i am saying he specifically told people who expected a GPU with less than 10TF to increase their expectations.
and to be frank, matt is more trustworthy than any random reddit rumor.
Where and when did Matt say this?!?
i am saying he specifically told people who expected a GPU with less than 10TF to increase their expectations.
and to be frank, matt is more trustworthy than any random reddit rumor.
i am saying he specifically told people who expected a GPU with less than 10TF to increase their expectations.
and to be frank, matt is more trustworthy than any random reddit rumor.
it was some time ago, he told people who wanted 15TF to lower their expectation and people who expected 10TF to increase it. sadly he is not saying anything about the PS5 anymore.
i am saying he specifically told people who expected a GPU with less than 10TF to increase their expectations.
and to be frank, matt is more trustworthy than any random reddit rumor.
it was some time ago, he told people who wanted 15TF to lower their expectation and people who expected 10TF to increase it. sadly he is not saying anything about the PS5 anymore.
of course the specific number could have been changed but from how he talked about it it sounded to me like the target was around 12 teraflops back then, and i really doubt they took it all the way down to 8 TF.
he never said these numbers, he replied to people who mentioned these numbers. i am trying to find that now.I am pretty sure Matt never said anything about TF range for next gen... BitsandBytes right?
he never said these numbers, he replied to people who mentioned these numbers. i am trying to find that now.
i am looking it up now, it is most likely from the old forum as he only had one post in the first next gen thread.Is it Matt on era or neogaf, I would like to read through where he said what you remember him saying. Thanks.
he never said these numbers, he replied to people who mentioned these numbers. i am trying to find that now.
EDIT: i am pretty sure it was in the old forum, not this one.
Architectural improvements affecting real world performance/TF or not.... I am still not convinced how or why either MS or Sony would not be able to release a console with at least twice the Xbox One X's raw power about 3 years later.
Even the PS4 Pro managed to more than double the performance of the base PS4 in the same time frame.[/QUOTE]
The X cost 500$ and they gave out the same cpu, same hard drive, with modest ram improvements. The pro saw improvements to gpu alone. So no the pro isn't twice as powerful as the base.
The build cost of these consoles arnt coming down as rapidly as last gen. We are in 2019 and the X still retails at 499$. There is a reason for that(still costs 400$+ to build).
Your expecting the gpu performance to double from the X. Sounds good at first glance. But the reality of the situation is that the X got its "beast" nickname because they realeased an extremely unbalanced system that favored the gpu.if they would have put zen in the box the gpu would have needed to be 4-5tf to release at 500$.
well i am clearly not the only one who remembers that gundamkyoukai above say they remember the same thing.In the old forum he hinted about BC for PS5,as well as memory but never about TFs...i'm sure i would remember that.
On Era he hinted at 2019 launch,that's why we talked so much about it.Last time he said anything about next gen was in previous thread in September 2018 that he can't promise 2019 launch and that things might change.
That's it.
i am looking it up now, it is most likely from the old forum as he only had one post in the first next gen thread.
No. It's the day people don't follow the entire conversation and make assumptions about what people are talking about.
People are talking about a system diagram that someone on B3D created. That said, it is not any more legitimate than any other poster's informed speculation. They just made theirs into a pretty picture.
Potentially a proper architectural shift + things like this will make a simple 'TF vs TV' difficult. So possibly 'only 8' could be plenty
Architectural improvements affecting real world performance/TF or not.... I am still not convinced how or why either MS or Sony would not be able to release a console with at least twice the Xbox One X's raw power about 3 years later.
Even the PS4 Pro managed to more than double the performance of the base PS4 in the same time frame.
About the Radeon VII, I've seen some theorizing that, seeing that they have a huge variance in stock voltages, UV and OC performance, that we might be looking at a product that's based on binned MI50 chips - i.e. stuff that didn't hit the specs, bottom of the barrel chips. So things might look worse than they are.
another important post i found this is a random user:I found this
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foxbeldin said:
Yeah 8TF 3 years after the X would be quite underwhelming. Hoping for 10-12 but i guess Matt will shut me down on that?
Matt:
Why would I? Thats a much more reasonable range
https://www./threads/pachter-on-ps5...-to-become-default-ps4.1435722/post-249545313
matt's answer:Too soon , it'd only be on par with a Scorpio next year. 2019 though ? 8TF with a new CPU and 16 GB of ram should be more than do-able at 400 USD.
disclaimer that this post was made in 2017, so he expected back then that even in 2018 the PS5 would be stronger than 8TF, based on the post he answered it is obvious the meaning was the GPU jump.Well, that's not true. A PS5 next year would be a bigger jump than Pro to Scorpio.
Actually.The irony of this post is that if you were following the discussion on that B3D diagram, M3rcy, you'd have seen how people acknowledged it was a joke post..... unless you think "Cake" will be an integral part of the PS5's system architecture? lol
another important post i found this is a random user:
matt's answer:
disclaimer that this post was made in 2017, so he expected back then that even in 2018 the PS5 would be stronger than 8TF, based on the post he answered it is obvious the meaning was the GPU jump.
after what happened to the old server i am pretty sure all user data (description, avatar etc.) was erased, i am pretty sure he was a mod back then as well.So was Matt a dev? It just says he's a normal member on neogaf.
that is why i really trust him to be honest, a lot of insider are trying to always tease stuff and end up being wrong because they post everything they hear but matt is a lot more careful about what he says.Everything Matt hinted pointed to 10-12TF. It is why I have stuck to that from 2017 and never wavered.
Matt just keeps a low profile and doesn't get caught up with flashy "verified" tags and just gets straight to the point. It does mean many don't know who he is and how long he's been around which leads to him being questioned (like who is this guy and why should I believe him).
Yeah, I'm fairly sure he had a tag back then, we're actually pretty lucky his post survived at all.after what happened to the old server i am pretty sure all user data (description, avatar etc.) was erased, i am pretty sure he was a mod back then as well.
People are talking about ShamePain again, as evidenced by the NeoGAF link posted not far from my own post.
The most recent discussion prior to your post was about the diagram, but yeah the thread moves pretty fast and I shouldn't have made that assumption. Sorry about that.
I agree PS5 will be around 10-12 TF range.Everything Matt hinted pointed to 10-12TF. It is why I have stuck to that from 2017 and never wavered.
Matt just keeps a low profile and doesn't get caught up with flashy "verified" tags and just gets straight to the point. It does mean many don't know who he is and how long he's been around which leads to him being questioned (like who is this guy and why should I believe him).
So why is this guy being used as an authority when people can't even remember basic details about him?
Is that...good?
Okay cool.Would be great, imo. A 10TF GPU coupled with Zen would be a nice generational leap.
Woah, so komachi expects that the final processing speed to be much higher than 1ghz then? Closer to 2ghz would be crazy good for the ps5.
Woah, so komachi expects that the final processing speed to be much higher than 1ghz then? Closer to 2ghz would be crazy good for the ps5.
I assumed that was for desktop solutions. Anyone else reading it that way?
I am predicting 8.2 tflops. Enough for native 4k according to Cerny and ps5 will be designed as a 4k machine. You don't need more.Would be great, imo. A 10TF GPU coupled with Zen would be a nice generational leap.
Was just about to post this.
Woah, so komachi expects that the final processing speed to be much higher than 1ghz then? Closer to 2ghz would be crazy good for the ps5.
Well but weren't the rumors they posted said the ps5 uses Navi 10 lite.That's for PC Navi cards,don't expect anything like that in console box.
He is way too optimistic i think but we'll see.
Well but weren't the rumors they posted said the ps5 uses Navi 10 lite.
How much performance can we expect from, say 1.5 ghz?
Well but weren't the rumors they posted said the ps5 uses Navi 10 lite.
How much performance can we expect from, say 1.5 ghz?
Well but weren't the rumors they posted said the ps5 uses Navi 10 lite.
How much performance can we expect from, say 1.5 ghz?
And maybe you are being too pessimistic?That's for PC Navi cards,don't expect anything like that in console box.
He is way too optimistic i think but we'll see.
The irony of this post is that if you were following the discussion on that B3D diagram, M3rcy, you'd have seen how people acknowledged it was a joke post..... unless you think "Cake" will be an integral part of the PS5's system architecture? lol
CAKE[edit]
The workhorse mechanism that interfaces between the SDF and the various SerDes that link both multiple dies together and multiple chips together is the CAKE. The Coherent AMD socKet Extender(CAKE) module encodes local SDF requests onto 128-bit serialized packets each cycle and ships them over any SerDes interface. Responses are also decoded by the CAKE back to the SDF. As with everything else that is attached to the SDF, the CAKEs operate at DRAM's MEMCLK frequency in order to eliminate clock-domain crossing latency.
What about PS3, that would be a megaton announcement.i am looking it up now, it is most likely from the old forum as he only had one post in the first next gen thread.
Update: i am still looking but he has been heavily teasing the PS5 having full PS4 compatibility if anyone is still afraid of that.
nothing about a PS3 backward compatibility.
well most rumors talked about how the previous GPUs being disappointing because of the shifted focus to Navi, so i still hold hope it could surprise.Well,it's not exactly easy to be optimistic about AMD GPU products in the last few years.