David Jaffe (creator of God of War) has a bone to pick with ResetEra.

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Oct 27, 2017
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Is there anything to suggest that having or promoting a white ethnostate will NOT lead to violence or persecution or i dont know, simply mistreating your fellow man as less than a human being?
The thing is, we don't even need to ask the question. They are already getting people to murder and abuse others. Republican President Trump, and a number of his allies, have explicitly called for violence. It has lead to murder multiple times already. The question has been answered.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The key is to ban all of them. Banning a few of them isn't enough.
You're asking us to believe that the mods are okay with some people here explicitly fetishizing underaged characters. I'm saying that's absurd. If you aren't lying and know that there are posters like that here then please contact one of the mods to sort this out.

Moreover, your problem has nothing to do with the thread at hand, which you've admitted. It seems like all you want here is for ERA to be nebuously "called out" for some slight.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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The thing is, we don't even need to ask the question. They are already getting people to murder and abuse others. Republican President Trump, and a number of his allies, have explicitly called for violence. It has lead to murder multiple times already. The question has been answered.
Yup. Nazis have literally murdered someone on American soil in the past year or so. Multiple shooters citing racist ideals before (and sometimes after) their horrible actions. They feel empowered due to the normalization of white supremacy.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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It's kinda off topic, but it's absolutely not transphobic to only be attracted to cis folk. Much like it's not cisphobic to only be attracted to trans folk. It's just human sexuality. No reason to not treat all people with respect though.
You can see my posts regarding Jaffe and how strongly I disagree with him on many of the afore-mentioned topics, but I have to chime in and agree with you here. These things could simply fall under preferences in dating. Hell, whilst I would date anyone of any race, I am definitely more attracted to certain races than others and therefore far more likely to date (and by virtue not date) someone of a particular race, ancestral origin or group (eg I have a preference towards South Asian, Latino and Black). I never dated enough people to have the desire or ability to try everything, instead I was selective about who I dated based on all manner of things, be it appearance, personality, eyes, body, temperament, political or religious views or whatever else.

Likewise I too would want to date a cis person, not just because I feel I couldn't provide the adequate support, relatability and understanding on transgender issues or psychological burdens that I feel a transgender partner would deserve, but also because I'm selfish and would eventually want to be able to have our own biological children without any of the other complications, hurdles, and all things related (emotionally and otherwise). Similarly I wouldn't date someone who didn't eventually want their own kids, weren't interested in marriage and so on either.
 
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Oct 27, 2017
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It can be seen that way but that's definitely not what I mean, coming out is awe inspiring and very brave. I am glad that I didn't have to do that because my orientation is accepted all over the world so kudos to all of the people who fight for that any person should be accepted whoever they are, more kudos to those who are opressed right now.

But it's still something I can't explain, like I found a woman who was very attractive when I looked at her but then she I saw one little small detail about her and that made me not attracted to her anymore. It's irrational that I felt that way, and in my head I knew that should not bother me but it did.

When it comes to affection you can't be rational however hard you try.
Dont worry I know you didn't mean anything by it.

The thing is that there's a difference between something physical that can turn you away from someone, however small, vs. something like the person having a Y chromosome. If two people are virtually identical, but one is cis and the other is trans, then there really shouldn't be anything to find fault with, apart from something society has made you judge as 'lesser' or what have you. It's definitely something that is complex to rationalise, but if the pure reason that someone is no longer a potential partner to you is because they're trans, then said person is probably transphobic to some degree. (Again this is accounting for pre/post operation and whether biological children are a desire (though even then I feel like these are things which people should be able to be okay with, but that's just me)).
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It can be seen that way but that's definitely not what I mean, coming out is awe inspiring and very brave. I am glad that I didn't have to do that because my orientation is accepted all over the world so kudos to all of the people who fight for that any person should be accepted whoever they are, more kudos to those who are opressed right now.

But it's still something I can't explain, like I found a woman who was very attractive when I looked at her but then she I saw one little small detail about her and that made me not attracted to her anymore. It's irrational that I felt that way, and in my head I knew that should not bother me but it did.

When it comes to affection you can't be rational however hard you try.
That's making a judgement based on physical appearance though. That's different from being attracted until finding out someone is trans, whereupon you immediately lose interest.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Give charlatans a platform! audiences are smart enough to identify and mock their bad ideas..

audience member in liberal hellhole of a forum stands: "I agree not wanting to date an entire race isn't racist"

They'll call 'em right on it!! you'll see!!
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The fuck is Alanah Pearce (Rooster Teeth) on about in that top reply?
I'm going to assume she is talking about how youtube algorithims constantly push hot takes and clickbait such as

"Blank is Garbage and here is why"

"SJW OWNED WITH FACTS AND LOGIC"

etc

Jaffe's videos could be seen as such
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Just to help people understand some of what's going on in the room, if someone talks about "culture" as why they won't date a particular race/phenotype, it means they may honestly not understand that there are [1] many different cultures associated with each "one" race, and more broadly [2] culture and appearance aren't necessarily linked. And if when making that claim about culture they keep repeatedly conflating it with appearance, that's another layer of (hopefully) confusion on their part, but that's getting a bit more obvious what it is.

They could just be legitimately racist, in the sense that they're so racist they exclude certain people from consideration in their lives. And to put an even finer point on it, racism also has to do with hatred/fear of different cultures.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Who the fuck cares what he thinks anymore? It's funny we're yucking it up about his comments but we're doing the same exact thing he says should happen - we're giving him a platform to spread his dumb shit. He's completely irrelevant in this space and has been for years. There's very little reason anyone in the gaming industry should be listening to a word this man has to say and I have no idea why anyone here would as well.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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If you wont date certain races, you're racist.

I really don't get why this concept is confusing. Actually I do, people dont want to confront their racism. Which is not really the rest of us' problem.

You wanna strut around saying that shit, you are gonna be called a racist, because you are.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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If you wont date certain races, you're racist.

I really don't get why this concept is confusing. Actually I do, people dont want to confront their racism. Which is not really the rest of us' problem.

You wanna strut around saying that shit, you are gonna be called a racist, because you are.
Ding ding ding
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I'm going to assume she is talking about how youtube algorithims constantly push hot takes and clickbait such as

"Blank is Garbage and here is why"

"SJW OWNED WITH FACTS AND LOGIC"

etc

Jaffe's videos could be seen as such
Yea, it's frustrating. I don't know if these types of videos are just really popular, or if YouTube execs or developers etc are complicit in this stuff, because it feels like no matter how often I swipe away "SJW owned" or "Feminist destroyed" type videos, they keep coming up in my recommended vids. Perhaps because I view so much video gaming content, YouTube algorithms link the two or something.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Yea, it's frustrating. I don't know if these types of videos are just really popular, or if YouTube execs or developers etc are complicit in this stuff, because it feels like no matter how often I swipe away "SJW owned" or "Feminist destroyed" type videos, they keep coming up in my recommended vids. Perhaps because I view so much video gaming content, YouTube algorithms link the two or something.
Literally the only way to stop it is to get the video blocker extension and block specific terms. As ven watching a retort to such videos will flood your recommendations with the latest angry youtuber talking about why sjws suck.
 
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Sep 12, 2018
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Didn't see if this was posted here yet.


He starts by saying he wouldn't date a transgender woman simply for the fact she was once a man biologically (no other reason). Then goes to say "If I don't want to date a black woman, I'm a racist? If I don't want to date an Irish woman I'm anti-Irish?" Completely missing the point that yes, if you don't want to date a black woman because she is black, you are racist. And if you don't want to date a transgender woman because she is transgender you are transphobic.
Jaffe knows full well what he's doing here:
 
Oct 27, 2017
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This is so wrong, I'm not interested in dating a black woman and some other cultures that I don't have a preference for, doesn't mean I'm racist towards any of those cultures. I have a thing for Asian women, but that comes down to my taste and has nothing to do with anything they do or don't do or me believing they ar e better than anyone else, nor am I Asian.

A preference to date someone is very personal, not wanting to date a transgender is VERY different from hanging out or being friends. Now if you don't want to be friends or deal with this person in any way, or you try to avoid, then I would say you're transphobic, I mean whats next? If I don't want to eat a burger it means I have a food disorder?
You're missing the point. If you're making love to someone you're attracted to who you believe just has a tan, and in the post-coitus cuddle she tells you about how hard it was to grow up black, and that information changes you're perception of her/your attraction to her, you're racist. The analogy to race is a tricky one, since race is a usually an immediately presenting classification. This is different than the discussion of you being attracted to someone based off their physical features.

You can say, "i've never been attracted to a black woman," but that's very different than the statement, "black women are unattractive". The former is steeped in your personal experience and attraction, which is fair game. Making a declarative statement about the overall attractiveness of a race like the latter, is different.

Edit: Please note that paragraph one and two, are talking about two different points of this topic.

holy shit what a loaded statement.
Lol yea, painting a very vivid picture of himself. Didn't really need all those details, fam.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Well this is obvious i would think....

they ARE not physically the same and to me that would matter since they cannot bear children (born man in this case)
That's a technicality which is why it's hard to pin down usually. I personally think adoption is just as good as biological children but to each their own. I was more talking about it outside of those technicalities.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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You're missing the point. If you're making love to someone you're attracted to who you believe just has a tan, and in the post-coitus cuddle she tells you about how hard it was to grow up black, and that information changes you're perception of her/your attraction to her, you're racist. The analogy to race is a tricky one, since race is a usually an immediately presenting classification. This is different than the discussion of you being attracted to someone based off their physical features.

You can say, "i've never been attracted to a black woman," but that's very different than the statement, "black women are unattractive". The former is steeped in your personal experience and attraction, which is fair game. Making a declarative statement about the overall attractiveness of a race like the latter, is different.

Edit: Please note that paragraph one and two, are talking about two different points of this topic.
Very good way to put it.
 

ADee

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That's making a judgement based on physical appearance though. That's different from being attracted until finding out someone is trans, whereupon you immediately lose interest.
If I love that person then I love that person. If finding out a person I've loved for a couple of weeks that that person used to be a man but has gone that full transformation then I would love that person even more I think for trusting in me and telling me that.

But that's me, I can understand someone who would be turned off for getting that news too. It's a shitty thing to happen because it shouldn't be that way because that person who once was a man is clearly a woman now. But it's still that person's right to lose interest in a trans because he/she can't decide whatever he/she feels attraction to. Being mad or stop all contacts with that person because she is a trans, that is despicable and it's what I define transphobic atleast.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Yea, it's frustrating. I don't know if these types of videos are just really popular, or if YouTube execs or developers etc are complicit in this stuff, because it feels like no matter how often I swipe away "SJW owned" or "Feminist destroyed" type videos, they keep coming up in my recommended vids. Perhaps because I view so much video gaming content, YouTube algorithms link the two or something.
The sad answer is that vile people push others away to a degree that they feel isolated and vulnerable, in spite of the cause being their own hostility toward others. That makes them look for connections wherever they can find them, and they want to hear a narrative for their reality that lionizes them and casts normal, positive social behavior as being irrational.

They want an explanation of why they're not invited to Thanksgiving anymore. They want to hear how the opposite sex is wrong for not being attracted to them. They want someone to tell them that their views about the inferiority of other races is based on "logic" and "science." But they don't want to be exposed to the counterpoints to any of these that you encounter in true discussion. Hence, this massive torrent of videos that speak to that very predictable but very real audience. The fact that there is so much overlap in the communities around these disparate areas shows it's not about any actual ideas, but about affirming those with aggressive, anti-social worldviews regardless of merit.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It's kinda off topic, but it's absolutely not transphobic to only be attracted to cis folk. Much like it's not cisphobic to only be attracted to trans folk. It's just human sexuality. No reason to not treat all people with respect though.
No, if you find out your partner is trans, then nothing has changed except how you see them in this case. That is absolutely transphobic.

It's a shitty thing to happen because it shouldn't be that way because that person who once was a man is clearly a woman now.
Work on this phrasing. That person was always a woman.

But it's still that person's right to lose interest in a trans because he/she can't decide whatever he/she feels attraction to.
No one is taking away their rights lol, they aren't going to jail for this. But it is absolutely shitty behavior and will be called out as such by people who identify as trans or as trans allies.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Give charlatans a platform! audiences are smart enough to identify and mock their bad ideas..

audience member in liberal hellhole of a forum stands: "I agree not wanting to date an entire race isn't racist"

They'll call 'em right on it!! you'll see!!
Pretty much my sentiment. Sadly people (including myself) are not very smart.
 
Sep 28, 2018
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Yeeesshhhh, Mr. Jaffe, I don't think calling your comments transphobic or racist holistically describes why your diatribe is so inappropriate. I believe this type of mindset is born of culturally instituted toxic masculinity. I genuinely believe that YOU believe you have all the best intentions for the underrepresented and victimized subsets of our culture. I believe that YOU believe you have an open mind and heart for these people. At best, your honesty is tactless, and at worst, you're an agent of oppression. I think that the truth is somewhere in between.

To address the best case scenario, quit digging your grave, shut up and apologize. To address the worst case scenario, fess up, pledge allegiance and gather support from some shitbag red pill edge lords. I hope that you find the former much more suitable.

An apology is necessary because your point of "if she had a penis before, I'm no longer interested" is an affirmation of devaluation of one's trans identity. It is wrong to devalue trans identity because a trans person is a person too and has every right to participate in their preferred gender's activities, soup to nuts (see what I did there?). Your comments contain the message "you're not a REAL girl, so I wouldn't be caught with you".

I hope you understand why this is a hurtful message. I appreciate that you've invited Era to have an open dialogue on your feelings on the matter. I know you probably can't help the way you feel, but the bottom line is that these people are your customers who have enjoyed your work and may even look up to you. Your word has meaning. I implore you to react with sensitivity, and let kindness and love drive the dialogue you wish to pursue.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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You're missing the point. If you're making love to someone you're attracted to who you believe just has a tan, and in the post-coitus cuddle she tells you about how hard it was to grow up black, and that information changes you're perception of her/your attraction to her, you're racist. The analogy to race is a tricky one, since race is a usually an immediately presenting classification. This is different than the discussion of you being attracted to someone based off their physical features.

You can say, "i've never been attracted to a black woman," but that's very different than the statement, "black women are unattractive". The former is steeped in your personal experience and attraction, which is fair game. Making a declarative statement about the overall attractiveness of a race like the latter, is different.

Edit: Please note that paragraph one and two, are talking about two different points of this topic.
Yea, I agree with this. Though not to open another can of worms, but I would be interested in knowing the kind of nurturing or upbringing someone would have had to have had, to have never found any person of X, Y or Z race attractive, over the span of their entire life. Ultimately "I've never been attracted to black women" could still just be a polite way for a racist to mask their racism without outright saying "black women are unattractive".

In that sense, even if one has preferences for certain races, it would still seem weird to me if they'd never been attracted to a person of a certain race in all their lives, especially today, in a time where because of social media, YouTube, the entertainment industry etc, there are prominent and popular examples of beauty promoted for all races, all around us.
 
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If I love that person then I love that person. If finding out a person I've loved for a couple of weeks that that person used to be a man but has gone that full transformation then I would love that person even more I think for trusting in me and telling me that.

But that's me, I can understand someone who would be turned off for getting that news too. It's a shitty thing to happen because it shouldn't be that way because that person who once was a man is clearly a woman now. But it's still that person's right to lose interest in a trans because he/she can't decide whatever he/she feels attraction to. Being mad or stop all contacts with that person because she is a trans, that is despicable and it's what I define transphobic atleast.
That's a pretty big secret to keep from someone. If you're Trans it's not right to date someone and not let them know. That's a huge breach in trust.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Ugh, how are we on this topic in here of all places. This is really how it breaks down for all of it. If you refuse to date an entire race because of their race, then yes, that is racist. It's okay to have preferences and find certain things attractive, but when you discount an entire race completely, you are making assumptions about physical features and personalities when every race can be extremely varied in how those are expressed. If you are fetishizing an entire race as well, then that is racist as well because you are still making those assumptions about physical features and personalities just in the opposite direction.

As for whether or not it's transphobic to not want to date someone who is trans, it really depends. If you have a certain preference for genitals, or you want kids, then no, I would say that it's not. If you feel that you want children, then I'm not sure why you feel the need to speak up and say you don't find trans people attractive though. Just say "I want to date women who can have children" and it won't come off in that same exclusionary way. It can get into a transphobic area in certain situations though. If you are out on a date with someone, and you find out that they're trans, and are immediately turned off and leave, then yeah, I would say that falls into that situation. You were attracted to them, and the fact that they're trans is what turned you away.

No one is going to force you to sleep with or date someone that you're not attracted to. The reason that people bring these things up is so that you can sit down and actually think about any prejudices or unfair bias that you might hold. It's a little easier to see with race honestly, but even then, we can't even get everyone on board to understand how that's racist. It is a little tiring just how often people feel the need to talk about how they don't want to date trans people. It's like the one topic that really brings out the most people who feel like they have something to say about us. People aren't going to learn and understand if we don't talk about it of course, but just try and keep in mind that people of other races and trans people are reading these things as you talk about them.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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This is so wrong, I'm not interested in dating a black woman and some other cultures that I don't have a preference for, doesn't mean I'm racist towards any of those cultures. I have a thing for Asian women, but that comes down to my taste and has nothing to do with anything they do or don't do or me believing they ar e better than anyone else, nor am I Asian.
In case people are wondering, this is indeed racist. "I'm not interested in all black women because they have a different culture than me."

Also "I have a thing for Asian women." Ick.
 

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You're missing the point. If you're making love to someone you're attracted to who you believe just has a tan, and in the post-coitus cuddle she tells you about how hard it was to grow up black, and that information changes you're perception of her/your attraction to her, you're racist. The analogy to race is a tricky one, since race is a usually an immediately presenting classification. This is different than the discussion of you being attracted to someone based off their physical features.

You can say, "i've never been attracted to a black woman," but that's very different than the statement, "black women are unattractive". The former is steeped in your personal experience and attraction, which is fair game. Making a declarative statement about the overall attractiveness of a race like the latter, is different.
Good comment and well-worded.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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That's a pretty big secret to keep from someone. If you're Trans it's not right to date someone and not let them know. That's a huge breach in trust.
No one is going to hide that forever, but some people do wait for a couple of dates just to get past that initial bias. There are a lot of people who are more accepting of something like that if they get to know you first. In that example, it was a couple of weeks, which really isn't that crazy since most people who are dating aren't that serious about each other at that point.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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If I love that person then I love that person. If finding out a person I've loved for a couple of weeks that that person used to be a man but has gone that full transformation then I would love that person even more I think for trusting in me and telling me that.

But that's me, I can understand someone who would be turned off for getting that news too. It's a shitty thing to happen because it shouldn't be that way because that person who once was a man is clearly a woman now. But it's still that person's right to lose interest in a trans because he/she can't decide whatever he/she feels attraction to. Being mad or stop all contacts with that person because she is a trans, that is despicable and it's what I define transphobic atleast.
Yeah it seems like people are making the issue more simple than what it is. A whole bunch of things come up not only about the question of children but also any relgious beliefs or taking this news to your family. While it is nice to believe that sometimes only pure emotion between two people matters, I have personally seen that it is alot messier than that.

Making a personal decision for a relationship is alot different than painting in broad strokes that is normally shown when groups are hated.

No one is going to hide that forever, but some people do wait for a couple of dates just to get past that initial bias. There are a lot of people who are more accepting of something like that if they get to know you first. In that example, it was a couple of weeks, which really isn't that crazy since most people who are dating aren't that serious about each other at that point.
I think that is a defining point for a persons character. How someone behaves after receiving news like that. I think the ability to put yourself in some else's shoes is the strongest way for people to become more understanding.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I think some people shouldn't be on social media. They don't make themselves nor the community they represent look favorable. Michael Richards (Kramer) destroyed his Legacy on Seinfeld, and in the process damaged the brand he helped create with his rants and use of the "N" word. Not saying Jaffe has done any of this, but he's walking a very fine line whenever he's on camera or makes statements; and his opinions are unfiltered (always has been I guess). Yet the current conditions of identity crucifixion of any celebrity/public figure (minus our f'n Cheeto faced president) make for a land mine ridden climate that sadly destroys careers and spreads like wildfire when these individuals misstep. Quit while your ahead good sir. Get back to making things, be content being a creator and ignore the noise of few and concentrate on the support of the silent many.
I am sorry but I find this post to be disturbing and naive. Are you saying that people with shitty beliefs and shitty ideas should keep it to themselves? What happens when people like Jaffe gets to a position of power over the"few?" This is where systemic oppression of minorities comes from. Internalizing racism and bigotry doesn't solve the issue. People who hold shitty views better come out so they could be dealt with accordingly. By that I mean preventing people from getting into position of power. I actually want everyone to voice how they feel. Some people could also change their minds too. Engaging with shitty beliefs is a good way to maybe one day influence someone to double check themselves. But this definitely has it's limit. I think it's ok to engage with Jaffe about his previous comments for example, but engaging with someone who belongs to a hate group is not the same thing. Hate group can't be engaged. The best way to deal with them is to de-platform them.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I'm so honored to have a video made about my dragging of a washed up game dev "celebrity".

But seriously, he needs to get tougher skin. No one bullied him, we just called him out on his dumbass logic. If you didn't want to be challenged then don't tweet out your viewpoints.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It’s cool these clowns got banned. Lmao at the Dennis posts. But I kinda wish Journey could explain his airtight logic on why he’s not racist and why fetishizing Asians isn’t either.

Oh well. Never change Era.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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These things are not conceptually hard. I've literally had this conversation with people.

"Not dating someone because of their race is racist"
"Well I'm not attracted to black women"
"Are you attracted to every white women then?"
"No"
"Well why not?"
"Well they dont all look the same"
"You think all black women look the same?"
". . . .Well there are certain features"
"There are certain features that exist in every black woman that you find undesireable but there are not features found in every white woman that make them all desireable to you? Do you know how fucking arbitrary and made up this all sounds?"
"Its just my preference"
"Its not even a real preference if it can't even pass basic logic tests. I'm not asking you hard questions. Do you not like dark skin?"
"No not that specifically?"
"Aight, what the fuck is the basis of you saying you dont like black women or any race in fact?"
". . . . Oh so I'm the bad guy now?"

Man shut the fuck up honestly. These people know the statement holds zero credibility on examination. But to admit their preferences are subject to racial bias is suddenly the hardest thing ever.
 
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