I agree I wrote that incorrectly. I did not mean that you have to bear that behavior for playing those games, but that people who play those games see violence as fun and that is weird to me.
FFXIV might not have inclusivity or abuse issues specifically like the stuff in the OP but it's full of different types of toxicity if you play at the higher end of content like every MMO.
Ugh. You're right. The promise is that the other person can't hide but you're right it would stop nothing.I'd rather no have people who have no problem making sexist comments be able to know my real name and find me thanks. Facebook plugin comment sections should tell you that anonymity means nothing.
But at least text chat is something that can more easily be moderated.
Ugh. You're right. The promise is that the other person can't hide but you're right it would stop nothing.
So is moderation the only answer?
Anne's good people and actually super good at Siege and OW. I have occasionally tuned into her streams but whenever some dickwad started calling out to her sex in voice chat it would cause me to become so uncomfortable that even I as a passive viewer would have a hard time continuing to watch. I can't imagine dealing with that every time I went on the internet. She's way more thick skinned than I am to make it her livelihood.
I am speaking from my 10yrs experiences.
Maybe yours is different.
But WoW/FF14 when I was in a guild, no one would treat people like that.
You would get instantly kicked out or never be invited to the raid.
Ironically, most big guilds have a Code of Conducts for this type of stuff.
MMO is more progressive than whatever "happening" around the online gaming community.
Anne's good people and actually super good at Siege and OW. I have occasionally tuned into her streams but whenever some dickwad started calling out to her sex in voice chat it would cause me to become so uncomfortable that even I as a passive viewer would have a hard time continuing to watch. I can't imagine dealing with that every time I went on the internet. She's way more thick skinned than I am to make it her livelihood.
It's true.
Because this experience she had in this one game session mirrors the experience women have gaming online every day. Hell, many women receive much worse abuse than this. It's worth discussing because more visibility and awareness of this issue increases the likelihood change will come about.How is that missing the point? The point is all anyone has to do is start speaking up at the right time. Yes in the video of there wasn't anything she could have done in her own, but why does this conversation need to be about only one experience in one video, why do so many of you need to argue with the fact that ppl need to do more, do you like to just argue?
Lol, I'm literally acknowledging the issue and telling you and all the others including myself need to be active in stepping in. How is that hard for you to understand? U keep arguing likes "its fucking hopeless, there is no point because there is just to many of them whaaaa!"
it's almost like generalizing makes people you are generalizing about unhappy..go figureIt's true.
And it's almost comical how offended gamers get when people say this.
I've heard stories, but I feel like it's inclusive because you have to depend on a large number of characters to get anything meaningful done. You need to be able to communicate and follow orders.
it's almost like generalizing makes people you are generalizing about unhappy..go figure
While true, you'd be surprised how little that sort of moderation does. Like, WoW has pretty heavy moderation on text chat and it's still all just gold farming and epithets all the time.
You wanna play online with voice? Friends or Community discord. That's it.
Rando voice chat in video games: Not even once.
Moderation done by people who have something to gain from moderating. So a paid entity who's job it is to sift through complaints and verify behavior. Basically a firm would have to be created. Anyone who does this will make bank.
But publishers will never pay for something like this. Because they know they don't need to.
It is, 100%, but the core concept is there; Moderation, as it stands now, will be completely ineffective. They could strip out VC tomorrow and these people would still find ways to be shitty, they'd just have less outward information about the people playing to use as ammunition.I think public text chat is different from public voice chat though. For text chat there is at least some effort to read the message. For voice chat you hear other people without any effort on your part.
in guilds sure, at the end a guild it's a team and you need to be cool with everyone to get your loot and stuff, but try talking to people outside your guild...
It's more or less the same as jumping on an FPS and then talking with private chat with your friends teammates.
it's almost like generalizing makes people you are generalizing about unhappy..go figure
"Don't feed the trolls" aka "hide and bury your own identity to make gamerz feel more comfy while playing their game"
On top of which, it's much easier to blame your bad performance on other people in an action setting when it comes to shooters.Not really.
MMO actually has a goal.
So when you do cross realm raiding, nobody got the time to listen to toxic players.
You are there with them for the next 2-3hrs.
FPS has no goal.
Die/respawn/new game.
And so, a lot of these young people would say random crap since they will be in a match afterward.
You can tell how big a gap in behavior between these two playerbases.
One actually has time commitment so you need to act like a normal human being...the other? Say vulgar stuff, match make a new game, say more vulgar stuff.
if it's not all gamers why the hell would you use the term "gamers" then...that's what i don't understandAnd it's almost like we don't have this same conversation once every 3 months with 0 changes. Fancy that.
I'm done with the "not all gamers" bullshit. Gamers have an image problem and I do not understand why people choose to ignore it. "But it's not me!" GOOD! Then you're fine.
BS problem is solved
This one still blows me away. I can't believe people are this awful.
if it's not all gamers why the hell would you use the term "gamers" then...that's what i don't understand
if you yourself understand that them being gamers is not the reason why they are assholes, why would you say that gamers have a problem?
i understand that generalization is how the human mind deals with big numbers, but it's not gonna help your cause
but again,since this argument is not newfor you, just continue doing what you were doing.
If it's so upsetting for them maybe they should...
ignore and.... not feed the dissenters lol
Because this experience she had in this one game session mirrors the experience women have gaming online every day. Hell, many women receive much worse abuse than this. It's worth discussing because more visibility and awareness of this issue increases the likelihood change will come about.
Uh huh. Which is at all relevant to the matter at hand because... ?
While I agree more needs to be done in the way of moderation, what you're proposing is a top-down solution, which is never going to fix this problem. The change has to come from within the community.It's fucking shameful behavior from those knuckle-draggers. I don't play online MP so I have no idea how these things are reported, moderated etc. but it does seem like publishers need to do more. People are responsible for their own actions so you can't blame publishers for that but they do have a responsibility to everyone playing their games to provide an environment free of harassment and abuse, especially if they are being paid by those playing. In these days of streaming and easy recording of gameplay, is it not enough to provide video evidence to at least initiate an investigation? Is there not a "silent alarm" button that can be pressed during gameplay to alert moderators if someone feels they are under duress which is invisible to other players, but ether brings in an invisible moderator or automatically reports the game and saves footage and game data from thereon for the game to be assessed? If not there should be.
That and
Ah, I see, you are making the assumption that the man you are asking to take the abuse hasn't experienced enough of it in his life, emotionally or physically, that they should check their privilege and suck it up.I'm assuming this is sarcasm (hard to tell, as there are actually a lot of men that actually think like this), but that's not what I'm saying at all. If someone is shat upon 24/7, and you can give them a respite from that for a few minutes, I don't think it's asking too much to show some empathy and do it. It doesn't matter if they're a woman, or black, or gay, or transgender, or any other similarly stupid reason why people shit on them; they have to deal with that every day, so I'm sure it won't kill you, as a member of the single most privileged group on the face of the Earth, to stand together with them against that abuse for a few minutes. There's nothing heroic or extraordinary aboit extending a hand to those in a far worse situation than you; it's simple, basic human decency.
Empathetically, this is not about "us men can take it". I have the firm conviction that if men magically and suddenly started to have to deal with what women do everyday, they would break far sooner than them.
Absolute lol at the "This happens to everyone!" comments, didn't even make it to second page before that started rolling in.
Are there any social MMO games where people communicate without the toxicity? I mean, you can't avoid the occasional asshole, but are there games with a very relaxed player base?