Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
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I'm Team-10-TFLOPs. Not less for either console.
Mix of RDNA1 and RDNA2 features.
20, 22 or 24 GB RAM (total)
16, 18 or 20 GB for games.
4GB for OS and apps, in any case.
$499 USD - November 2020.
Mix of RDNA1 and RDNA2 features.
20, 22 or 24 GB RAM (total)
16, 18 or 20 GB for games.
4GB for OS and apps, in any case.
$499 USD - November 2020.
So equivalence wise, a 10 teraflop RDNA GPU would be the equivalent to what exactly? In terms in Nvidia cards.
A 2070? Better? Worse?
A 2070? Better? Worse?
Awesome, even more reason to join the double digit TF camp.
You mean, lack of some RDNA2 features? Because I doubt that RDNA1 have something which won't be in RDNA2.
It's also a bit hard to imagine what would be lacking from console RDNA - it's more likely that consoles will get the same features but won't get the same amount of h/w for said features (as an example: PC RDNA2 might get tensors while console won't - but the features will be similar).
Its very hard to compare Navi tflops with nvidia tflops because for some reason nvidia uses base clocks to calculate their official tflops. My rtx 2080 is supposedly an 8.9 tflops card but they used the 1.5 ghz clock speed to get that number. The gpu is actually at 1.95 ghz during games, sometimes going up to 2.05 ghz. That's an 11+ tflops card.
Actually that is exactly right and it did say the AMD chip (I assume meaning the APU/SoC) includes this custom 3D unit that has 'significant amounts of hardware horsepower'. It sounds more than just the next-gen version of TrueAudio?
You'll be fine because console CPUs will be clocked lower.
Last time I checked MT adds ~20% to the performance, but the clock differential will more than offset that.
We don't have a good metric for that yet because for the first time games will be optimized for 8c/16t
I think most of Intel CPUs will suffer next-gen and AMD CPUs will shiny
Ray tracing in fighting games would be sweet, although it probably will be limited to occlusion and reflection so it keeps at 60 fps.
I can see that being possible.
I can see that being possible.
It doesn't matter, if games go fully multithreaded up to 8C/16T on a 3.2GHz Zen 2, his Intel 9700K will more than match that because of a higher clock speed.
Yeah, but it runs at boost usually which is higher.
Also, the rumors about Flute indicate a lack of cache vs. original Zen 2, which can degrade performance even more.
Just imagine what will Yoko Taro do with such sensor! Infinite potential! :D
Hopefully on par with a GTX 1080 Ti or an RTX 2070 Super.
Yeah, that's basically what I meant.
PS5 and Scarlett will be RDNA2 for the most part.
Nope, you'll be fine. Developers will have to change the way they code to leverage SMT in consoles. On current PC games, SMT hurts performance more than it helps. You have a perfect gaming CPU that should serve you 3-4 years at least.
I..... I think that would be awesome. I want the background to be dynamically lit when you catch the 🔥 shoryuken.
PC does too essentially. Everyone forgets the PC runs full Windows in the background.
How many CUs is that?
Avarage clocks during gameplay should be taken into account and not some false numbers on paper ;)
Oh not at all, we know plenty already about the CPU, GPU and the SSD to know that the machines will be excellent indeed! Both from official sources and from very credible ones
You can choose to believe it or not, but that won't change what the machines are
Regarding the RAM I have plenty of confidence that it will be enough. They won't both fuck the RAM up, and we know both machines are very close regarding the specs
Can't wait for that lil' fella to go inside the Scarlett power supply.
24CU... thats AMDs 5500 GPU.
And that's theory strange chip naming thing again. Gues they just expect consumers to all them 5xxx GPUs instead.
Navi 10 has 40CU, Navi 14 has 24 CU... crazy.
Here, All the context you need
Its a 5.2TF 1080p GPU (aka RX5500)
with this gen we saw a lot of the rendering and calculation processes move from the CPU to the GPU (like GPU accelerated particles) because of the disproportionate performance increase of the GPU, with the next gen, outside of those effects going back to CPU calculations, will we see more calculations that are often done on the GPU being done on the CPU instead? anyway all this means that the GPU will actually have an even bigger performance to work with (at the expense of CPU performance, but we are getting a 5~7x jump on that front anyway), so we might get an even better GPU performance than the TF number suggests after the RDNA conversion.
That would be hysterical if true and ps5 went with a 44-60 cu gpu. My iPhone memory couldn't take all the Antonio Banderas gifs this site would produce. It would explode in my hands.
It's actually between a 2070 & 2070 super. Closer to the 2070 than the Super on average though.
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Grafikkarten-Rangliste 2024: GPUs im Vergleich
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They could use a small arm processor for that
FreeBSD already supports arm as well as Microsoft on a raspi, as well as the new windows 10x.
at the context of this thread, comparing to NVidia cards is pretty useless anyway; as both the next gen consoles, and both the currnet gen consoles use only AMD's hardware, so it doesnt really matter in getting the generational leap.It's actually between a 2070 & 2070 super. Closer to the 2070 than the Super on average though.
AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT Review
The AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT is based on AMD's all-new Navi 10 GPU featuring the RDNA architecture. We thoroughly test the card's gaming performance and look at power, heat, noise, overclocking, and clock frequency stability, too, sometimes with surprising results.www.techpowerup.com
Grafikkarten-Rangliste 2024: GPUs im Vergleich
Welche Grafikkarte kaufen? Für den März gibt es Empfehlungen mit Nvidia GeForce RTX 4000, AMD Radeon RX 7000 und Intel Arc.
now i see it all, MS have decided to follow the switch hybrid model, and made the power supply into its own portable console! you want to play in portable, you just take the power supply out and you can play on the go, the power supply being the battery too. and when you connect it to the scarlett "dock" you unlock the full anaconda perofrmance with a 48CU GPU ;p
y'know what, I'm not even gonna lie — if you give me that in a GG Xrd-style engine then I'm in.
I wonder if Kleegamefan got to experience any of sony's new 360 reality audio? One of the features nobody is talking about that im hyped about.
xCloud effectively makes every portable device a portable Xbox
My 9700k that I have undervolted turbos to 4.6Ghz anytime I'm in game. I've only lowered the voltage and have not touched the clocks.
They could use an ARM to run streaming apps and certain background tasks (stuff like voice chat, music streaming) if it has a good way of getting video into the system's framebuffer, but I'm not sure if it'd be worth the trouble. It'd basically be building a PSVR breakout box into the system with most of the costs involved (high-end ARM, memory, HDMI transceiver or high-speed memory interface, etc), I feel like they'd be better off putting the money towards a bit faster CPU and/or memory.
The actual OS kernel and hypervisor obviously has to run on the same CPU as the games as it's how the games talk to the hardware, but I don't know if that even gets run on a reserved core normally. Iirc the PS3 used the reserved SPU pretty much just for decryption, not that it had much of an OS to run in the background.
I'm worried about the speed of unified memory and its synergy with superfast SSD storage.
Several games have stuttering issues on PC that I have long suspected are caused by latencies exchanging data from system RAM and VRAM.
So with memories getting even faster, with even lower latencies, with storage that is supposedly even faster than PC solutions, is storage and memory latency (especially the latency caused by separate memory pools) going to be an even bigger problem with PC ports going forward?
Several games have stuttering issues on PC that I have long suspected are caused by latencies exchanging data from system RAM and VRAM.
So with memories getting even faster, with even lower latencies, with storage that is supposedly even faster than PC solutions, is storage and memory latency (especially the latency caused by separate memory pools) going to be an even bigger problem with PC ports going forward?
luckily, nvme has dma!
but the upshot is if they have a codepatth for nvme storage now that consoles require it pc will not have a huge disadvantage
What if that game that user was discussing was beyond good and evil 2, going by there comments about the scale of the open world being beyond anything we've ever seen
Are you talking about Klee? He has said it is a brand new IP.
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