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I fully expect Sony to be holding back some of their cards, that is why we have no real spec info from them, but personally I would bet on MS to win the power war, it means more to them, Sony can sell 100 million while being weaker, MS can't.
Gonzalo going from 1.8 to 2.0 ghz is proof that Sony too is trying to increase clocks. It's not just MS.
Also, this was in the PS5 reveal article.
Exclusive: What to Expect From Sony's Next-Gen PlayStation
Don't expect it anytime in 2019, but the next PlayStation console is well on its way—and it's packing ray-tracing support and a loadtime-killing solid-state hard drive.
I wouldnt be surprised if the Oberon 2.0 ghz went into the new devkits we see in those leaked pics.
Yes, both can change things. We will see how it turns out, I don't see anyone having a real edge over the other.
Neither in specs, nor in playing 4d chess.
Oberon, Ariel, Prospero.... all celestial objects, orbiting Uranus hmm?
Laugh all you want but everything he says isn't verified information and I don't think he wants to be held to that standard which is fair to him.
PS1 on PS3 was pure software.
edit: Supposedly PS1 on some (all?) PS2 Slims was at least partially software also (still using the PS2 GPU for drawing), which is why they had more compatibility problems with PS1 games. I guess it's plausible since the PSP ran PS1 games halfway decently on a very similar CPU.
I'm still not sure about PSP on Vita, a Sony executive mentioned at one point well after launch that they added some MIPS instructions to the Vita's CPU to make BC easier.
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Not trying to knock you, senjutsusage , but I remember last gen discussions you thought the Xbox eSRAM was special sauce, and that there would be no way Sony would be more powerful
There's so much we don't know about Sony's plans at this point, but we pretty much have a pretty good baseline for Series X specs already. Yes, they could change slightly, but it's highly doubtful they will by a lot.
Meanwhile almost nothing is known about Sony's target specs, and they have a history of being less traditional (and more surprising) than Microsoft when it comes to their consoles designs.
I don't see why the same company that shocked us with 8GB GDDR5 may have some SSD enhancements that give it an edge in that area, you seem to think it's unimaginable
There's so much we don't know about Sony's plans at this point, but we pretty much have a pretty good baseline for Series X specs already. Yes, they could change slightly, but it's highly doubtful they will by a lot.
Meanwhile almost nothing is known about Sony's target specs, and they have a history of being less traditional (and more surprising) than Microsoft when it comes to their consoles designs.
I don't see why the same company that shocked us with 8GB GDDR5 may have some SSD enhancements that give it an edge in that area, you seem to think it's unimaginable
If we go with the rumors then it sound like Xbox will be powerful and fast, and PS5 a bit more powerful and faster. Anyways, both will be awesome consoles :)
Fixed that for you
could this also point to a possible manufacturing difference, the rumored 7nm+ (or EUV? i'm sure i'm confusing them here) allowing SX to potentially have up to 64 CU?
Companies Heads are not going to think that way .
Both of them would want it since it's a good marketing point among other things .
Both will try and get it who ever wins just made the better hardware in that aspect.
yes, at least to anyone outside geoff and any ms employees. shows like this have a billion people from a ton of industries and jobs working, so they had to not let stuff leak.
its actually 2 pros tapped together, my trusted source is an exlurker ofcourse
Wait, is he the same SenjutsuSage from GAF/N4G days? I knew his name sounded familiar! I'm going to uh, have to read his comments with a bit more scrutiny now.
If Xsx is on 7nm+, and PS5 is not then PS5 needs to be $399.
I doubt that either is on 7nm+ since verified insiders said they're close in power.
Yeah, I was reading the tweet about this.
Genius move by MS, Phil that paid off IMO. They gambled right.
I know most of us assumed industry folks in the audience already knew. I think it's a good chance Sony didn't know.
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It was a huge "Surprise" for Sony, I bet they didn't know MS was developing a console for 2020 🤣
7nm+ and 7nm are 'close' in terms of power efficiency/transistor density/potential performance improvement... like 10-20% depending on which metric you pick. It isn't a drastic difference. I'm not sure what the conclusion about price is based on either. 7nm+ would be preferable for whatever improvement it does offer, but it's not some night-and-day leap that renders other factors irrelevant for the performance or price of the end product.
By far the most tangible and relevant things to this discussion of next gen console raw power occurred on 12/12 at the Game Awards and after. Phil Spencer said "Our goal has always been to build the most powerful console we can, and I think we're there." He also added, "We like leading in power and performance, and I feel like we're going to be there again." And the Xbox Series X form factor is all about power and function over form per the design.
Xbox to me has clear pole position on this until outright proven otherwise by the full reveals themselves or a multiple sourced article from someone like Jason at Kotaku or Digital Foundry that reveals the specs and isn't refuted by either Microsoft or Sony within 24 hours. Jason coming on here today to make sure that people understood that he never actually said the PS5 was more powerful than the Xbox Series X was interesting in this regard too.
Xbox to me has clear pole position on this until outright proven otherwise by the full reveals themselves or a multiple sourced article from someone like Jason at Kotaku or Digital Foundry that reveals the specs and isn't refuted by either Microsoft or Sony within 24 hours. Jason coming on here today to make sure that people understood that he never actually said the PS5 was more powerful than the Xbox Series X was interesting in this regard too.
Well of course not but there was this curious part of the Wired article that I would like more details about:
Wired said:
Can't remember who/where said it (sorry if you read this) but they did suggest something along the lines of a third butterfly "wing" making 3 20CU sections. PS4, Pro and PS5. 60CU with 2CUs deactivated per section for 54CUs total.
No idea if that makes much sense but thought it was interesting.
Dude believe me everybody that have read your posts know EXACTLY what you believe so don't worry about it the X series X will be a great device.
How many times are you going to do this?
Did you forgot to read the rest?
Didnt you post tweet about to stop concole warring, yet, every time you coment is the same fucking thing?
I posted my own logical reading of things based on what has actually happened in public, nothing more. Sony may still end up up on top power wise if either of those two things happen, and I won't pretend that there is some super secret under the hood magic to overcome it if that is revealed at that point.
I didn't post console warrior stuff at all, rather my read on why it is logical to assume Xbox is going to edge out the power until shown otherwise in one of those two ways (may still happen). Others are free to post Cerny in bathtubs and talk about epic Sony first party output and everything else under the sun in this thread, but somehow my analysis of open facts is console warring, sure.
Ugh, that misterxmedia guy but this is also interesting:
"I don't want to answer much about the features Ariel has, but I tell you that you misunderstand the meaning of LITE. LITE refers to iGPU. That's all."
The famous "lite"! And Komachi repeats,in answer to him, that this is a Sony thing.
cc: anexanhume
I feel we should do this after Sony event.
If it like last gen one there will game games , specs and OS stuff .
Which will be better to talk about in just a Sony thread or MS one when they do.
He is really tying his best to make it seem like PS5 is a older gen.
Out all the people to get into debate with he chose misterx lol.
Then post thoes facts.
You pick a line from Jason and forget to read the resf, how is that a fact?
That is very likely what's going to happen.
The funniest thing about this thread, or should I say series of threads, is that after years of speculation and arguing, and tens of thousands of posts, the most likely outcome when both of these consoles launch is that they're very comparable in terms of specs. Even if one has a small advantage it will essentially be meaningless in most games. So this thread is pretty much all for nothing. lol
Definitely never said no way Sony would be more powerful. I said esram would be very useful utilized correctly, and I wasn't wrong. I said Xbox One wouldn't be nearly as weak as many thought, and that was proven imo, at launch looking at Ryse. There were just early esram challenges. I also said, despite numerous gaf insiders saying otherwise, that the rumored downclock on Xbox one GPU was 100% incorrect and I verified through mods as much as I could safely without getting anyone in trouble.
I don't doubt they could have an SSD advantage, I just don't believe it will be big enough to make the difference some believe because of what I believe Xbox will have. Happy to be wrong since I'll own a PS5 also, just as I own a ps4 and PS4 pro. Although my og PS4 came late and by an accidental gift by a friend thinking I didn't have one cause I always talk about Xbox.
yeah, there's a few things I really want to ask Komachi too, but tbh, I think he's already having it hard answering fanboys from both sides.
I won't go back and forth any more, other than the public facts on record now are (1) the head of Xbox saying that he values leading in power and feels that they will get there after revealing their next gen console for the first time and (2) the console form factor clearly going for performance and function first. The observation about Jason making note of that was nothing more than giving context that clearly no sources are feeding him information after the Xbox reveal to try and refute the current situation. Full reveals or a multiple sourced story that isn't refuted by either side will of course confirm things one way or another.
he also really, REALLY hates Klee. One of the few that gave me a headache reading... but his conversations with Redgamingtech and Komachi reveals a lot of things.
This was linked on B3D in regards to HBM pricing.
semiengineering.com
Some at B3D think that Sony could get a 4x2 stack for <$60 and fill the rest with ddr4.
What’s Next For High Bandwidth Memory
Different approaches for breaking down the memory wall.
semiengineering.com
Some at B3D think that Sony could get a 4x2 stack for <$60 and fill the rest with ddr4.
It's probably still possible with Xbox Series X, with Sony we dont know.
Same one who never trolled anything PlayStation ever, just supported Xbox from what I felt was unfair bias. Same one trolled to hell and back when I was saying contrary to others stating otherwise that there was no Xbox one GPU downclock.
I also have no idea what n4g is.
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