I mean what difference are some saying ?
Most i see people saying better streaming or loading for 3rd parties which won't be huge .
It's first parties people say might show the difference .
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I mean what difference are some saying ?
Most i see people saying better streaming or loading for 3rd parties which won't be huge .
It's first parties people say might show the difference .
It kinda makes sense to me that PS5 is less powerful if they are going for the cheaper console
SeX is huge and if its 12TF RDNA I can see it costing like 500-600$. Which makes sense for MS when they got cheaper Lockhart
SeX is huge and if its 12TF RDNA I can see it costing like 500-600$. Which makes sense for MS when they got cheaper Lockhart
I don't know in what parallel universe you live, but late generation games have proven more than a time how the Xbox hardware is worst engineering compared the PS4 just looking to the multiplat state and I doubt it's because anyone can't push beyond the magical esram. DF has tons of videos about it. Esram was a waste of precious space for other better hardware specs and the xbone X hardware seems point out that quite brutally.
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I would love it, but I need more facts to say yes on the PS5. There's really none yet.
Talking specifically about your english.
One is probably, the other is don't know.
probably = don't know :p
If you want to believe Phil you are free to do so but telling people that it is the most important thing to this discussion is very much your opinion and a large number of people her probably think otherwise.
Once again if you don't want to believe what we are currently discussing or have any fair outside of Phil on what our "insiders" are providing I don't see why you are hanging around this thread since you have made it obvious with your posts nothing can convince you that Xbox is weaker.
Maybe not, but a 12Tflop Navi wouldn't be far off. Within 10-15% of it perhaps, if you scaled everything linearly with compute at least - something like a 2080 Super rather than a 2080Ti. That's pretty great anyway, IMO.
I mean this is a reasonable stance and all but just to pick this statement apart a bit:
"Our goal has always been to build the most powerful console we can, and I think we're there."
we all have goals. Do you think Cerny's goal isnt to have the most powerful console HE can produce?
P.S My bday is coming up and my goal is to have a threesome on that day. Sadly, my wife's goal is to prevent that from happening.
Sorry, it's 5am here! :D
Still 12 teraflops is a huge number, but we havent really seen any real world proof that it can hit 2080ti numbers. Think saying it's probable for now is the right thing to do, even if I really feel it can.
Yes, it's a thread for speculation. It is not a thread to generate your own rumors though.
It's pretty black and white. You either have accurate, credible information to share - or you don't.
If it's the former, please reach out to the mods and at least get them to verify the singular piece of information you believe you have. Ideally with some more detail than the vague description you've offered so far.
If it's the latter, please stop using it as some kind of counter to Klees information. He is verified, you are not.
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So you basically said Xbox One wasn't as weak as the GPU specs suggested, using Ryse as proof, yet third party games all ran worse and was consistent with the difference in power...
The eSRAM was just a sure fire way of getting to 8GB, there was no secret performance sauce to it.
You also say that an SSD with significantly more theoretical bandwidth may not be a big deal?
My opinion is that it could be just as big of a deal as the 8GB of GDDR5 announcement was...but then again you think the 2GB/s states figure by Windows Central is wrong...is this based on an actual source or just a hunch?
Reading this thread it seem some people think Sony don't want the best just because they sell loads of system .
It's crazy thinking , they both want the best they can get , they both want all the marketing points they can get .
To think otherwise is silly.
As somebody that is system agnostic/owning everything. Perhaps I see things where they don't exist. Having two predominantly sony devs come out talking about how PS is better than the xbox - 1 talking about art direction despite not having the power and the other developers that make good games and MS hasn't - or will need time and resources to help branch the MS teams...
The timing of both of those seems odd and to seem to come out of nowhere. I wonder if more specs are being talked about behind the scenes and we're about to get some juicy leaks either way?
The timing of both of those seems odd and to seem to come out of nowhere. I wonder if more specs are being talked about behind the scenes and we're about to get some juicy leaks either way?
Well, thanks for the vote of confidence, but that's certainly not the case.
We already knew LITE meant APU.
Butterfly or die.
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The problem with this viewpoint is that you're almost entirely relying on PR statements or controlled leaks/info dumps. They're certainly helpful, but of course Microsoft or Sony will spruik their product as the best next gen console.
If you're only willing to take the big information dumps, or what is essentially public knowledge - as gospel, then I don't understand why you're in this thread essentially posting Xbox related nonsense. E.g. This post:
I think that endurance prevents that.
You are wild...lol.
lol
Once again....Matt to the rescue.
These threads have been wild, lol.
Nice find bro.This was linked on B3D in regards to HBM pricing.
What’s Next For High Bandwidth Memory
Different approaches for breaking down the memory wall.semiengineering.com
Some at B3D think that Sony could get a 4x2 stack for <$60 and fill the rest with ddr4.
I think a 2080Ti is another 20-25% on top of a 2080 Super. Generally GPUs almost never scale linearly with compute at the high end, escpecially not if you go wide. The 2080Ti even shows this.
Was such an odd thing to say when Jason posts in here too. And Tom Warren.
I get being blinded by the light but god damn.
Do you think Sony will show the actual console in February? Or they'll keep it under wraps until E3, like in 2013?
Not you...the post that said only Matt is an insider, lol.
I'm in the middle of editing posts on a phone, I might not be getting my thoughts across clearly.
oh yeah that :)
I just ignore most of it, because you look at more than half of their posts here and it's usually about how Klee is wrong, and that 'this one' is to be trusted, or that this console must suck, and 'this one' is better.
At least it's not as bad as twitter.
This could potentially be a wrinkly in predicting PS5. The recent report of HBM2 being 60 dollars for 8GB could also explain the smaller APU. 🤔
I suppose you'll get different numbers depending on what benchmarks you look at. On that end, in the comparison I was making, I looked at Digital Foundry's GPU ladder, and scaled the 5700XT number up linearly to 12Tflop. In their rating there isn't quite so big a difference between a Super and a Ti (more like 17% than 25%). Of course that's one set of benches, and one set of assumptions.
GDDR6 won't scale in terms of cost and price as much as the potential of HBM. HBM has the potential to change the game completely but the current market price is eye gouging
The AMD Flute benchmark points towards PS5 using 16GB of GDDR6
It shows the ram in 16 1GB modules though that could hint at it being HBM, but I would think it was more because it cant ascertain what type of RAM it is, than anything else.
That's actually the way I'm looking at it. We had that stupidly specific leak that mentioned Samsung having an excess amount of HBM chips, the rumor of the PS5 APU being smaller, and Sony testing out 2 ghz on the PS5. HBM makes the high frequency and smaller APU a sensible outcome.
DukeBlueBall mentioned a potential scenario using 3 shader engines.
54 CU (6 Disabled), 2ghz, and HBM 2 Pool. 🎱
I wish, but it really is expensive.
Here's the picture of the ram from the benchmark for reference.
Can the RAM type be determined by the latency? Latency on HBM should be lower than GDDR6 right?I wish, but it really is expensive.
Here's the picture of the ram from the benchmark for reference.
I don't know if this theory has been thought up by others in this thread, but could the Xbox One SAD have been meant as a straight up one-to-one trial balloon for Lockheart? Just to gauge the market's reaction... I mean - the "weaker" disc-less alternative with a price tag of $249. That sure sounds close to what I'm thinking of, when I try to imagine Lockhart
Think everything is pointing it towards GDDR6, only this particular thing.
Yeah it's so damn amazing they managed to keep things under wraps. The XSX reveal was a great surprise and it's specs are the cherry on top. I also really like the design, it would actually fit on my desk much better than the horizontal setup of my ps4.
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Guys the dreaming is getting high and high now we already on 2080 ti level...
Not only have Sony not referred to RAM in any way, AFAIK no insider has said what type of RAM PS5 has either?
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