should just focus on Matt Reeves Batman, Wonder Woman 2, and Flashpoint (If they want to reset some choices and change actors like Batman)I don't think Cavill would be replaced unless he leaves, just to save face. I do think he's on Hulk schedule now (JL movies and team ups and cameos) because I honestly don't think anyone at the studio has any faith or any IDEA of what another solo Superman movie would be about. Like, you already killed the dude and resurrected him.
Affleck is well...y'know.
They won't get to 12. The brand is in the toilet outside of WW.
Going further, they have 0 movies that have hit a billion. Marvel has 4. And Marvel has two more over 800 million. And two more over 700 million.
Beyond Marvel, Disney runs Lucasfilm the same way. A strong producer in charge of a consistent vision. Boom. Huge success(with hiccups, I'll grant you, but it's working).
There's two unimpeachable examples of why you need a strong producer acting as showrunner for these universes. It's how you build the brand and maintain quality across the years.
Letting directors "do their thing" will get you inconsistent product. Some highs, a lot of lows, and no brand loyalty.
We'll almost certainly get an estimate late tonight. This story holds way too many clicks for Deadline and others to wait until official estimates.
Look at the length of this thread. We're going to hit close to or over 2k posts and this isn't even Justice League's weekend thread. The same thing applies to the rest of the internet right now.
They sould sell the Trinity to Valiant.Not only that but Marvel is able to do this with B and C tiers characters.
Which then make there other IP bigger and bigger .
DC has there top IP and things still going down .
Rth is reporting $32-33M for today's early Justice League estimate
The conversation probably went something like:
"Chris should we hire Zack Snyder to head up the DC movie universe?"
"Yeah, sure, whatever"