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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Warren's campaign woes are 100% her own doing, she is a good policy wonk but an awful campaigner
The poster before me literally proposed that Warren stay as a "progressive safety valve". I am not suggesting that as a reason to keep a poorly performing campaign afloat, if you read the sentences afterwards.
It is a super dumb thing to bet on, especially since it doesn't even guarantee netting the supporters you need.
Is there an interactive delegate map like this, but for the dem primary?
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Nah. If Bernie can stay in well after being mathematically eliminated, Warren can stay in until Super Tuesday. If she stays after ST, then her ego will be proven to be just as bad, but for now it's only fair that she continues if she wants.
Especially since she's still 3rd place in delegate count.
Warren staying in the race, unlike Bernie in 2016, serves no purpose. She has no agenda that Bernie isn't more left or progressive on, she has no signature issue that other candidates aren't already covering.
I'm not saying she should bet on it. I'm saying we as progressive voters should want that safety valve. What she should bet on is similar to what Klob bet on when she didn't get out of the race earlier. Bet on the fact that this is a long race, nothing is set in stone, and narratives and publicity can change fairly easily and quickly.
Trump is gonna get: Florida, North Carolina, Nebraska +, Arizona out of thoseIs there an interactive delegate map like this, but for the dem primary?
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I want to do a map but with the dem candidates,
Like bernie looks like he's winning now, but I'm guessing bernie won't do as well in more Conservative states?
What's happening right now is best case scenario for Bernie. His most formidable opponent, Biden, has collapsed, and the two moderates with no PoC support are splitting the moderate vote.
If Bernie wins the nom, Florida is guaranteed Trump
That's a different discussion which is interesting but I'm wondering that biden or buttigieg will win red states in the primary, like Texas, Georgia, alabama etc
This ignores the 50 billion dollar elephant in the room currently gaining Latino/black support.
It's better for Trump, because a lot of Yang's alt-right/4Chan followers will move over to him.
I thought they only ironically followed him? Like, as a meme.
Gotta look past the next month toward November, friend mescaline.
Scary socialism could be a big thing so he isn't flipping any die hard Republican states, but swing states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are in play and possible. No one in this race is realistically going to run up the score and flip a ton of Republican states anyway. It's all about the margins with presidential elections.
If I outlive the WSJ, I'm throwing a party and you're invited.
Bloomberg is not just 'a compromise', he's a line that shouldn't be crossed.
I'm not a minority so I can't really assess or judge that.
Literally every single candidate in the Democratic Primary is better on minority issues than Bloomberg, who is a racist monster. There's no compromise to be made here.
I am a minority. I am unsure how Bloomberg is better than Trump. He's less of an idiot, but he's racist so that's *not* good for me.
The compromise isn't on that question though, it's on the question of who can beat Trump, who is more of a racist monster than even Bloomberg.
Again, I don't personally disagree with you. Bloomberg's a red line for me, but I'm a white guy. I cannot in good faith judge or assess the compromise a PoC has to make with their vote.
That's a wrong assumption to make if you look at any national GE polls - Trump loses to Biden and Sanders consistently in those and they're much better than Bloomberg.
Bloomberg at the very least would have a Dem VP who would tiebreak in our favor. And if he's legitimately popular would help with down ticket voting.
But I don't think I'd hold it against anyone just abstaining from voting for president in that case. As long as they show up for the House/Senate.
But I don't think I'd hold it against anyone just abstaining from voting for president in that case. As long as they show up for the House/Senate.
Well I was hoping Bernie would do a couple points better but things mostly went as expected (other than Klobuchar) and it's still hard to know much about the future of the primary until we see voting in more diverse states. Bernie has an advantage now and the fact that the moderates are so split is definitely helping him.
I feel like the stressful likelihood for Sanders fans at this point is a moderate (or even Warren) dropping out before Super Tuesday. These last two races have been so close. If anyone drops out and that base lines up behind anyone but Sanders, he isn't going to keep winning.
Warren's team put out a post yesterday on Medium more or less implying they would be in until after Super Tuesday.
Seems we're still missing around 10% of the votes. Nothing will change but curious what the final % will be.
This isn't accurate. She's more progressive than Bernie on guns, and she is the candidate going hardest against corruption.
if that's the case then she should use the clout she has to make other candidates adopt those stances. I know I'd welcome that.
In order to win the general election - to kick Trump out - we absolutely have to carry every state Hillary won plus flip the rust belt states. A more progressive stand on guns would go over like a lead balloon there, Trump would win, so it's not worth the risk. This is also what makes Bloomberg a ptoblem, the Midwest would never vote for him, he needs to fuck off.
Yeah, it doesn't help.
I voted Bernie enthusiastically in 2016 and I'll do so again this year (because my primary isn't until May and Warren will be out by then), but Warren was my first choice this time. The two main factors were age/health concerns, and Bernie stupidly supporting the filibuster and electoral college (both of which kneecap progressive priorities in the long term).
However, the way Bernie supporters got so fucking vicious and turned the knives out on Warren, by all accounts their closest ideological ally, over stupid bullshit just as she was rising left a very bad taste in my mouth. Hope your all happy now that Pete, Amy, and fucking Bloomberg are the other possibilities.
That's not to say I let online dipshits affect my vote. I still like Bernie and he's closest to my ideals so I'll probably even volunteer again for him. But that level of hostility to who should be your future allies does not help.
Also, while I'm glad Bernie is winning for now, his margins are not high enough. If Pete, Amy, and Bloom consolidate support in time, that's big trouble for Bernie.
I still maintain that Warren would be cruising to the nomination as the clear frontrunner right now if Bernie had dropped out and endorsed her after he had a heart attack at 79 years old. His decision to stay in after that really lowered my opinion of him. Assuming he doesn't drop dead as an October surprise this year, he'd only serve one term, and voluntarily surrendering incumbency advantage for 2024 is fucking dumb.
Yeah, I really don't get people thinking Bloomberg is electable. The billionaire New Yorker only really known for banning guns and Big Gulps is not going to fucking play in the Rust Belt. I've lived in this region my whole life.
Edit: and yeah, I don't think I could vote for Bloomberg. I'd vote downballot, but probably just write in Warren or Sanders for president.
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