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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
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APUs gives the highest performance per watt out of all solutions since you don't have to power the bus between discrete CPUs and GPUs. You also don't have to spend budget on two heatsinks.
A large APU is the best you can ask for.
A large APU is the best you can ask for.
Yesssss. All the insane cooling gives me hope this isn't just a beast, or a monster, but a KAIJU
I wonder if devs have scarlett dev kits, surprised we haven't seen one yet, MS stuff always leaks.
All not true! Confidential Information so please do not post it online. I know for a fact that it is only one APU but it is the whole size of the dev kit and therefore it needs multiple cooling solutions. :-)
One thing to keep in mind here particularly if the actual hardware being used is super close per the rumors is that Richard from Digital Foundry mentioned during that EGX 2019 talk posted yesterday that paper TF specs alone definitely do not explain how the Xbox One X can get 4 times the pixel count of base PS4 (6 TF versus 1.84 TF) and 2 times the pixel count of PS4 Pro in many games (6 TF versus 4.2 TF). Heck, Cerny himself said that he thought 8TF was necessary for 4K and we got native 4K on Red Dead Redemption 2 on the X. So we truly don't know much at all about eventual real world game performance a year out considering that both companies may be doing things in their architecture with cache, latency, draw call efficiency (the ultimate foundation of any graphics pipeline) and so forth. That is why consoles are more interesting than "off the shelf" PC parts.
Note that I do not believe that there is some crazy magic that will suddenly enable one or the other to have a huge performance advantage if the hardware is truly so close, just that eventual relative performance to each other cannot be credibly assessed a year out for the reasons I cited and final driver tweaks and everything else that can come (you see updated Nividia and AMD drivers all the time right when new GPUs launch that improve performance).
Note that I do not believe that there is some crazy magic that will suddenly enable one or the other to have a huge performance advantage if the hardware is truly so close, just that eventual relative performance to each other cannot be credibly assessed a year out for the reasons I cited and final driver tweaks and everything else that can come (you see updated Nividia and AMD drivers all the time right when new GPUs launch that improve performance).
On a serious note, after reading about the Analogue Pocket I was asking myself if Sony could use Field Programmable Gate Array (FPGA) to emulate PS1, PS2 and even PS3?
Is this technically possible or are the cpu/gpu in the Playstation to advance? Would the addition of a FPGA be too expensive?
Is this technically possible or are the cpu/gpu in the Playstation to advance? Would the addition of a FPGA be too expensive?
Never forget the grandma who buy video games at Christmas. You will have PS4 exclusives put in PS5 box. With that, you artificially increase your lineup.
Yeah, his comment is at the 05:38:50 mark of the video here https://m.twitch.tv/videos/496199730?t=5h24m20s. Note that he makes the comparison of Red Dead Redemption 2 putting out 4 times the pixel count of base PS4 not fully adding up based on just TF specs, so my additional comment about 2 times the pixel count of PS4 Pro in many games is extrapolation based on previous times that they have made those same observations during Digital Foundry video comparisons and such. It will be interesting to see what Cyberpunk 2077 is actually going to run at on Xbox One X and PS4 Pro, the Xbox store does list it at 4K currently. I will probably wait to play that game for the first time on Xbox Scarlett next generation hardware though.
I'll be doing the same. I'm pretty much done with AAA releases the rest of this gen.
I'm more in a small game mood anyway.
Yep, it seems that way for sure. I do find it interesting that we don't have squat for Scarlett leaks. Maybe Microsoft threatened legal beheading for any leaks.
Also they simulating it using 36cu 1800mhz 8.2tf... still they got almost 2x gpu power vs xox. Also they explain why we shouldn't be dissapointed with tf numbers. To be honest if it is 8.2 I would be dissapointed a little but probalby because I spent too much time reading this topic haha Edit: I make mistake, they simulated both also using 40cu 1800mhz 9.2tf, uff ;d
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Yep, which they estimated would be close to that Navi 5700 9.2 TF type target in terms of Navi Flops equivalence as has been discussed on here, i.e. we aren't getting 12 TF Navi consoles :)
If not Klee leak I would be almost certain that ps5 is 9.2tf
Thank God Klee told us both Xbox and PS5 are above 10. There is nothing to smile about.
His comments clearly indicated that supposedly they were both double digit, but also that people wouldn't be blown away by the specs either. So it sounds like they have at least shared with devs that they are intended to be above 10 and not by very much, which isn't a huge difference from 9.2 in the big picture either I guess.
I would say that if they are 10 and more that 7+ node was used.
That doesn't mean anything. I don't see why we need to speculate on this when the guy has flatly denied having any real info on the GPU and all of DF's next gen talk is based solely on the Gonzalo leak and official statements from Sony/MS.
It is a huge difference when this thing is going to be out for 7 years. We need every last bit we can get.
That 50\50 since we went over that and he never said he talk about PS5 with Mark.
Cerny design goals have always been the same since PS4 if that was what he talking about.
Hey, I want every last bit of power there too, just doesn't look like anything is 11+ here though.
He said in df ps5 rt video that Cerny told him that ps5 soc will be "smart design" or something like that
Anyone expecting 11 plus is out the realm of sensibility. 10.7 aligns with the most optimistic numbers we have. 9.2 with the most pessimistic.
Maybe the devkit isn't anywhere near final and is running discrete CPU and GPU - i.e. not final silicon - and doing so with the closest equivalents, the GPU being 5700XT clocked at 2GHz+ to get to 10TF+. That would require some beefy cooling.
Final hardware then goes a bit wider and slower - anything from 44CUs @ 1.8GHz to 52CUs @1.6GHz to get the in same kinda sorta envelope.
Final hardware then goes a bit wider and slower - anything from 44CUs @ 1.8GHz to 52CUs @1.6GHz to get the in same kinda sorta envelope.
9.2 most pessimistic ? I would say rx5700 performance wouldn't be tragic and thats aroud 7.8tf navi
"Some people not being impressed with the specs" is a statement based on the mid-gen consoles skewing perceptions of the next gen leap and is not a hint at 8-9TF as folks always seem to take it as. 2x more powerful than Xbox One X does indeed sound bad when people are accustomed to hearing next gen consoles are 7-8x more powerful than the previous console.
Would be funny if Sony sent different developers the devkit but with the company logo in different positions. Person at the company think they're hiding who they are, Sony know exactly what developer based in what area of the console is blacked out ;p
jason said that both are targeting to surpass stadia's 10.7TF in raw TF number iirc.
I feel u r way too invested in Xbox being stronger that when we finally see ps5 is indeed stronger you will find stuff (crazy magic that u say it doesn't exist now ). Cause when mind doesn't accept something it will create alternative realities .Every post you make reads the same way lol . Give it a rest maybe and wait and see what happens ?
9 rdna tflops is more than vega56 10.7 tflops so he would be right.
no, in RAW TFs, as in the actual number regardless of architecture, at least, that is what his post read like to me based on the wording.
Come on, I am just talking logical facts here is all on next gen "speculation" thread. I have no idea which one will ultimately have any small edge or not in real world game performance, and nobody else does either at this point. I suppose it is so much better for those who act as if PS5 has a legitimate power advantage based on Klee saying that a 3rd party developer friend said at E3 that there was a very slight PS5 advantage and also that they were essentially equal in performance?
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